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Dick Eastman Destroys Another Pentagon Disinfo Campaign was Re: Eastman's guide to exposing the 9-11 mass-murder frameup to justify world-domination to an otherwise isolationist American public
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Guh?
2003-06-22 18:12:02 UTC
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Sarah Roberts responds -- her "shock-wave theory" of where the
round hole in the brick C-ring wall came from -- with some friendly
inquiring and constructive comments
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And for the record, my opinions on the holes in A-E Drive have
<snip>
Stjarna
I have seen references in newspapers, mass-circulation paperbacks
and mainstream magazines showing the hole and saying in the caption
that an Boeing 757 engine made the hole.
<snip of Eastman' Preposterous B/S>
<Snip of Eastman's B/S References>
Excellent work. The disinfo people are scared to touch this one. As
an aside, did you see Andy Carol cling tenaciously to the story about
the engine landing in a parking lot?
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If you think Eastman's psychotic musing/rambling on is excellent work,
how do you rate the work represented by
http://www.asce.org/pressroom/news/display_press.cfm?uid=1282
I'd rate that a white-washing. You people cling to that report. Our eyes
tell us differently about what happened.
Ralph Nesbitt
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oldickeastman
2003-06-24 05:05:51 UTC
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"Arabs? We no got to show you no stinkin Arabs!"

Fake autopsy forgets to add the Arabs. Gets the passenger count
wrong.

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STILL No Arabs On Flight 77
By Thomas R. Olmsted, MD
6-23-3


I am an ex-Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice
in New Orleans, a Christian and home school dad. It troubled me that
we rushed to war on the flimsiest of evidence. I considered various
ways to provide a smoking gun as to who perpetrated Sept 11th.

Astute observers noticed right away that there were no Arabic sounding
names on any of the flight manifests of the planes that ìcrashedî Sept
11. A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an
autopsy by a pathologist is.

I undertook by FOIA request, to obtain that autopsy list of the people
on Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon. You are invited to view it
below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on the list. In my opinion, the
monsters who planned this crime made a mistake by not including Arabic
names on the original list to make the ruse seem more believable.

When airline disasters occur, airlines will routinely provide a
manifest list for anxious families. You may have noticed that even
before Sep 11th, airlines were pretty meticulous about getting an
accurate headcount before takeoff. It seems very unlikely to me that
FIVE Arabs sneaked onto a flight with weapons.

This is the list provided by American of the 56 passengers:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html

On September 27th, the FBI published photos of the ìhijackersî of
Flight 77:

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa77/77.htm

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology
(AFIP), does a miraculous job and identified nearly all the bodies on
November 16th 2001. file:///C:/My%20Documents/AFIP%20ID's%20184%20of%20189.htm

The AFIP suggest these numbers:189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon
and 64 were ìpassengersî on the plane. The AA list only had 56 and the
list just obtained has 58. They did not explain how they were able to
tell ìvictimsî bodies from ìhijackerî bodies. In fact, from the
beginning NO explanation has been given for the extra five suggested
in news reports except that the FBI showed us the pictures to make up
the difference, and that makes it so.

Now, being the trusting sort, I figured that the government would want
to quickly dispel any rumors so we could get on with the chore of
kicking Osama/Sadaamís butt (werenít these originally two different
people?). It seemed simple to me. . .produce the names of all the
bodies identified by the AFIP and compare it with the publicized list
of passengers. So, I sent a FOIA request to the AFIP and asked for an
expedited response. Fourteen months later, a few US soldiers dead,
many Iraqi civilians pushing up daisies, and I finally get the list.
Believe me that they werenít a bit happy to give it up, and I really
have no idea why they choose now to release it.

No Arabs wound up on the morgue slab. However, three ADDITIONAL people
not listed by American Airline sneaked in. I have seen no explanation
for these extras. I did give American the opportunity to ìreviseî
their original list, but they have not responded.

The new names are: Robert Ploger, Zandra Ploger, and Sandra Teague.
The AFIP claims that the only ìpassengerî body that they were not able
to identify is the toddler, Dana Falkenberg, whose parents and young
sister are on the list of those identified.

The satanic masterminds behind this caper may be feeling pretty smug
about the perfect crime, but they have left a raft of clues tying
these unfortunates together. Stay tuned for part two for a much closer
look of the cast of characters on this ill-fated flight.

Autopsy List Flight 77 (below)

lnamefname ambrosepaul betruyeneneh boothmary jane brownbernard
burlingamecharles calleysuzanne caswellwilliam charleboisdavid
clarksarah cottomasia debeuneurejames dickensrodney dillardeddie
drozchuck edwardsbarbara falkenbergcharles falkenbergzoe fergusonjames
flaggdarlene flaggwilson gabrielrichard grayian hallstanley
heidenbergermichelle jackbryan jacobysteven judgeann kellerchandler
kennedyyvonne khannorma kincaidkaren leedong lewisjennifer
lewiskenneth mayrenee menchacadora newtonchristopher olsonbarbara
ornedoruben penningerrobert plogerrobert plogerzandra raineslisa
reubentodd sammartinojohn simmonsdiane simmonsgeorge soppermari-rae
speismanrobert steuerlenorma taylorhilda taylorleonard teaguesandra
whittingtonleslie yamnickyjohn yanceyvicki yangshuyin zhengyuguag
Everyman
2003-07-10 12:11:00 UTC
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Post by oldickeastman
"Arabs? We no got to show you no stinkin Arabs!"
Fake autopsy forgets to add the Arabs. Gets the passenger count
wrong.
Oh well, if he's a Christian and a dad..
Bertie
I didn't like that either -- but you zeroed in on the "Christian"
part out all all that was posted here -- as if that in itself is
enough to descredit or dismiss --

Here, Bertie, this will clarify:

1. Editorial: THE DEARBORN INDEPENDENT, issue of 7 January 1922
2. Henry Ford Quoted
3. URLs for individual chapters of Fords book on this subject


Editorial: THE DEARBORN INDEPENDENT, issue of 7 January 1922
Candid Address to Jews on the Jewish Problem

This is a candid address to the Jews of the United States. Without
subterfuge, without flattery, wholly without fear of all that they may
threaten or can do, this attempt is made to set before them the Jewish
Question as their question, theirs to acknowledge, theirs to consider,
theirs to solve.
It is not a question of THE DEARBORN INDEPENDENT at all. This paper
has merely become the vehicle of unwelcome facts which have finally
thrust themselves up for final disposal in this country.

Damning this paper, compelling cheap city politicians to interfere
with its sale, indulging in ribald humor concerning it, will not
affect the facts at all. What THE DEARBORN INDEPENDENT says is true or
it is untrue. If true, it ought to be considered. If untrue, it ought
to be disproved. The present policy of Jewish leaders is to do
neither, but to indulge in antics which go a long way toward
illustrating what this paper has said.

What THE DEARVBORN INDEPENDENT says is true, and tens of thousands of
Jews know it is true.

No representative Jew has ever approached us with a denial of the
truth of what has been stated in this paper. Neither has any
unrepresentative Jew.
The chief objection made against the publication of the facts is
always stated in this form: "What you say is true. Certain Jews are
guilty of the things you charge. But why do you say 'Jew'? Why do you
not say Al Wood, Morris Gest, Louis Marshall, Samuel Untermyer, Edward
Lauterbach, Felix Warburg -- why not let it go with these men's names,
why say 'Jew'? When you say 'Jew,' it sounds as if you blamed all the
Jews."

This objection has been seriously and courteously made by a number of
Jews who have conferred with THE DEARBORN INDEPENDENT on this series
of articles, and has been as seriously and courteously considered.

What is the answer? First, that these men are Jews. Second, that being
Jews these men constitute a problem for the Jews themselves. Third, it
is time for some one to call attention to the necessity of cleaning up
on that problem. There has been too much mincing of words. There has
been too much concealment of names and relationship. The method which
the Jews were taking in this country with regard to concealment was
heading them swiftly toward the same conditions which have menaced
their race in Europe, and THE DEARBORN INDEPENDENT would count no
labor lost that would rouse the Jews to a sense of the responsibility
which rests on them to solve the Jewish Question in this country,
possibly the only country where it can be solved.

Let us be frank: if this paper had mentioned only the names of
individual Jews, never mentioning their race, and had exposed them as
isolated persons, it would have made no difference in the general
Jewish reaction, the cry would still have been that "the Jews were
being attacked"; whereas the other people of the country would have
been just as much in the dark regarding the close bonds which unite
all the groups of evil influences in this country. The purpose of this
series of articles is to let in the light -- to show the Jews
generally that the stench had become too great, and to show the rest
of the people where the stench arose.

The list of charges for the Jews of the United States to consider as
affecting the distinguished members of their race is very serious. And
the charges are true.

It is true that there is a distinct "Jewish idea" in business and
professional life which has eaten away the traditional principles of
honor on which Anglo-Saxon life was erected. Every Jew knows that,
every non-Jew knows it. Here and there a Jew in business or
professional life makes a breakaway from trickery, deception,
dishonesty, and exploitation of the gullible public, and achieves
success with honor, but that Jew also knows that the majority of his
brethren in the same line practice different methods.

It is true that behind the amazing degeneracy of the modern stage and
motion picture is a solid wall of Jewish ownership and control. This
ownership and control must bear the responsibility for the rapid and
dangerous deterioration which has come since such ownership and
control was achieved.

It is true that behind all the shoddy and make-believe and
adulteration in the staples of life is the Jewish idea of profits,
"making the ephah small and the shekel great," and that the initiators
of American business into these shady practices were Jewish. It is
idle to retort that apt pupils have been found among non-Jews; the
point is that before Jewish influence began to be felt in American
business, sound quality and a fair price were the rule. It is the
Jews' ceaseless boast that wherever they go they change business, but
not for the better.

It is true that beneath all the network of trivializing influences in
literature, art, politics, economics, fashion and sport, is Jewish
influence controlled by Jewish groups. Their Orientalism has served as
a subtle poison to dry up the sound serum of Anglo-Saxon morality on
which this country thrived in its formative years. Is it necessary to
specify? In every movement toward a lower standard, a looser
relationship, especially toward the overthrow of the old Christian
safeguards, do not Jewish names predominate?

These charges and many more have all been made in detail with evidence
submitted, and need not be repeated here. The present purpose is
simply to get the problem squarely before the Jews of the United
States.

These charges are true, they cannot be disproved, Jewish leaders have
not attempted to disprove them. Thousands of Jews have said that they
are true.
Then where is the obstacle to a settlement?

This question is best answered by three typical replies made by Jews
during the course of the present series.

1. "What you say is true, but you should not say it."

There is a principle, seldom expressed among the Jews, but always
acted on, that Jews should not have public attention called to them
except by themselves or their chosen spokesmen. This is unfortunate,
because any establishment of the Jews as an accepted and trusted part
of the general citizenry must include their being known as such. In
this country the Jew should not only welcome the widest knowledge
(unless he has something he fears to have known) but should himself
undertake the exposure of those things which will eventually bring a
shadow on the name of his race. The Jew has never done this. When
exposure could no longer be suppressed the Jewish attitude has always
been one of defense, regardless of the merits of the case. "The Jew
can do no wrong" is the principle acted upon. Never must a "Gentile"
charge be admitted, however true it may be. Never must a "Gentile"
reform be assisted, no matter how much needed.
Now, that principle may do for other countries, but not for the United
States. If the Jew is wise, he ought speedily to take warning that in
this country the old line of action will not succeed. If Jews continue
to show a disposition to defend the malefactors of their race against
the just expostulations of the rest of the people, they must not be
surprised if the public begins to view them as all one crowd -- an
inner nation set against the outer nation.

2. "What you say is true, but your conclusion is wrong: it is not for
the Jew to change to your standards, it is for you to change to the
Jew's standards."
This is the fighting view. It admits that there are two ideas in
conflict in the United States, what it unfairly terms the "Puritanic"
idea, opposed by what it calls the Jewish Universal idea.

This view would command respect if it represented a superior morality
in conflict with a lesser morality, if it represented a higher
civilization against a lower civilization. Will any Jew contend that
it does? Will any Jew deny that the influence of the Jewish idea in
this generation is to break down such morality as we had? Will any Jew
deny that the civilization of the United States before the advent of
the Jews thither was superior to the highest civilization ever
achieved by the Jews anywhere at any period of their history?
There are two ideas in conflict -- that is certain. The Jewish idea
has a tremendous infiltrating force and a serious degenerative power.
It is a powerfully disintegrating influence. It eats the substance out
of the civilization which it attacks, destroys its moral virility,
throws down its reverence, saps its respect for authority, casts a
shadow on every basic principle.

That is the way the Jewish idea works in American civilization. Moral
gravitation being, like physical gravitation, downward, it is not
difficult to seduce human nature to lower levels, but it is a massive
task to lift it to higher levels of morality and reverence and sober
justice. And this latter task, organized Jewish effort has never
attempted. The campaign in the United States is a campaign for the
breakdown of the ideas that now obtain, not a lifting of them to a
higher degree of nobility.

If it were an attempt to substitute the austerity of the Mosaic law --
the law given to Moses, not the ordinances decreed by Moses -- for the
half-hearted Christian idealism of the day, even that would be a task
in which all right-hearted men could join. But Moses condemns the
modern Jews more severely than anyone else could. They have rejected
the Mosaic law. They have built their international power upon the
exact opposite of the Mosaic law. Moses was given a law of human
society which would have saved civilization its greatest tragedies.
Moses has a social program, obedience to which for one day would
completely wreck the Jewish international power. Moses is their judge,
and when the Law is established Moses will be their destroyer.

Let the Jews think seriously what is this idea which they set up to
follow. Let them penetrate the mists and seek out where this idea
originated. Let them think forward and visualize the effect if this
idea should become regnant. It will not become regnant here; there are
safeguards here which the true Israelite will understand; but it is as
certain as day that the idea will in the end destroy, utterly destroy,
all who trust in it.

This much is gained, however, from the attitude we are now discussing:
we have gained clarity of understanding as to just what it is that is
in collision; it is two ideas, and one of them is the idea of
disruption, fostered by the false and delusive hope that disruption
will spare the disrupter.

3. "What you say is true, and we Jews could change it if we only
would. The trouble is, we don't want to seem to be driven to it. But I
don't see how otherwise we are to do it."

Many Jews will recognize this sentiment as their own, but they will be
readier to express it to a non-Jew than to a Jew. Why? Because
prophets must be prepared to suffer in Judah. "Well, if you insist on
playing Christ, you must expect to be crucified," said Lilienthal to
Isaac Wise. "O Jerusalem, that stonest them that are sent to thee!"

Yet there is need of prophets in Judah today, men who will rise among
the people and tell them plainly. The rabbinate is utterly bankrupt of
the prophetic spirit. It has fallen into the blindness of the old
priesthood. Here and there a literary man attempts to speak, but
Jewish "art" has so accustomed the Jews to make-believe that the
writing is looked upon as a performance, nothing more.

No one with a sense for such things -- and there are believers still
left in Judah -- will doubt that the times are ripe for a great change
respecting the Jews. So strong is the feeling among the remnant of
believing Jews that it is interpreted as forewarnings of the Messianic
period. Among the Judaized Christian sects, other interpretations are
given to the times, most of which are used to support political
Zionism, which represents the materialism and unbelief of present-day
Judaism and which will undoubtedly fail as a national restorative and
as a political program. But however misinterpretative these sectarian
and Jewish conclusions may be, they indicate a sense of imminent
change. A greater change is indicated than migration to Palestine
would be -- for that would not mean any change at all in the world,
and certainly no change for the better in the fortunes of the Jews.
Christians -- misguided Christians, one must say -- who see God's
alleged will of universal Jewish dominion fulfilled by means of the
Jews' defiance and despite of the Law given to Moses, ought to
re-examine their ground for so strange and immoral a conclusion. The
break-up of this civilization, this age of civilization, will occur
because of the collapse of this system by which the Jew has obtained
his hold on the nations. The system that gives him his hold is doomed,
is passing, and the fallacy of Jewish tribal destiny to rule the world
will pass with it.
With this change already on the threshold, prophets should be expected
to arise in Judah to recall their people to the Law whose previous
denial meant their overthrow. These prophets will not be of the
"Reform school," which denies the God of Israel as a divine Person,
nor will they be of the ultra-orthodox school which makes much of
fringes and cookery -- they will be of the race of the ancient
prophets who spake boldly against Judah's violation of the fundamental
law.

Our confidence is that a sufficient number of Jews will see the truth
and act upon it.

What would be the greatest overturn the present Jewish idea, the
disruptive Jewish idea, could possibly have? This: a knowledge that
the way they are going is the way their own Law foredooms to failure,
and that the people they hope to triumph over are the people their own
Scriptures say they are not to triumph over.

The first is beyond dispute: there is no success for the Jew, no
establishment of him in the world except upon the basic law given to
Moses. In any other attempt he must fall when the structure collapses.

The second is in dispute, but is by no means beyond consideration,
especially by Jews. In these matters the Jews are much wiser than the
so-called Christians. There is among the Jews "the law of the brother"
and "the law of the stranger." The "law of the stranger" permits
several important things which the "law of the brother" prohibits. The
Jews have been treating the rest of the world, often intentionally,
sometimes as a matter of course, according to the "law of the
stranger." This is one of the influences which has helped to solidify
Jewry against the rest of the world.

Suppose it should be shown that the people in whose lands the Jews
have never been persecuted, the people of those lands to which the
Jews have never been "driven" but to which they have hopefully and
joyfully come, are not "strangers" and are not to be treated as
"strangers" and, so far from being "strangers," are really the leaders
and rulers of that ethical stream of influence of which the Jews, but
for their disloyalty to their destiny, might have been an important
part!

Suppose it should be shown that Judah, the "driven" part of Israel,
has been blindly attacking the "led" part of Israel. Suppose it should
be shown that Judah is not the Israel upon whom great destiny is to
come, but a small part of that Israel and not even a participating
part, until it "returns, returns, returns."

If these things should once take hold of the intensified consciousness
of Judah, as facts, there would be such a change in human society in
general, such a change in the Jewish situation in particular, as would
make a return to Palestine a mere summer excursion in comparison.

Jews are thinking about those very matters now. They are thinking from
within. They are seeking a reason (the thoughtful among them) for the
sense of unfitness which they feel when they adopt the traditional
attitude of enmity toward the "others," the "others" in this case
being the Anglo-Saxon peoples. The reason for this sense of
impropriety is that here, in this land, the Jew will have to change
his attitude of antagonism and dwell in peace as in a land prepared
for him. Not as lord of it, by any means, but as a grateful wanderer
at last come home. Not as a ruler, but as adding his bit to the
righteousness, prosperity, and peace of the people.

It is not a question of religion. Let the Jew get back his Mosaic
religion -- it is the most perfect social system ever devised and
directly contrary to the practical modern Jew's idea of things.

It is not a question of intermarriage. Let the Jew keep as long as he
pleases his idea that he is racially different. The suggestion of
intermarriage is a crude one and always indicates a lack of grasp of
the Jewish Question.
Let the Jew keep all his traditions. They are not objectionable in any
way; the slightest regard for them can only hold them as romantic.

But let him shed his false notion of "the Jew against the world!"
Let him shed his false program of breaking down Christendom by the
infiltration of Orientalism into business, art, entertainment, and the
professions.
Let him abolish the false ideal that it is an honor to Jewry to save a
guilty Jew from the common law, and a disgrace to Jewry to see a
guilty Jew punished by the common law.

Let him draw up notice to all the Jews of the United States who by
hook or crook are sowing vile seed in society, that the Jewish
community charges itself with their misbehavior and will use methods
well known to Jews to bring that misbehavior to an end.

Let the Jew end forever the disgrace of an anti-defamation committee
which grows frantic over innocent remarks on the part of "Gentiles"
and is absolutely indifferent to the misdeeds of thousands of Jews who
do more damage to the Jewish name than all the "Gentile" critics and
newspapers could do in twenty years. No one can give the Jews a bad
reputation but the Jews themselves.
Most Jews who have given this matter a thought will agree. A good deal
of bad temper exists among them, no doubt, and it will be hard for
them to admit that anything THE DEARBORN INDEPENDENT may contend for
is right, but the idea here expressed, when divorced from this paper,
does command respect from many Jews.
The question remains: When will they start on the program here
suggested?
Human nature being what it is, they will hate to start at all if it
will seem that the present agitation has compelled them. But would
they have started without the agitation?

Is it possible for an additional number of Jews to catch the thought
that this series of articles cannot be so easily explained away -- we
are not referring to the contents now, but to the fact that these
articles exist at all -- as being the creation of prejudice, or hatred
or vindictiveness or ignorance?
Suppose these articles should be truly a sign of the times for
American Jewry! Suppose they offer a warning word, however unwelcome,
and a light, however undesired, which it would be most unwise for Jews
to ignore.

Suppose these articles were conceived in a spirit far different than
the average pro-Jewish spouter is competent to understand. Suppose the
ultimate benefit will be mostly Judah's. Suppose the set time has now
come for the Jews to quit their attitude of attacking everyone who
shows them the truth, and to profit by this report of the poor figure
they cut in American life today. Suppose these people who are moved to
search and report the truth about Judah are truly the shophar calling
the people to a new day -- is it wise to let stubborness counsel? Is
it wise to let pride close the ear?

The enemies of the Jews are those who defend them for the pay of hire
or praise or votes. The enemies of the Jews are those who bespeak them
fair to their faces and express quite different thoughts behind their
backs. The writer of this personally knows that two of the principal
"Gentile" defenders of the Jews, men who have shouted and ranted
through the Press on the Jews' behalf, are men who privately hold and
express thoughts about the Jews which are sheer hatred and enmity and
-- fear. Mostly fear! The enemies of the Jews are those who encourage
them to take an attitude that they cannot hold in America -- not as
affecting their personal liberty at all, but their social attitude and
the Public Right. These are the enemies of the Jews, and yet these are
the ones whom Judah counts his friends. They are hired friends, false
friends, incapable of realizing for a moment what this whole Question
means. Judah's friends today are those who will speak the surgical
truth to him, braving his fury in the knowledge that the future will
justify the word.

Judah's leaders have betrayed him in this country -- they do not know
they have crossed the Jordan. The Jews are as sheep without shepherds
in this land. And the chief objection which the Jewish leaders have to
THE DEARBORN INDEPENDENT is that the Jews may read it and learn how
shepherdless they are, the Jewish leaders' opposition to THE DEARBORN
INDEPENDENT rises mostly from the fear that the Jews may read it! The
Jews have read it, and they have not found hatred, they have not found
abuse and calumny, they have not found ignorance and malice; they have
found statements of fact calmly set forth, not to arouse hatred among
the non-Jews, but to arouse a sense of social responsibility among the
Jews.

These are significant times. The emergence of the Jewish Question is a
part of the culmination of destiny that has come upon us, nor for harm
but for good. The Jews must uncover their eyes and unstop their ears,
and they will see the beginning of the end of their travail, and they
will hear that to which they have been too long heedless.

The justification of a discussion of the Jewish Question is the good
for the Jews, and the greatest present obstacle to that good is the
Jews themselves. The time is here when they shall see it.

[THE DEARBORN INDEPENDENT, issue of 7 January 1922]

============

"Anyone who essays to discuss the Jewish Question in the United
States or anywhere else must be fully prepared to be regarded as
"anti-Semite," a "Jew-baiter." Nor need encouragement be looked for
from politicians, people or Press. The people who are awake to the
subject at all prefer to wait and see how it all turns out. There is a
vague feeling that to use the word "Jew" openly, or to expose it
nakedly in print, is somehow improper. Polite evasions like "Hebrew"
and "Semite" (both of which are-subject to the criticism of
inaccuracy) are timidly assayed, and people pick their way gingerly as
if the whole subject were forbidden, until some courageous thinker
comes along with the word "Jew," and then the constraint is relieved
and the air cleared.

"The word "Jew" is not an epithet; it is a name, ancient and
descriptive, with a significance for every period of human history,
past, present and to come.

"The chief difficulty in writing about the Jewish Question is the
super-sensitiveness of Jews and non-Jews concerning the whole matter.
There is probably not a newspaper in America, and certainly none of
the advertising mediums which are called magazines, which would have
the temerity even to breathe seriously the fact that such a Question
exists. The Press in general is open to fulsome editorials in favor of
everything Jewish, while the Jewish Press, which is numerous in the
United States, takes care of the vituperative end.

"The idea seems to be fixed in the Jew by inheritance that any
public discussion of the Jewish Question is organized and inspired by
a Jew-hater. That idea is sought to be fixed in the Gentile by
propaganda; that any writing which does not simply cloy and drip
sirrupy sweetness towards things Jewish is born of prejudice and
hatred. It is, therefore, "full of lies, insult, insinuation, and
constitutes an instigation to massacre." These terms can be found in
current Jewish editorials. "
-- Henry Ford

READ CHAPTERS FROM FORD's BOOK
(Neither am I recommending nor do I know anything about the website
where these chapters are being offered. I merely state that Ford's
book is factual as far as I have been able to determine, and important
to understanding what has happened to this country. --Dick Eastman
The idea is to go after mass-murderers, e.g., Perle and Wolfowitz
etc. and not, e.g., Bob Bergstein who makes violins in Cincinnati.

The International Jew --
The World's Foremost Problem
By Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company,
and the editors of THE DEARBORN INDEPENDENT.
Vol. 1The International Jew
1The Jew in Character and Business
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij01.html

2Germany's Reaction Against the Jew
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij02.html

3Jewish History in the United States
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij03.html

4The Jewish Question -- Fact or Fancy?
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij04.html

5Anti-Semitism -- Will It Appear in the U.S.?
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij05.html

6Jewish Question Breaks Into the Magazines
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij06.html

7Arthur Brisbane Leaps to the Help of Jewry
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij07.html

8Does a Definite Jewish World Program Exist?
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij08.html

9The Historic Basis of Jewish Imperialism
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij09.html

10An Introduction to the "Jewish Protocols"
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij10.html

11"Jewish" Estimate of Gentile Human Nature
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij11.html

12"Jewish Protocols" Claim Partial Fulfillment
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij12.html

13"Jewish" Plan to Split Society by "Ideas"
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij13.html

14Did the Jews Foresee the World War?
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij14.html

15Is the Jewish "Kahal" the Modern "Soviet"?
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij15.html

16How the "Jewish Question" Touches the Farm
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij16.html

17Does Jewish Power Control the World Press?
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij17.html

18Does This Explain Jewish Political Power?
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij18.html

19The All-Jewish Mark on "Red Russia"
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij19.html

20Jewish Testimony in Favor of Bolshevism
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij20.html


Vol. 2Jewish Activities in the United States

21How Jews in the U.S. Conceal Their Strength
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij21.html

22Jewish Testimony on "Are Jews a Nation?"
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij22.html

23Jew Versus Non-Jew in New York Finance
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij23.html

24The High and Low of Jewish Money Power
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij24.html

25"Disraeli of America" -- A Jew of Super-Power
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij25.html

26The Scope of Jewish Dictatorship in the U.S.
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij26.html

27Jewish Copper Kings Reap Rich War-Profits
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij27.html

28Jewish Control of the American Theater
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij28.html

29The Rise of the First Jewish Theatrical Trust
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij29.html

30How Jews Capitalized a Protest Against Jews
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij30.html

31The Jewish Aspect of the "Movie" Problem
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij31.html

32Jewish Supremacy in Motion Picture World
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij32.html

33Rule of the Jewish Kehillah Grips New York
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij33.html

34The Jewish Demand for "Rights" in America
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij34.html

35"Jewish Rights" Clash With American Rights
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij35.html

36"Jewish Rights" to Put Studies Out of Schools
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij36.html

37Disraeli -- British Premier, Portrays the Jews
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij37.html

38Taft Once Tried to Resist Jews -- and Failed
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij38.html

39When Editors Were Independent of the Jews
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij39.html

40Why the Jews Dislike the Morgenthau Report
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij40.html

41Jews Use the Peace Conference to Bind Poland
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij41.html

42The Present Status of the Jewish Question
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij42.html


Vol. 3Jewish Influences in American Life

43The Jews and the "Religious Persecution" Cry
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij43.html

44Are the Jews Victims or Persecutors?
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij44.html

45Jewish Gamblers Corrupt American Baseball
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij45.html

46Jewish Degradation of American Baseball
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij46.html

47Jewish Jazz Becomes Our National Music
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij47.html

48How the Jewish Song Trust Makes You Sing
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij48.html

49Jewish Hot-Beds of Bolshevism in the U.S.
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij49.html

50Jew Trades Link With World Revolutionaries
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij50.html

51Will Jewish Zionism Bring Armageddon?
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij51.html

52How the Jews Use Power -- By an Eyewitness
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij52.html

53How Jews Ruled and Ruined Tammany Hall
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij53.html

54Jew Wires Direct Tammany's Gentile Puppets
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij54.html

55B'nai B'rith Leader Discusses the Jews
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij55.html

56Dr. Levy, a Jew, Admits His People's Error
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij56.html

57Jewish Idea in American Monetary Affairs
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij57.html

58Jewish Idea Molded Federal Reserve Plan
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij58.html

59Jewish Idea of Central Bank for America
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij59.html

60How Jewish International Finance Functions
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij60.html

61Jewish Power and America's Money Famine
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij61.html


Vol. 4Aspects of Jewish Power in the United States


62How Jews Gained American Liquor Control
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij62.html

63Gigantic Jewish Liquor Trust and Its Career
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij63.html

64The Jewish Element in Bootlegging Evil
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij64.html

65Angles of Jewish Influence in American Life
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij65.html

66The Jews' Complaint Against "Americanism"
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij66.html

67The Jewish Associates of Benedict Arnold
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij68.html

68Benedict Arnold and Jewish Aid in Shady Deal
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij68.html

69Arnold and His Jewish Aids at West Point
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij69.html

70The Gentle Art of Changing Jewish Names
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij70.html

71Jewish "Kol Nidre" and "Eli, Eli" Explained
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij71.html

72Jews as New York Magistrates See Them
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij72.html

73Jews Are Silent, the National Voice Is Heard
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij73.html

74What Jews Attempted Where They Had Power
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij74.html

75The Jewish Question in Current Testimony
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij75.html

76America's Jewish Enigma -- Louis Marshall
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij76.html

77The Economic Plans of International Jews
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij77.html

78A Jew Sees His People As Others See Them
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij78.html

79Candid Address to Jews on the Jewish Problem
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij79.html

80An Address to "Gentiles" on the Jewish Problem
http://churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij80.html
oldickeastman
2003-06-24 05:46:57 UTC
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From: "John Kaminski" <***@comcast.net>
To: "Everyman" <***@nwinfo.net>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:40 AM
Subject: The lies of our leaders


The lies of our leaders

Americans believe it's no longer important to tell the truth

By John Kaminski
***@comcast.net


President Bush and virtually the entire American power structure lied to the
whole world when they said Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction that
were an imminent threat to the safety of the so-called free world.

Now beyond any doubt, these assertions have since been exposed as
falsehoods. Still, few Americans really give a damn, and business goes on,
in the foreshadow of a massive worldwide economic collapse, as usual.

President Bush and virtually the entire American power structure lied
when they said we needed to invade Afghanistan to bring to justice the
alleged perpetrators of the 9/11 horror. Shortly after the invasion began,
Gen. Tommy Franks announced it wasn't important to capture the so-called
ringleader, Osama bin Laden, even as the Afghanis' Taliban government
offered to furnish him for trial in a neutral country. The real objective,
Franks said during the attack, was to subdue the whole country.

With the fictional al-Qaeda network still being used as a pretext for
permanent war against the entire world by the United States and bin Laden
still uncaptured, it has become obvious to everyone that the reason for
obliterating Afghanistan with nuclear weapons and murdering tens of
thousands of innocent people was something other than capturing a suspected
terrorist, although none of us are quite sure what that reason was. Talk of
Enron, oil pipelines and geopolitical strategies are generally censored from
the television news.

The situation is identical is Iraq. What was the purpose of blasting
several thousand innocents into heaven when the situation it produced is
actually more of a threat to our security than was the continued
dictatorship of Saddam Hussein? None of us are quite sure what that reason
was, although we all have our favorite suspicions: oil, Israel, expenditure
of military stockpiles and creation of lucrative contracts for corporate
supporters of the war machine to revive a disintegrating American economy.

Those two lies - justifying depraved mass murder in two defenseless
countries - now stand as the ranking horrors in American history. In the 227
years of our history, from the smallpox blankets of Colonial days to Waco,
America has done nothing worse (although many military adventures, notably
the Philippines in 1899 and Vietnam in the the 1960s, were almost as bad and
unjustifiable).

But the real question as America sinks into the suffocating hell of a
totalitarian dictatorship is this.

If our leaders have been proved to be liars about the sick and sinful
destruction of humanity in Afghanistan and Iraq, why do a majority of
Americans still accept what these same lying leaders said about the 9/11
atrocity, that it was the work of foreign terrorists who envied our freedom!
As Gerard Holmgren once so aptly said, this is the most ridiculous of all
conspiracy theories to believe.

To a special few, responsibility for the 9/11 butchery has always been
obvious. Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote about the need for it in a book, and the
Republican-dominated Project for a New American Century recommended it as a
desirable event for achieving its goals.

But most simpleton Americans are afraid to even contemplate such a
frightening possibility. They would prefer to believe the lie, without
really realizing what will happen to them if they do.

In the history of the world, there has never been a bigger lie than
9/11, yet most Americans still cling in closed-minded terror to the
official story, swallow their pride at airports as minimum-wage fascists
probe their private parts, stick flag decals on their cars in hopes they
won't be pulled over and jailed for something they don't expect by
Ashcroft's new stormtroopers, and watch in numbed banality as the official
government investigation begins by saying they already know who did it, so
there's no sense investigating that.

Americans have swallowed the lie whole-hog that we need to beef up
security because there are terrorists in our midst, when the obvious fact is
that the terrorists reside in Washington, and are terrorizing the whole
world, with the eager help of your neighbors, the corrupt local police and
corrupt local judges, who accept what their superiors order them to do just
as the guards at Auschwitz did.

Let that one roll through your mind: American cops are now just the
guards at Auschwitz, participating in the elimination of all those who won't
participate in the American master plan of enslaving the world. Can you say
death chamber at Guantanamo with no real trial?

How can this possibly be happening? How can Americans have gone
brain-dead all at once? It didn't happen overnight, I can tell you. From the
Kennedy assassination onward, Americans have been conditioned to accept
phony excuses for political crimes as protests and questions are all blunted
in a mind-numbing miasma of bureaucratic mazes. So everyone gave up trying
to ask questions, and rationalized their indifference as not critical to my
survival. Time to guess again.

Even more disturbing than the murderous plans of Bush and his petronazi
gang of Zionist manipulators is the silent acquiescence of the so-called
opposition. These "liberal" Democrats CREATED the Patriot Act, which
castrates our Constitution. These gutless bureaucrats, ever mindful of the
need to attract corporate campaign contributions, went along with Bush's
invasions for fear of losing the votes of mindless, flag-waving fascist
Americans.

Consider the Democratic opposition for a moment: Hillary Clinton, Kerry,
Lieberman, Gephardt, Edwards, Dean, Mosely-Braun, Sharpton - all but one of
the Democratic candidates BACKED the military moves of Bush. And all of
them - no exceptions - endorse the lies we have been told about 9/11, as
well as the fiction that Israel is a benevolent democracy.

I get a big laugh out of all these calls for petitions on various
issues. Ha. And the same goes double for all this talk about the next
election. Ha ha. The elections of 2000 proved Americans no longer have
elections. It doesn't matter who you vote for. Who they want to win will
win, and they have both the technological expertise and the cash on hand to
make it happen. Just ask any Supreme Court justice.

Take your presidential candidate and stuff him. The American system of
democracy is dead. The presidential campaign is a sideshow to delude the
American populace into thinking they still have choice about what happens.

Bulletin: they don't.

No one in Congress is telling the truth (OK, you might find one or two
who are telling the truth about SOME things, one less without Paul
Wellstone, who was clearly murdered).

No candidate for any office anywhere in the United States is saying that
9/11 was a hoax, a cynical gambit to scare the American people into
accepting police state measures. That's why no candidate now running for any
office is telling the truth.

No one who thinks of running public office can seriously entertain the
notion they can fix anything. Because to fix anything, you have to dig into
the big problems that keep the war machine afloat, principally the pervasive
influence of Judaism and Zionism, which have fatally
infected most of the societies in the world with their manipulative brand of
behavioral bullshit, and undermined morality everywhere. When morality is
relative, evil prevails, because temptation and corruption are the human
conditions.

No one running for public office will begin to address the obvious issue
that 9/11 was aimed at defaming Muslims, thereby legitimizing two horrible
American crimes: the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians, and the conquest
of all the oil resources in the world.

And when the religions themselves have grown corrupt by their own power
over people, there is no hope, anarchy follows and chaos triumphs. There is
no hope. That is the situation we now face.

Eventually, after thousands of photos of bloodied bodies, after all the
uteruses of our soldiers' wives are bleeding from the effects of radioactive
ammunition, after you realize that one day you are out of money and there's
nowhere to get more because the fat cats have stolen it all and surrounded
themselves with Wackenhut wackos, you'll come to the realization about
blame.

There's no real sense blaming Jews or Catholics, or oil executives or
money launderers. We've done all this to ourselves, simply by not paying
attention to what's actually happening.

It isn't Bush or Daschle who are the real scumbags, the real killers of
innocent people in the pursuit of profit. It's nobody us but us, we the
intelligent citizens of the world who failed to pay attention, or took a
bribe, or looked the other way when we saw somebody doing something wrong
because it was easier that way.

It is we who kept our mouths shut during all those scams, Vietnam, the
savings and loan robbery, Waco, 9/11. We were too afraid to ask real
questions, and thought we could get by waving our flags and going along with
the crowd. But each new government atrocity got worse, right up through
9/11.

And, sadly, the worst has yet to come.

It's too late now. Nothing can be done. They can't be stopped. We waited
too long. We waited until they had amassed their armies, their biological
identification devices, their roadblocks, their internment camps for
protesters, the death penalty in Oregon for protesting, their genetically
modified food supply (guaranteeing billions of needless deaths), their
aluminumization of our atmosphere, their privatization of our water, their
shaping of our very brains through Zionist educational philosophies and
Zionist entertainment programming until our minds were so zapped out on
misleading trivialities that we couldn't even ask the most basic question of
all anymore.

Which is this.

Why couldn't we see this would happen because we didn't pay attention to
all those other horrors?

Why didn't we know you can't turn your back on the world, and expect the
world to still be there when you turn back around?

There is no forgiveness, and no way to put things right without a
massive bloodbath now. Which is just what they wanted, just what they
practice. They've won. And we've lost.

But don't blame it on the lies of our leaders. Blame it on the lies we
told - and are still telling - ourselves.

=========

John Kaminski is a writer who currently lives in poverty on the coast of
Florida, who usually talks every Friday night on a webcast at lewisnews.com,
and whose collection of essays titled "America's Autopsy Report" is
scheduled for publication sometime in the future by Dandelion Books.
Ron Harvey
2003-06-26 16:07:49 UTC
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I am not going to waste my time going all over
it again. I've resolved never to do so again
due to your vitrolic attitude, smear campaigns,
and bad faith.
Stjarna [Sarah Roberts]
Spank, you kooky morphing flake.
She avoided going into my arguments with me too. Never has.
That is not only a lie, it is perverse.

To go into your argument when do we get to see an honest answer to
my question:

What was the distance between the center line of the trajectory and
the scrape mark across the generator, and how would that compare with
the wing span of the attacking object?
Ron Harvey
2003-06-26 16:12:22 UTC
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.....
Excellent work. The disinfo people are scared to touch this one. As an
aside, did you see Andy Carol cling tenaciously to the story about the
engine landing in a parking lot?
Sgt Lagasse says he saw TWO engines in the North Parking Lot.

Do you say that he's lying?
a***@justicemail.com
2003-06-27 00:45:32 UTC
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Post by Ron Harvey
.....
Excellent work. The disinfo people are scared to touch this one. As an
aside, did you see Andy Carol cling tenaciously to the story about the
engine landing in a parking lot?
Sgt Lagasse says he saw TWO engines in the North Parking Lot.
Do you say that he's lying?
I don't think he said when he saw the two engines there, did he? And
the engine that landed in the parking lot did not land in the north
lot. Why does what he said contradict the statement by Charles
Krohn?

http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20010917/aw48.htm

"One of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building
and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main
building and the new loading dock facility, said Charles H. Krohn, the
Army's deputy chief of public affairs."

Note: The described location is NOT in the north parking lot.

" I saw the remains of the engines in the North parking lot of the
Pentagon as well as melted aluminum and other debris left from the
aircraft."
Lt Col (ret) Tom McClain
Arlington, VA

But note he doesn't say when he saw them. And it is well established
that the aircraft wreckage at the Pentagon was taken to the north
parking lot for examination. Given the direction of travel of the
aircraft (roughly southwest), neither engine could have ended up in
the NORTH parking lot on its own. See
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/history-features.htm for a photograph
of the Pentagon Mall entrance and the new loading dock facility
looking north. Also at
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/renovator/RenovatorWinter2001-RDF.pdf
Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on the right hand face of the building
visible in the picture, heading southwest. Another overhead view can
be seen at http://renovation.pentagon.mil/projects-RDF.htm

In addition, the parking lot camera pictures, you can clearly see
large debris flying over the top of the building.

Now, can this argument please be put to bed? The engine landed in the
SOUTH parking lot between the main building and the new loading dock
facility. During cleanup, it was taken to the NORTH parking lot with
the rest of the aircraft debris.
Hail to the Chimp
2003-06-27 00:52:17 UTC
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Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by Ron Harvey
.....
Excellent work. The disinfo people are scared to touch this one. As
an aside, did you see Andy Carol cling tenaciously to the story
about the engine landing in a parking lot?
Sgt Lagasse says he saw TWO engines in the North Parking Lot.
Do you say that he's lying?
I don't think he said when he saw the two engines there, did he? And
the engine that landed in the parking lot did not land in the north
lot. Why does what he said contradict the statement by Charles
Krohn?
http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20010917/aw48.htm
"One of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building
and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main
building and the new loading dock facility, said Charles H. Krohn, the
Army's deputy chief of public affairs."
Note: The described location is NOT in the north parking lot.
" I saw the remains of the engines in the North parking lot of the
Pentagon as well as melted aluminum and other debris left from the
aircraft."
Lt Col (ret) Tom McClain
Arlington, VA
But note he doesn't say when he saw them. And it is well established
that the aircraft wreckage at the Pentagon was taken to the north
parking lot for examination. Given the direction of travel of the
aircraft (roughly southwest), neither engine could have ended up in
the NORTH parking lot on its own. See
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/history-features.htm for a photograph
of the Pentagon Mall entrance and the new loading dock facility
looking north. Also at
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/renovator/RenovatorWinter2001-RDF.pdf
Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on the right hand face of the building
visible in the picture, heading southwest. Another overhead view can
be seen at http://renovation.pentagon.mil/projects-RDF.htm
In addition, the parking lot camera pictures, you can clearly see
large debris flying over the top of the building.
Now, can this argument please be put to bed? The engine landed in the
SOUTH parking lot between the main building and the new loading dock
facility. During cleanup, it was taken to the NORTH parking lot with
the rest of the aircraft debris.
Physically impossible...
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
a***@justicemail.com
2003-06-27 01:05:47 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:52:17 GMT, Hail to the Chimp
Post by Hail to the Chimp
Physically impossible...
And you are quite correct. See my other post.
Hail to the Chimp
2003-06-27 02:55:02 UTC
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Post by a***@justicemail.com
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:52:17 GMT, Hail to the Chimp
Post by Hail to the Chimp
Physically impossible...
And you are quite correct. See my other post.
Yes, the post where you admit all of your basic facts were wrong, but claim
they still support your conclusion.

Quite amazing, really.
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that it
made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
a***@justicemail.com
2003-06-27 22:31:24 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 02:55:02 GMT, Hail to the Chimp
Post by Hail to the Chimp
Post by a***@justicemail.com
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:52:17 GMT, Hail to the Chimp
Post by Hail to the Chimp
Physically impossible...
And you are quite correct. See my other post.
Yes, the post where you admit all of your basic facts were wrong, but claim
they still support your conclusion.
No, the basic facts are that an engine was catapulted over the
Pentagon and landed in a parking lot in the direction that Flight 77
was traveling. I got 180 degrees turned around and called that
parking lot the south parking lot instead of the mall parking lot. It
doesn't change what happened. The remains of that engine, along with
the remains of the other engine, were then taken to the North parking
lot with other aircraft debris for examination. Those are the basic
facts.
Everyman
2003-06-28 15:30:38 UTC
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Post by a***@justicemail.com
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 02:55:02 GMT, Hail to the Chimp
Post by Hail to the Chimp
Post by a***@justicemail.com
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:52:17 GMT, Hail to the Chimp
Post by Hail to the Chimp
Physically impossible...
And you are quite correct. See my other post.
Yes, the post where you admit all of your basic facts were wrong, but claim
they still support your conclusion.
No, the basic facts are that an engine was catapulted over the
Pentagon and landed in a parking lot in the direction that Flight 77
was traveling. I got 180 degrees turned around and called that
parking lot the south parking lot instead of the mall parking lot. It
doesn't change what happened. The remains of that engine, along with
the remains of the other engine, were then taken to the North parking
lot with other aircraft debris for examination. Those are the basic
facts.
How do you explain the witnesses and official-version apologists who
claim seeing two engines in the building? How do you explain a
Pentagon community that knows the engine in the parking lot story is
false, was retracted, was the result of an engine being placed their
with other wreckage where cadaver-sniffing dogs checked debris for
remains.

Don't let those dogs sniff you, Agent 86.

Meanwhile -- in the universe of politics and events that Agent 86
never attends -- being simply a one-topic hecker -- here is this for
the intelligent thinking reader seeking real answers to the greatest
treason case in history:

UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw accused of blocking inquiry into
"dodgy dossier" used to justify war.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$3OWU1LEA3KAQDQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2003/06/28/nstraw28.xml/

Before he ordered U.S. forces to kill and maim tens of thousands of
innocent
Iraqi soldiers and civilians, Bush and Co. repeatedly maintained that
they
had absolute proof that Saddam Hussein still possessed WMDs. "There is
no
doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Dick
Cheney said in August. In January, Ari Fleisher said: "We know for a
fact that there are weapons there." WMDs; not a "WMD program" as they
now refer to it. WMDs--not just indications of possible, or probable,
WMDs. ... During the first days of the war, Defense Secretary Donald
Rumsfeld stared into television cameras, looked right at his employers
(that's you and me), and said that he knew exactly where they were.
"We know where they are," Rumsfeld said. "They are in the area around
Tikrit and Baghdad."
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0627-02.htm




U.S. military commanders have ordered a halt to local elections and
self-rule in provincial cities and towns across Iraq, choosing instead
to install their own handpicked mayors and administrators, many of
whom are former Iraqi military leaders.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42905-2003Jun27.html?


The British Army offered an apparent amnesty yesterday to those
responsible
for the deaths of six Royal Military Police officers in southern Iraq.

Helicopters dropped leaflets on the town of Majar al-Kabir, promising:
"We will not return to punish anyone since these are the methods of
Saddam's regime. Coalition forces are sorry for the loss of the people
of Majar ... we will return to Majar to make good relations with you
and all the people." ... The leaflets were distributed after British
officers had consulted a local civic leader, Abu Hatem Qarim Mahoud.
... Any suggestion that the killers remain unpunished is likely to
lead to an angry reaction in Britain. The parents of one of the dead
men accused the Army of putting their son and his comrades at risk.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=419688


Cheney, Forgery and the CIA -- Not Business as Usual: As though this
were normal! I mean the repeated visits Vice President Dick Cheney
made to the CIA before the war in Iraq. The visits were, in fact,
unprecedented. During my 27-year career at the Central Intelligence
Agency, no vice president ever came to us for a working visit.
http://www.counterpunch.org/mcgovern06272003.html


Welcome to the Machine -- How the GOP disciplined K Street and made
Bush supreme: ... Like the urban Democratic machines of yore, this
one is built upon patronage, contracts, and one-party rule. But unlike
legendary Chicago mayor Richard J. Daley, who rewarded party
functionaries with jobs in the municipal bureaucracy, the GOP is
building its machine outside government, among Washington's thousands
of trade associations and corporate offices, their tens of thousands
of employees, and the hundreds of millions of dollars in political
money at their disposal. ...
It's convened every Tuesday morning by Rick Santorum, the junior
senator from Pennsylvania, in the privacy of a Capitol Hill conference
room, for a handpicked group of two dozen or so Republican lobbyists.
Occasionally, one or two other senators or a representative from the
White House will attend. Democrats are not invited, and neither is the
press. The chief purpose of these gatherings is to discuss
jobs--specifically, the top one or two positions at the biggest and
most important industry trade associations and corporate offices
centered around Washington's K Street, a canyon of nondescript office
buildings a few blocks north of the White House that is to
influence-peddling what Wall Street is to finance. In the past, those
people were about as likely to be Democrats as Republicans, a practice
that ensured K Street firms would have clout no matter which party was
in
power. But beginning with the Republican takeover of Congress in 1994,
and accelerating in 2001, when George W. Bush became president, the
GOP has made a determined effort to undermine the bipartisan
complexion of K Street.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0307.confessore.html



Leading Iraqis have denounced proposals to deploy Indian peace
keepers in their country, saying Iraqis alone should be responsible
for their security. ... The Iraqi reactions follow continuing
political and military tensions within the country, which has been
occupied by US and British troops and a small Polish contingent since
the end of April.
http://www.rediff.com/us/2003/jun/28iraq.htm


US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, is discussing the idea of an
international peacekeeping force which could be dispatched to
maintain order in the world's trouble spots.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,986881,00.html


What shines through all the letters Rachel Corrie wrote home and which
were subsequently published in the London Guardian, is the amazing
resistance put up by the Palestinian people themselves, average human
beings stuck in the most terrible position of suffering and despair
but continuing to survive just the same. [Corrie was the peace worker
murdered by the driver of an Israeli bulldozer that was flattening a
Palestinian household, driving right over her and then backing up.]
http://iviews.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IV0306-2017


The decision of Downing Street's communications director to emerge
from the shadows was taken at the last minute, after he erupted in
fury at the BBC's decision to stand by its controversial story about
the government's use of intelligence on Iraq. ... An interview
request from Channel 4 had been politely turned down earlier in the
day, a point Mr Campbell reiterated in a telephone conversation with
Snow at 6.45pm - just 15 minutes before the programme went on air.
... "Then suddenly in my earpiece at 7.04pm I was told Alastair
Campbell has entered the building," Snow said last night. "In two
minutes he was sitting in front of me unannounced. He was angry." ...
Scowling and barely able to control his rage, Mr Campbell mixed up his
syntax as he let rip. "This is an attempt by the government to get the
BBC to admit that a fundamental attack upon the integrity of the
government, the prime minister, the intelligence agencies - let alone
the evil spin doctors in the dark who do their dirty works in the
minds of a lot of journalists - let them just accept for once they
have got it wrong."
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/media/story/0,12123,986917,00.html


Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says the almost daily attacks on U.S.-led
forces in Iraq do not constitute a guerrilla war. ... Mr. Rumsfeld
instead blamed the deadly attacks on remnants and sympathizers of the
ousted Saddam Hussein regime. He also said common criminals are behind
some attacks, noting that Saddam Hussein freed almost 100,000
prisoners before the U.S.-led invasion. .. The Defense Department
says a team of five private experts is headed to Iraq to advise U.S.
administrators on ways to stabilize the country. The team is led by
former President Bill Clinton's deputy defense minister, John Hamre.
http://www.bakutoday.net/view.php?d=5162


British MP George Galloway filed a libel suit Friday "the Queen's
newspaper" that claimed he took money from Saddam Hussein's Iraqi
regime. In April, the Telegraph claimed to have found a memo to Mr.
Hussein from the Iraqi intelligence service saying that Mr. Galloway
had asked an Iraqi agent
for a larger cut of Iraq's exports under the oil-for-food program.
Crime-lab analysis of the ink on the pages show the pages, although
variously dated with some dates over two years past, we all written
just three months ago. That and wording and format show they are
forgeries that must have originated within the British intelligence
system itself. Last week, another newspaper, the Boston-based
Christian Science Monitor, a semi-official news organ of the American
ruling elite, acknowledged that documents it had used to make similar
allegations were also forgeries. Mr. Galloway plans to sue the Monitor
as well.
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030627.wgall0627/BNStory/International/


Blair backs removal of all dictators: Tony Blair has privately told
aides the world's democracies should not hesitate to topple dictators
[they dont like.] ... The suggestion that the US, Britain and other
leading powers should be involved in repeated regime-change goes much
farther than anything the Prime Minister has said in public.
http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/5522245


A row between Britain's biggest broadcaster and Prime Minister Tony
Blair over the government's use of intelligence information in making
the case for war in Iraq has turned personal - and nasty.
http://tinyurl.com/fhps
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2003-06-28 15:32:59 UTC
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Needed:

One candidate who admits the truth about 9-11, about Israel, about
CFR-Zionist-Bonesmen domination of society.



(Is that too much to ask?)


The following is mostly raw clippings -- but the message throughout
is clear.


Is it too much to ask for a non-globalist anti-CFR president?

"Having fixed in our minds the fact that the state is a number of
persons who are up to no good, we should proceed to treat them
accordingly. You do not genuflect before an ordinary loafer; why
should you do so in the presence of a bureaucrat? If someone high in
the hierarchy rents a hall, and with your money, stay away; the absent
audience will bring him to a realization of his nothingness. The
speeches and the written statements of the politician are directed
toward influencing your good opinion of political power, and if you
neither listen to the one nor read the other you will not be
influenced and he will give up the effort. It is the applause, the
adulation we accord political personages that records our acquiescence
in the power they yield; the deflation of that power is in proportion
to our disregard of these personages. Without a cheering crowd there
is no parade.... " -- Frank Chodorov ("Old Right" ideologist)

Taken from this essay:
The Vulnerable State Frank Chodorov


===========

An anonymous author, "Plubius," writes:
"Some, like Dr. Michael Ledeen, argued that America needed to remain
militarily powerful because it was only natural that some other nation
would want to knock us off our perch. He saw America having a
messianic mission to spread freedom and democracy around the globe.
One could sum up Ledeen's choice as Pax Americana versus Eventual
Conquest.

"Others felt it was time to return to the path laid out for us by the
Founders, who wanted us meek folks to stay home in peace and inherit
the earth after the rest of the world had blown itself to bits. This
would mean retiring from the Great Game, having a strong enough
military to protect the homeland and our immediate interests, ending
the National Security State, and restoring the Constitution and the
Republic. "

---------------

Who was Robert Taft?


The Rockefeller Rebublicans, a.k.a Moderate Republicans, Liberal
Republicans, Internationalist Republicans, Globalists,
Neo-Conservatives took over the Republican Party and remolded it from
the isolationist days of Harding, Coolidge and Hoover. Isolationism
died with Senator Robert Taft in 1953.

"As I see it, members of Congress, and particularly members of the
Senate, have a constitutional obligation to reexamine constantly and
discuss the foreign policy of the United States. If we permit appeals
to unity to bring an end to that criticism, we endanger not only the
constitutional liberties of the country, but even its future
existence."
-- Sen. Robert Taft, R-Ohio, "Mr. Republican"

--------
http://www.populist.com/index.html

The Surrender of Congressional Power to a President During War -- Not
a good idea.

Now that US forces are fighting in Iraq, we are told that our duty is
to fall in behind the president and support the troops in the field.
That is nonsense.

Excerpt:
Those who would label us as un-American for criticizing Bush in a time
of war ignore a long US tradition of dissent. Abraham Lincoln made his
name as a congressman opposing the war with Mexico in 1846-47. In the
face of Woodrow Wilson's sweeping crackdown against war critics after
the US entry into World War I, former president Teddy Roosevelt
declared in 1918, "To announce that there must be no criticism of the
president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the
American Public." Sen. Robert Taft, R-Ohio, said on Dec. 19, 1941,
almost two weeks after the US entered World War II, "As a matter of
general principle, I believe there can be no doubt that criticism in
time of war is essential to the maintenance of any kind of democratic
government."

---------------

A month ago CBS News polls showed 90 percent of Republicans in favor
of war to remove Saddam Hussein.
---------------

A half century ago, Dwight Eisenhower won the 1952 GOP presidential
nomination over Sen. Robert Taft, the Republicans chosing
internationalism over isolationism and unilateralism. Eisenhower was a
strong supporter of the Marshall Plan, the United Nations and NATO.
Taft had opposed them all. Entering the 1952 elections, Republicans
held neither the White House nor the House nor the Senate. They won
all three. ...

... Although he was planning to run in the primaries in 1956, Taft
contracted fast spreading cancer and died in 1953. Eisenhower's CFR
internationalism now dominated the party that once stood for America
First. In the 1954 elections, with Taft dead and McCarthy censured,
the Republicans, having given the country unadulterated CFR rule,
lost control of both houses of Congress, leaving the 83rd Congress
with few accomplishments to look back on.

------------

The noninterventionist movement and it's attachment to the Republican
Party began with the rejection of the Wilson/House policy of
participation in the League of Nations. This isolationist attitude
(led by Henry Cabot Lodge) prevailed through the Republican Party
during the Harding and Coolidge administrations. From the late 1930's
to the Korean war, non-interventionist group America Firsters and Sen.
Robert Taft carried promoted strong anti-communist, anti-European
and anti-interventionist themes. On Jan. 5, 1951, Sen. Robert Taft,
opened the 82nd Congress criticizing Truman for sending troops to
Korea without Congress' approval. Admitting "the threat of communism
is real," Taft opposed stationing American troops abroad, advocating
decisive superiority in air and naval forces over commitments to
ground warfare in foreign lands. He opposed American soldiers fighting
in Europe and Korea, and declared the NATO a mistake. Taft also
declared the UN to be a trap, arguing that US should sever its
relations with the flawed organization at once.


==========

The Forgotten Cause: THE ANTI-INTERNATIONALIST AMERICA FIRST
MOVEMENT:

Charles Lindbergh's Noninterventionist Efforts & America First
Committee Involvement

===================

Imperium in Imperio Frank Chodorov

The Unreality of Expediency Frank Chodorov

Remember Robespierre Frank Chodorov

It's Fun to Fight Frank Chodorov

On Economics Frank Chodorov

How Communism Came to America Frank Chodorov

The Old Right Was Right Leroy Wilson

==========================================

The Case for Non-Intervention
Publius Papers
April 1999 Publius



America does not need to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy.
America well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her
own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would
involve herself beyond the power of extraction, in all the wars of
interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy and ambition, which
assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental
maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.
She might become dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the
ruler of her own spirit.--John Quincy Adams

We Americans have an unusual history. We are the only nation in the
world populated entirely by people attempting to escape other people.
The other people may have been tyrants, religious authorities, or
folks who just hated us because it was the trendy thing to do. We made
this continent our refuge and thanked God we were no longer living in
the Old Country. We established an experiment in self-government that
permitted people from all nations, races and religions to live in
peace and not shoot each other on sight. Granted, it took us a long
time to get the race part right, but at least we tried and at great
cost. Much of the world still can't even get the religion part right.

Freed from participation in Europe's Great Game, we viewed this
continent as ours and were ready to fight to keep those perennially
warring Europeans from bringing their conflicts to our turf. Secretary
of State John Quincy Adams, concerned about the Holy Alliance, warned
Europeans to stay out of our yard, a policy known to history as the
Monroe Doctrine. We viewed those two vast oceans as our protection and
considered ourselves morally superior to those who killed for religion
or the balance of power. But with our involvement in World War I we
began our downfall into European ways.

The Great War

The Balkans had been in disarray as the Ottoman Empire disintegrated
during the 19th Century. As piece after piece of this collapsing
empire tore away, the other great powers of Europe participated in the
dismembering, mostly to maintain a balance of power but occasionally
for spoils and adventure. Germany's Otto von Bismarck, a shrewd
observer of European power politics, once commented that the Balkans
were not worth the life of one Pomeranian grenadier.

In 1910 a crisis in the Balkans came within an inch of starting a
general European war, but the major powers looked into the abyss,
shuddered, and backed away. Unfortunately, when the heir to the
Austrian throne was assassinated in Bosnia in 1914, the major powers
marched to the precipice and promptly dived off.

Wilson's first decision was correct: he asked the combatants to stop
fighting and meet at a peace conference. With the failure of this
gambit, Wilson began trading with both sides while claiming
neutrality, a risky practice at best.

Historians today still argue whether Wilson truly wanted to keep us
out of war or just wanted to jump into the Great Game at an opportune
time. When Germany declared its policy of fighting unrestricted
submarine warfare and then boarded and sank a few ships, Wilson went
to Congress to ask for a declaration of war. Suddenly German shepherds
became "Alsatians," and sauerkraut became "Liberty Cabbage."

All wars are about power. But as long as veterans from a given war are
still living, one can never admit this, nor can the real motives of
the war be objectively examined. For that reason, it is only in the
past few decades that historians have been able to subject World War I
to rigorous analysis.

Some question Wilson's timing. By the spring of 1917 both sides were
so exhausted from combat that continued American neutrality would have
led to that "peace without victory" for which Wilson had so long
evangelized. American involvement gave the Allies new strength, and
thus American participation tipped the balance.

The key question that still has to be answered is, was Germany really
all that bad? Granted, Kaiser Bill was a bigot and a fool, but he was
certainly not an early Hitler. After the war, British propaganda about
the "Huns" was thoroughly debunked, and it was conceded that the
German army was too professional and disciplined to rape nuns and
pitchfork babies. Would it have made any difference to America had we
stayed out and let the war drift off inconclusively? In its death
throes, Germany bequeathed us Lenin.

Clemenceau and Lloyd-George were two of the most seasoned street
fighters in European politics, and Wilson turned out to be a babe in
the woods. The two old pros wanted to dismember the Germany that
Bismarck had forged and turn it back into the little principalities
from which it had originated, which would have prevented the rise of
Hitler. Wilson wanted to welcome Weimar Germany into the League of
Nations and the world community, which also would have prevented the
rise of Hitler. The compromise solution beggared Germany with
reparations, bankrupted it, humiliated it, partially dismembered
it--and then welcomed it into the community of nations. When the score
is toted up, Wilson bequeathed us Yugoslavia, Hitler and even Ho Chi
Minh.

The Good War

Americans have always felt proud of their involvement in World War II.
Even Vietnam War protestors professed the rightness of their parents'
cause and their theoretical willingness to have fought. After all, the
Japanese attacked us first, bombing our naval base in that one
brilliant but infamous act. Their behavior during the war was
barbarous. And who could defend Hitler, the premier monster of the
20th Century and the father of ethnic cleansing?

But all wars are about power. As long as veterans from a given war are
still living, one can never admit this, nor can the real motives of
the war be objectively examined. It will be at least a decade more
before historians can question the behavior of Franklin Roosevelt and
his policies in the period leading up to our entry into the war and
the Great Game. Despite current popular approval, the jury is still
out on our use of the atomic bomb. History is patient.

The Cold War

After half a century, the origins of this war are in dispute as
historians still argue over who threw the first punch.

In his memoirs Dean Acheson tells how the Marshall Plan was sold to a
reluctant Congress and populace by means of "a little white lie, a
harmless piece of hyperbole", i.e., the Soviet Union was bent on the
conquest of Europe, America and the world. Acheson thought it
necessary for the Foreign Policy Community to scare Americans into
rebuilding Europe and to use America as the glue to hold Europe
together, thus bringing us into the Great Game on a permanent basis.

Sen. Robert Taft of Ohio was wary. He had opposed the Nuremberg trials
arguing that the leaders of a sovereign nation could not be placed on
trial, for he feared that a future American president might be tried
should we lose a war. But the Soviet acquisition of nuclear weaponry
via treason changed the political landscape, and Republicans
criticized George Kennan's policy of containment, preferring instead a
policy of rollback. After Acheson's Little White Lie, the Soviet
A-bomb and the fall of China, no one questioned the underlying
rationale of the Cold War.

In Korea the Foreign Policy Community had given Kim Il Sung territory
which he had not won in battle; perceiving this ignorance as weakness,
Kim went to war to take the remainder. Truman passed this to the
United Nations, and when the Soviets foolishly walked out rather than
veto the proposed intervention, a UN army was sent to Korea for a
"police action" which did not require a declaration of war. When
MacArthur invaded North Korea, it almost led to a Sino-American war,
which would have further escalated into a nuclear war with the Soviet
Union. The UN settled for a stalemate and permanent occupation of a
demilitarized zone.

In The Twilight Struggle, Henry Kissinger of Harvard argued that the
US should fight long-term, limited wars in the Third World to counter
Soviet expansion. Edwin Lansdale obliged by providing a military
strategy called counter-insurgency. But George Ball saw Europe as the
arena for the Cold War and stated categorically that adventures in the
Third World were at best a sideshow and at worst a bear trap. No one
listened to him until it was too late.

In East Germany and Hungary the Dulles brothers had used every tool in
the book to foment revolts, yet when they occurred, the US sat on its
hands. Thanks to excellent Soviet counter-intelligence, we had no idea
just how weak the adversary truly was.

By 1960 Krushchev was signaling that he needed a breathing spell in
which to bend the military and KGB to his will. There were hopes that
the 1960 Paris summit would lead to demilitarizing Europe, but the U-2
incident dashed those hopes.

Krushchev saw Cuba as the bargaining chip that would convince the West
to pull out of Berlin. When America installed missiles in Turkey,
Krushchev put missiles in Cuba. That almost led to World War III when
Kennedy created a public crisis where secret diplomacy would have
worked. In the end, Krushchev appeared to blink when in fact he got
the missiles out of Turkey. It was not until 1990 that we discovered
that the Soviets had brought tactical nukes with them to Cuba when
they first arrived in 1961.

In Vietnam the CIA discovered that Ho Chi Minh would win the
UN-sponsored elections aimed at reuniting the country, so Eisenhower
called them off. Few in the intelligence community were prepared to
accept that nationalism was Ho's primary ideology until Robert
McNamara asked the question, "Was Ho Chi Minh the Asian Tito?" in
1966, thus setting off an effort known as the Pentagon Papers. There
is entirely too much to say about that debacle in which 58,000
Americans lost their lives, and one paragraph won't come close where
even whole volumes have failed.

In Czechoslovakia the Soviets crushed the Prague Spring while we sat
on our hands, this time because the Soviets were in fact strong enough
to fight a nuclear war and because we had deployed the bulk of our
military forces elsewhere. George Ball had made his point.

In 1974 in Helsinki we gave the Soviets everything Krushchev had asked
for in 1960--but on their terms, not ours. At this point there
occurred one of the great ironies of the Cold War. Now on a roll, the
Soviets swallowed everything they could in the Third World--and choked
on it courtesy of "imperial overreach."

As their game in Afghanistan began to crumble, the Soviets invaded to
prop up their puppet government, thus handing us an opportunity for
poetic justice. We would end up doing to the Soviets in Afghanistan
what they had done to us in Vietnam. Let the punishment fit the crime.

In Poland, Solidarity became the de facto government. To avoid a
public relations disaster Brezhnev had the Polish military seize
control--and still got his public relations disaster.

Reagan's decision to drop containment and pick up the fallen standard
of rollback changed the calculus. He took a grave risk, and on at
least one occasion the Soviets came within a hair of launching a
preventive war. But the dangerous gamble worked. A steady effort in
America's back yard pushed the Soviets out of all their outposts save
Cuba.

Gorbachev came to power with a mandate the stop the decline. Realizing
the cost of putting down rebellions in the Eastern Bloc was too high,
he dared to let the nations of Stalin's empire go their separate ways.
But despite all the adulation in the West, Gorbachev was incompetent.
Not realizing the Soviet system was so fragile that just jostling it
would cause it to collapse, he tried to restructure it--only to find
the Marxist-Leninist economy, the Soviet Union, and the social fabric
itself tearing in his hands. Marx had postulated the withering away of
the state, but not like this.

In 1991 the Soviet Union collapsed, and the Cold War ended with its
occupation by an army of Harvard economists who completed the
devastation begun by Lenin. Rather than teach the 200-proof capitalism
that had made America great, they taught the crony capitalism that was
turning America into a modern feudal state. Just as the victors of
World War I had beggared, bankrupted, humiliated and partially
dismembered Germany, the victors of the Cold War gave the Soviet Union
the same treatment--and then wondered why the Russians were so ticked
off.

But all wars are about power. As long as veterans from a given war are
still living, one can never admit this, nor can the real motives of
the war be objectively examined. It will be at least sixty years
before historians can question the Little White Lie and all it led to.

The Next War

America came out of the Cold War with a National Security State that
had shredded the Constitution, a government that had lied constantly
throughout the struggle, a press that had endlessly repeated the
Foreign Policy Community's spin, and an economy based on war. It also
emerged without a clear idea of what to do next.

Some, like Dr. Michael Ledeen, argued that America needed to remain
militarily powerful because it was only natural that some other nation
would want to knock us off our perch. He saw America having a
messianic mission to spread freedom and democracy around the globe.
One could sum up Ledeen's choice as Pax Americana versus Eventual
Conquest.

Others felt it was time to return to the path laid out for us by the
Founders, who wanted us meek folks to stay home in peace and inherit
the earth after the rest of the world had blown itself to bits. This
would mean retiring from the Great Game, having a strong enough
military to protect the homeland and our immediate interests, ending
the National Security State, and restoring the Constitution and the
Republic.

While this debate rages, the world is setting itself up for yet
another bloodletting. People of different tribes and religions again
prepare for genocide for no other reason than it is the "right" thing
to do. Once upon a time there was little threat that such warfare
would reach our shores, but that is no longer the case, thanks to
Identity Politics.

The Melting Pot may have been a myth, but it was a very useful myth.
It permitted wave after wave of immigrants to put aside the ways of
the Old Country and become fully American. The arrival of Identity
Politics in the Seventies threatened this. Mario Cuomo waxed rhapsodic
about the Marvelous Mosaic, but this concept deterred assimilation and
began the balkanization of America at the worst possible moment, the
eve of another massive wave of immigration. Short of the public
schools or the draft, we now have no way of effectively assimilating
these new arrivals. With tribal and religious warfare now looming in
Europe and Asia, it ill behooves us to do anything that would dilute
the concept of being American and bring that warfare to our streets
and neighborhoods.

"America does not need to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy,"
because we have plenty of them at home.

===============

States' Rights and individualism are historically related. It would
seem to be good strategy, therefore, for a modern decentralization
movement to plot its course by the same star. -- Frank Chodorov
Bertie the Bunyip
2003-06-28 16:29:41 UTC
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Ya know, I think that Bush and co went in there for all the wrong reasons.
I think the WMD thing is a red herring and I thnk that him and his whole
mob are selfish, short-sighted halfwits that are going to collectively do
massive damage to the whole planet, physically, intellectually, politically
and socially.

It distresses me, therefore, when I see someone as obviously insane as you
are on my side.

So fuck off and die.


Bertie
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Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American
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"flaming" seen in this country.
A mysterious figure calling himself "Bertie the Bunyip" has upset local
Usenet newsgroups after a bizarre campaign that has included posting fake
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If someone burst into a cafe or pub and started yelling obscenities and
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2003-06-28 20:36:18 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 02:55:02 GMT, Hail to the Chimp
Post by Hail to the Chimp
Post by a***@justicemail.com
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:52:17 GMT, Hail to the Chimp
Post by Hail to the Chimp
Physically impossible...
And you are quite correct. See my other post.
Yes, the post where you admit all of your basic facts were wrong, but
claim they still support your conclusion.
No, the basic facts are that an engine was catapulted over the
Pentagon and landed in a parking lot in the direction that Flight 77
was traveling. I got 180 degrees turned around and called that
parking lot the south parking lot instead of the mall parking lot. It
doesn't change what happened. The remains of that engine, along with
the remains of the other engine, were then taken to the North parking
lot with other aircraft debris for examination. Those are the basic
facts.
Physically impossible.
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Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
a***@justicemail.com
2003-06-28 23:45:38 UTC
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Post by Hail to the Chimp
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by Hail to the Chimp
Yes, the post where you admit all of your basic facts were wrong, but
claim they still support your conclusion.
No, the basic facts are that an engine was catapulted over the
Pentagon and landed in a parking lot in the direction that Flight 77
was traveling. I got 180 degrees turned around and called that
parking lot the south parking lot instead of the mall parking lot. It
doesn't change what happened. The remains of that engine, along with
the remains of the other engine, were then taken to the North parking
lot with other aircraft debris for examination. Those are the basic
facts.
Physically impossible.
Why??? Because you say so? Why don't you tell us what is seen flying
over the Pentagon in the last frame of the parking lot camera video?
IR Baboon
2003-06-29 09:56:15 UTC
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Post by Hail to the Chimp
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by Hail to the Chimp
Yes, the post where you admit all of your basic facts were wrong, but
claim they still support your conclusion.
No, the basic facts are that an engine was catapulted over the
Pentagon and landed in a parking lot in the direction that Flight 77
was traveling. I got 180 degrees turned around and called that
parking lot the south parking lot instead of the mall parking lot.
It
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by Hail to the Chimp
Post by a***@justicemail.com
doesn't change what happened. The remains of that engine, along with
the remains of the other engine, were then taken to the North parking
lot with other aircraft debris for examination. Those are the basic
facts.
Physically impossible.
Why??? Because you say so?
I don't dictate the laws of physics, guy. Nothing could hit the Pentagon
at that angle, with that mass and velocity, and then fly OVER the
Pentagon. This is first grade stuff, guy. Try it with a rubber ball, for
starters. If you can bounce a rubber ball off of the ground, hitting the
wall, and then go OVER the wall, you might have a case.

But I'll bet you $1,000,000 that you can't.
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Why don't you tell us what is seen flying
over the Pentagon in the last frame of the parking lot camera video?
Not an engine, that's for sure. Why do you assume it is?

By the way, wouldn't that require a fucking PLANE in the video, in the
first place?
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Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
a***@justicemail.com
2003-06-29 21:41:30 UTC
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Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by Hail to the Chimp
Physically impossible.
Why??? Because you say so?
I don't dictate the laws of physics, guy.
You don't even know the laws of physics, troll.
Post by IR Baboon
Nothing could hit the Pentagon
at that angle, with that mass and velocity, and then fly OVER the
Pentagon. This is first grade stuff, guy. Try it with a rubber ball, for
starters. If you can bounce a rubber ball off of the ground, hitting the
wall, and then go OVER the wall, you might have a case.
Who said it ever hit the wall, troll?
Post by IR Baboon
But I'll bet you $1,000,000 that you can't.
Never said it did, troll. And you don't have a million dollars to
bet.
Post by IR Baboon
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Why don't you tell us what is seen flying
over the Pentagon in the last frame of the parking lot camera video?
Not an engine, that's for sure. Why do you assume it is?
Why do you assume it isn't?
Post by IR Baboon
By the way, wouldn't that require a fucking PLANE in the video, in the
first place?
Only in your cartoon world.
200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
2003-06-29 21:51:58 UTC
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Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by Hail to the Chimp
Physically impossible.
Why??? Because you say so?
I don't dictate the laws of physics, guy.
You don't even know the laws of physics, troll.
Post by IR Baboon
Nothing could hit the Pentagon
at that angle, with that mass and velocity, and then fly OVER the
Pentagon. This is first grade stuff, guy. Try it with a rubber ball,
for starters. If you can bounce a rubber ball off of the ground,
hitting the wall, and then go OVER the wall, you might have a case.
Who said it ever hit the wall, troll?
Post by IR Baboon
But I'll bet you $1,000,000 that you can't.
Never said it did, troll. And you don't have a million dollars to
bet.
Post by IR Baboon
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Why don't you tell us what is seen flying
over the Pentagon in the last frame of the parking lot camera video?
Not an engine, that's for sure. Why do you assume it is?
Why do you assume it isn't?
Post by IR Baboon
By the way, wouldn't that require a fucking PLANE in the video, in the
first place?
Only in your cartoon world.
Please tell us all how the engine, flying at 400+ MPH, bounced off of the
lawn, didn't leave a mark, and then flew either OVER or AWAY FROM the
Pentagon.

Maybe you could use some Microsoft Paint Program (TM) to get your point
across.
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Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
a***@justicemail.com
2003-06-30 01:24:45 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:51:58 GMT, "200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Please tell us all how the engine, flying at 400+ MPH, bounced off of the
lawn, didn't leave a mark, and then flew either OVER or AWAY FROM the
Pentagon.
And you know that it didn't leave a mark exactly how?

As to how it ended up in the mall parking lot, try an engineering
statics and dynamics course.
a***@justicemail.com
2003-06-30 21:36:49 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:36:23 GMT, "200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be
Post by a***@justicemail.com
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:51:58 GMT, "200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Please tell us all how the engine, flying at 400+ MPH, bounced off of
the lawn, didn't leave a mark, and then flew either OVER or AWAY FROM
the Pentagon.
And you know that it didn't leave a mark exactly how?
Show me a mark.
Show me that the earth isn't flat.
Post by a***@justicemail.com
As to how it ended up in the mall parking lot, try an engineering
And voodoo. Please find a single physicist that supports your claims. Go
ahead...
You won't find a physicist that will doubt physical evidence. But
then physicists aren't really the ones who would take up the fight.
Post by a***@justicemail.com
statics and dynamics course.
Try talking out of your ass less.
You first, troll.
Bertie the Bunyip
2003-07-01 00:55:43 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:36:23 GMT, "200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be
Post by a***@justicemail.com
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:51:58 GMT, "200 Dead American Soldiers Can't
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Please tell us all how the engine, flying at 400+ MPH, bounced off of
the lawn, didn't leave a mark, and then flew either OVER or AWAY FROM
the Pentagon.
And you know that it didn't leave a mark exactly how?
Show me a mark.
Show me that the earth isn't flat.
Brilliant.
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by a***@justicemail.com
As to how it ended up in the mall parking lot, try an engineering
And voodoo. Please find a single physicist that supports your claims.
Go ahead...
You won't find a physicist that will doubt physical evidence.
You have no physical evidence. You can't even find a citation for this
mystical flying engine. Can you?
Post by a***@justicemail.com
But
then physicists aren't really the ones who would take up the fight.
Most Americans are cowards.
Have you met ERICH!!!?

Bertie
a***@justicemail.com
2003-07-01 02:30:45 UTC
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:11:17 GMT, "200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be
Brilliant.
Why thank you.
You have no physical evidence. You can't even find a citation for this
mystical flying engine. Can you?
You really don't pay attention do you?

http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20010917/aw48.htm

"One of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building
and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main
building and the new loading dock facility, said Charles H. Krohn, the
Army's deputy chief of public affairs."
Post by a***@justicemail.com
But
then physicists aren't really the ones who would take up the fight.
Most Americans are cowards.
Except you, of course. You're just a joke.
200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
2003-07-01 04:28:43 UTC
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Post by a***@justicemail.com
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:11:17 GMT, "200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be
Brilliant.
Why thank you.
You have no physical evidence. You can't even find a citation for this
mystical flying engine. Can you?
You really don't pay attention do you?
http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20010917/aw48.htm
"One of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building
and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main
building and the new loading dock facility, said Charles H. Krohn, the
Army's deputy chief of public affairs."
This is the sum total of your evidence?

This miracle engine did no damage, anywhere?

Weren't there two engines claimed to be found inside, already?

Didn't the military deny that an engine had flown into a parking lot?

Aren't you really just wasting my time?
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by a***@justicemail.com
But
then physicists aren't really the ones who would take up the fight.
Most Americans are cowards.
Except you, of course. You're just a joke.
Magic bullet. Magic engine.
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http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
a***@justicemail.com
2003-07-01 23:29:33 UTC
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 04:28:43 GMT, "200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by a***@justicemail.com
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:11:17 GMT, "200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be
Brilliant.
Why thank you.
You have no physical evidence. You can't even find a citation for this
mystical flying engine. Can you?
You really don't pay attention do you?
http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20010917/aw48.htm
"One of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building
and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main
building and the new loading dock facility, said Charles H. Krohn, the
Army's deputy chief of public affairs."
This is the sum total of your evidence?
You got anything that contradicts it?
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
This miracle engine did no damage, anywhere?
And the engine at the WTC in New York that landed on the street did
what kind of damage?
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Weren't there two engines claimed to be found inside, already?
Nope, unless you can provide a cite.
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Didn't the military deny that an engine had flown into a parking lot?
Nope, unless you can provide a cite.
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Aren't you really just wasting my time?
I think you have that backwards.
oldickeastman
2003-06-27 05:25:04 UTC
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Agent 86 is saying that the engine bounced into the south lot?

No one says south lot. I thought that they meant the south lot,
because the North lot would be even more fantastic.

"Hail to the Chimp" -- great name! -- is right: AN engine was
placed in the north parking lot where it was seen by many. This
started the rumor that it had landed there, as people returned to work
and saw it in the days following the crash. etc.

------

Say, Agent 86, have you every thought about Zionism?



Why I am Anti-Zionist
by Dick Eastman

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dick_eastman_populism/message/22

Excerpt:

Here is how American Zionists are talking about Anglo-American war
crimes:

"...I was haunted by a congressional aide who said the absence of the
smoking guns of WMDs wouldn't 'sway public opinion much, ' because
'everyone loves to be on the winning side.' " -- Ellen Goodman
(Washington Post Writers Group)


Not good enough, Lady. A show of being "conflicted" about crimes
against humanity is nowhere near what the situation calls for. You
can't by your honor back that cheaply. None of us can.


Americans need open their eyes and face something.

Good soldiers stand for defense against foreign aggression and
international justice and for freedom

Bad soldiers don't.

Bad soldiers stand for "our football team" against "their
football team" and to hell with finding any reason for crushing bones
to determine the fate of the stupid damn ball!

I support the former. I am the enemy of the latter -- whichever team
they are playing for.

Both American and British soldiers today are fulfilling only the
function and exactly the function of the British "redcoats" and the
Hessian mercenaries of our Revolution and our War of 1812.

Is your son or daughter a bad soldier in this very bad war?

Then why the hell didn't you teach them to know the difference? Why
the hell didn't you teach them the difference between right and wrong?
the difference between national defense and murder and plunder as
hit-men for Zionism?

World War One was planned well before 1914. The plot for that war
which captured the wealth of Europe to War Debt lenders and the arms
industry and designed to take control of Mideast oil lands from the
Ottoman Empire; to crush the economic challenge of industrial giant
Germany; to bring down Britain's other great competitor, Russia, and
its liberal and sincerely patriotic Tsar; and, of supreme importance
to the Rothschilds, to create the new Zionist state in Palestine --
this was the goal of Anglo-American merchant banking houses. Bernard
Baruch took part in turning the thitherto populist Democratic Party
into a tool for the coming warfare state. Baruch had a key role in
derailing William Jennings Bryan and getting Wilson elected. Under
Wilson the Federal Reserve Act was past as was the National Income
Tax and the direct election of Senators (making the Senate the
cheapest legislative body of any major nation to buy and own.) All of
these measures were an active set up for the great World War One war
profiteering scam.

World War One was deliberately prolonged -- as long as the war
contracts remained profitable, as long as the war debt borrowed money
at compound interest, and as long as the oil lands were not yet
controlled. The flower of European manhood was cut down in the
trenches while the ruling elites allowed the war to be prolonged.

And how the civilized nation that finally surrendered to call a halt
to the carnage -- was made to take the blame for the war that the
Zionists engineered. ...

========

For full text and active links go here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dick_eastman_populism/message/22
Hail to the Chimp
2003-06-27 11:50:14 UTC
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Post by oldickeastman
Agent 86 is saying that the engine bounced into the south lot?
No one says south lot. I thought that they meant the south lot,
because the North lot would be even more fantastic.
"Hail to the Chimp" -- great name! -- is right: AN engine was
placed in the north parking lot where it was seen by many. This
started the rumor that it had landed there, as people returned to work
and saw it in the days following the crash. etc.
------
Say, Agent 86, have you every thought about Zionism?
Why I am Anti-Zionist
by Dick Eastman
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dick_eastman_populism/message/22
Here is how American Zionists are talking about Anglo-American war
"...I was haunted by a congressional aide who said the absence of the
smoking guns of WMDs wouldn't 'sway public opinion much, ' because
'everyone loves to be on the winning side.' " -- Ellen Goodman
(Washington Post Writers Group)
Not good enough, Lady. A show of being "conflicted" about crimes
against humanity is nowhere near what the situation calls for. You
can't by your honor back that cheaply. None of us can.
Americans need open their eyes and face something.
Good soldiers stand for defense against foreign aggression and
international justice and for freedom
Bad soldiers don't.
Bad soldiers stand for "our football team" against "their
football team" and to hell with finding any reason for crushing bones
to determine the fate of the stupid damn ball!
I support the former. I am the enemy of the latter -- whichever team
they are playing for.
Both American and British soldiers today are fulfilling only the
function and exactly the function of the British "redcoats" and the
Hessian mercenaries of our Revolution and our War of 1812.
Is your son or daughter a bad soldier in this very bad war?
Then why the hell didn't you teach them to know the difference? Why
the hell didn't you teach them the difference between right and wrong?
the difference between national defense and murder and plunder as
hit-men for Zionism?
World War One was planned well before 1914. The plot for that war
which captured the wealth of Europe to War Debt lenders and the arms
industry and designed to take control of Mideast oil lands from the
Ottoman Empire; to crush the economic challenge of industrial giant
Germany; to bring down Britain's other great competitor, Russia, and
its liberal and sincerely patriotic Tsar; and, of supreme importance
to the Rothschilds, to create the new Zionist state in Palestine --
this was the goal of Anglo-American merchant banking houses. Bernard
Baruch took part in turning the thitherto populist Democratic Party
into a tool for the coming warfare state. Baruch had a key role in
derailing William Jennings Bryan and getting Wilson elected. Under
Wilson the Federal Reserve Act was past as was the National Income
Tax and the direct election of Senators (making the Senate the
cheapest legislative body of any major nation to buy and own.) All of
these measures were an active set up for the great World War One war
profiteering scam.
World War One was deliberately prolonged -- as long as the war
contracts remained profitable, as long as the war debt borrowed money
at compound interest, and as long as the oil lands were not yet
controlled. The flower of European manhood was cut down in the
trenches while the ruling elites allowed the war to be prolonged.
And how the civilized nation that finally surrendered to call a halt
to the carnage -- was made to take the blame for the war that the
Zionists engineered. ...
========
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dick_eastman_populism/message/22
Dick, I have to say, this is a very bold, impressive stance. My hat is
off to you, sir.
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
Bertie the Bunyip
2003-06-27 15:06:55 UTC
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Post by Hail to the Chimp
Post by oldickeastman
Agent 86 is saying that the engine bounced into the south lot?
No one says south lot. I thought that they meant the south lot,
because the North lot would be even more fantastic.
"Hail to the Chimp" -- great name! -- is right: AN engine was
placed in the north parking lot where it was seen by many. This
started the rumor that it had landed there, as people returned to work
and saw it in the days following the crash. etc.
------
Say, Agent 86, have you every thought about Zionism?
Why I am Anti-Zionist
by Dick Eastman
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dick_eastman_populism/message/22
Here is how American Zionists are talking about Anglo-American war
"...I was haunted by a congressional aide who said the absence of the
smoking guns of WMDs wouldn't 'sway public opinion much, ' because
'everyone loves to be on the winning side.' " -- Ellen Goodman
(Washington Post Writers Group)
Not good enough, Lady. A show of being "conflicted" about crimes
against humanity is nowhere near what the situation calls for. You
can't by your honor back that cheaply. None of us can.
Americans need open their eyes and face something.
Good soldiers stand for defense against foreign aggression and
international justice and for freedom
Bad soldiers don't.
Bad soldiers stand for "our football team" against "their
football team" and to hell with finding any reason for crushing bones
to determine the fate of the stupid damn ball!
I support the former. I am the enemy of the latter -- whichever team
they are playing for.
Both American and British soldiers today are fulfilling only the
function and exactly the function of the British "redcoats" and the
Hessian mercenaries of our Revolution and our War of 1812.
Is your son or daughter a bad soldier in this very bad war?
Then why the hell didn't you teach them to know the difference? Why
the hell didn't you teach them the difference between right and wrong?
the difference between national defense and murder and plunder as
hit-men for Zionism?
World War One was planned well before 1914. The plot for that war
which captured the wealth of Europe to War Debt lenders and the arms
industry and designed to take control of Mideast oil lands from the
Ottoman Empire; to crush the economic challenge of industrial giant
Germany; to bring down Britain's other great competitor, Russia, and
its liberal and sincerely patriotic Tsar; and, of supreme importance
to the Rothschilds, to create the new Zionist state in Palestine --
this was the goal of Anglo-American merchant banking houses. Bernard
Baruch took part in turning the thitherto populist Democratic Party
into a tool for the coming warfare state. Baruch had a key role in
derailing William Jennings Bryan and getting Wilson elected. Under
Wilson the Federal Reserve Act was past as was the National Income
Tax and the direct election of Senators (making the Senate the
cheapest legislative body of any major nation to buy and own.) All of
these measures were an active set up for the great World War One war
profiteering scam.
World War One was deliberately prolonged -- as long as the war
contracts remained profitable, as long as the war debt borrowed money
at compound interest, and as long as the oil lands were not yet
controlled. The flower of European manhood was cut down in the
trenches while the ruling elites allowed the war to be prolonged.
And how the civilized nation that finally surrendered to call a halt
to the carnage -- was made to take the blame for the war that the
Zionists engineered. ...
========
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dick_eastman_populism/message/22
Dick, I have to say, this is a very bold, impressive stance. My hat is
off to you, sir.
One loon stroking another. Now there;s a surprise.

Bertie
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Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American
from taking part in online discussions following one of the worst cases of
"flaming" seen in this country.
A mysterious figure calling himself "Bertie the Bunyip" has upset local
Usenet newsgroups after a bizarre campaign that has included posting fake
photographs of a topless Queen Mother.
If someone burst into a cafe or pub and started yelling obscenities and
abusing everyone in sight, you might expect the manager to throw them out
or call the police.
IR Baboon
2003-06-29 09:59:18 UTC
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What to the physicists say about the too-small hole, the white-hot
explosion, the trail of thick white smoke etc.?
Dick, I'm afraid these "men of science" don't put forth an opinion unless
they are sure everyone else already agrees with them.
"Blackjack" the War Criminal -- The General Chosen by Wilson to Lead
our Forces in World War One was No Better than Tommy Franks
=============================
Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist
attacks on the United States forces in the Philippines by Muslim
extremists. So General Pershing captured 50 suspects and had them
tied to posts for execution.
He then had his men bring in two pigs and slaughter
them in front of the, now horrified, terrorists.
Muslims detest pork because they believe pigs are
filthy animals. Some of them simply refuse to eat it, while others
won't even touch pigs at all, nor any of their by- products. To
them, eating or touching a pig, its meat, its blood, etc., is to be
instantly barred from paradise and doomed to hell.
The soldiers then soaked their bullets in the pigs blood, and
proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad. The
soldiers then dug a big hole, dumped in the terrorist's bodies and
covered them in pig blood, entrails, etc.
He let the 50th man go.
===========
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=783
Capital Games by David Corn
Bush Misled US Into Iraq War--An Official Finding?
George W. Bush misled the nation into war.
Who says?
Representative Jane Harman, the ranking Democrat on the House
intelligence committee.
On the basis of what?
On the basis of information preliminarily reviewed by the intelligence
committee as part of its ongoing investigation into the prewar
intelligence on Iraq.
On June 25, during the House debate on the intelligence authorization
bill, Harman delivered an informal progress report on her committee's
inquiry. Her remarks received, as far as I can tell, little media
attention. But they are dramatic in that these comments are the first
quasi-findings from an official outlet confirming that Bush deployed
dishonest rhetoric in guiding the United States to invasion and
occupation in Iraq. This is not an op-ed judgment; this is an
evaluation from a member of the intelligence committee who claims to
be basing her statements on the investigative work of the committee.
* On Bush's prewar assertions about Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction: "When discussing Iraq's WMD, administration officials
rarely included the caveats and qualifiers attached to the
intelligence committee's judgments
.For many Americans, the
administration's certainty gave the impression that there was even
stronger intelligence about Iraq's possession of and intention to use
WMD."
* On the evidence upon which the WMD assertions were based: "The
committee is now investigating whether the intelligence case on Iraq's
WMD was based on circumstantial evidence rather than hard facts and
whether the intelligence community made clear to the policy-makers and
Congress that most of its analytic judgments were based on things like
aerial photographs and Iraqi defector interviews, not hard facts."
* On the supposed Hussein-al Qaeda connection: "[T]he investigation
suggests that the intelligence linking al Qaeda to Iraq, a prominent
theme in the administration's statements prior to the war, [was]
contrary to what was claimed by the administration."
She is not beating around the bush. She asserts that the President
overstated the WMD case, ignoring nuances and uncertainties in the
intelligence reporting, and created a false impression about what was
known about the threat posed by Iraq. She maintains that Bush rashly
claimed Hussein was in cahoots with the evildoers of 9/11, when
intelligence indicated otherwise. This is damning stuff. Never mind
all the recent claptrap from administration apologists about the Iraq
war having been fought for the good of the repressed Iraqis. The
primary rationale for the war Bush offered in public was based on two
notions: Iraq possessed ready-to-go WMDs and Saddam Hussein was in
league with al Qaeda and could slip these awful weapons to Osama bin
Laden at any moment. (Last fall, Bush exclaimed--with no caveats or
qualifiers--that Hussein was "dealing" with al Qaeda.) The danger,
Bush and his crew argued repeatedly, was imminent and real--so
clear-and-present that the United States could not afford to wait any
longer or take a chance on enhanced and more intrusive inspections.
Now Harman says Bush had no right to declare, as he did on March 17,
that "intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no
doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of
the most lethal weapons ever devised," or to say Hussein was a bin
Laden ally. Harman, a California moderate who is no hothead and who
voted for the Iraq war, is essentially branding Bush a liar. If her
remarks accurately reflect the committee's work, it means the
administration will be confronted with evidence it misrepresented
intelligence in its attempt to whip up support for the war. And it may
well be confronted in public. Harman notes that Representative Porter
Goss, the Republican chairman of the committee, has promised to hold
public hearings, perhaps in July, and to produce an unclassified
report as soon as possible. (Soon after Harman made her remarks on the
floor, Goss led a successful effort to defeat an amendment offered by
Representative Dennis Kucinich, a Democratic presidential candidate,
that would have required the inspector general of the CIA to
investigate the allegation that Vice President Dick Cheney pressured
the agency to produce reports supporting the administration's policy
on Iraq.)
"It is already clear that there were flaws in US intelligence," Harman
says. "Iraq's WMD was not located where the intelligence community
thought it might be. Chemical weapons were not used in the war despite
the intelligence community's judgment that their use was likely. I
urge this administration not to contemplate military action,
especially preemptive action, in Iran, North Korea or Syria until
these issues are cleared up." She also suggests that an independent
commission might be needed to examine the MIA WMD controversy.
Harman's statement was a sneak preview. If she is not blowing smoke,
Bush's prewar deceptions may end up more thoroughly substantiated than
was his case for war.
=============
To: Semitism_News
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: Fw: [apfn-1] (unknown)
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/recent/MABLondon03.cfm
Declaration By UK
Jews Opposed To Zionism
To Be Brought To The Attention Of Members Of Parliament
6-27-3
1. The Definition of the Neturei Karta group.
The Neturei Karta group is a spearhead group within the Jewish People,
who are prepared to stand up and express openly a religious and
humanitarian philosophy held in essence by large numbers (hundreds of
thousands) and possibly the majority of authentic Orthodox Jews. A
philosophy totally opposed to the attitude adopted by the Zionists and
to Zionism as a whole.
The philosophy in essence is that for the last two thousand years or
so the Jewish people have been in a state of exile decreed by the
A-lmighty. The Jews were exiled from their land because they did not
maintain the standards
expected of them. This state of exile is the situation that exists
right up to the present day. It is a basic part of our belief to
accept willingly the Heavenly decree of exile and not to try and fight
against it or to end it by our own hands. In practical terms, exile
for us means that Jews must be loyal subjects of the countries in
which they live and not attempt to rule over the established
indigenous populations of those countries. And of course this includes
Palestine.
The Zionist movement founded approximately 100 years ago based on
secular nationalistic aims, was a complete abandonment of our
religious teachings and faith - in general - and in particular
regarding our approach to our state of exile and to the peoples among
whom we live.
2. Neturei Karta's position towards Israel
The ideology of Zionism is to take the law into ones own hands and to
try to force the outcome in the form of a State irrespective of the
cost in life and property to anyone who stands in the way. The
Palestinians stood in the way.
The practical outcome of Zionism in the form of the State known as
'Israel' is completely alien to Judaism and the Jewish Faith and has
been and continues to be the cause of untold suffering and bloodshed
both Jewish and non-Jewish.
The apparent connection between Judaism and Zionism is false. The
connection has been nurtured by the Zionists in order to ensnare as
many Jews as possible within their net.
According to the Torah and Jewish faith, the present Palestinian Arab
claim to rule in Palestine is right and just. The Zionist claim is
wrong and criminal.
It follows, therefore, that the Jewish people have no right to rule
today in Palestine.
One must add to this wrong, the fact that in order to achieve an ill
conceived nationalistic ambition, a shocking contravention of natural
and
humanitarian justice was committed by the Zionists in setting up an
illegitimate regime in Palestine completely against the wishes of the
established population, the Palestinians, which inevitably had to be
based on loss of life, killing and stealing.
Our attitude to Israel is that the whole concept is flawed and
illegitimate. It is a tragedy for the Palestinians and also for the
Jewish people.
3. Neturei Karta's position towards Zionist Jews
The Zionists have made themselves to appear as the representatives and
spokespeople of all Jews thus, with their actions arousing animosity
against the Jews. But, this is simply not true! Zionism is not
Judaism. Zionists cannot speak in the name of Jews.
Although, it must be remembered that a large number of people living
within the Zionist State are there by force of circumstances and are
by no means ideological Zionists. Their support for the Zionist State
is by force of habit and circumstance. They would be quite happy to
live under a Muslim
regime if they would be allowed to do so in safety.
4. Neturei Karta's position towards Muslims and Arabs
The connection between Muslims and Jews goes right back into ancient
history. Mostly the relationship was friendly and mutually beneficial.
Historically, the situation frequently was that when Jews were being
persecuted in Europe they found refuge in the various Muslim
countries. Our attitude to Muslims and Arabs can only be one of
friendliness and respect.
To sum up.
We consider the Palestinians as the people with the right to govern in
Palestine.
The Zionist oppression, abuse and murder of Arabs is a tragedy not
only for the Palestinians but for the Jewish people as well.
The continuing existence of the Zionist State is the underlying cause
of the strife in Palestine.
It must be clear that opposition to Zionism and its crimes does not
imply hatred of Jews. On the contrary Zionism itself and its deeds are
the biggest threat to Judaism.
Governments of the world should realise that supporting Zionists and
Zionism is not helping Jews or Judaism but only perpetuates the tragic
impasse and constant bloodshed in the Middle East.
We are waiting for the annulment of Zionism and the dismantling of the
Zionist regime, and would welcome the opportunity to dwell in peace in
the holy land under a rule which is entirely in accordance with the
wishes of the Palestinian People.
We pray for a solution to the terrible and tragic impasse that exists.
Hopefully based on results brought about by moral, political and
economic pressures imposed by the nations of the world.
pp Neturei Karta - UK
Rabbi Ahron Cohen
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/recent/MABLondon03.cfm
=============
To: Semitism_News
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: Bush really says God told him to Attack
I read Bush's statement that God told him to strike at Saddam, and
more than anything else I've heard or read, this concerns me the most.
(Actually, it scares the hell out of me). George Bush has lied to
Congress, the American people, and the world. This administration has
falsified evidence, violated a host of international and domestic
laws, invaded a country that was not a threat to us, and we're using
DEPLETED URANIUM MUNITIONS!!??? and they claim not to know what gulf
war sickness is?? How about radiation poisoning! They've trampled on
the Constitution, bankrupted the country, and murdered American
soldiers and thousands of innocent civilians, INCLUDING THOSE KILLED
ON 9/11. It should be clear to anyone with a particle of sense that
19 guys with boxcutters could not hijack 4 planes, fly them into 3
buildings, and penetrate the defense net of the most powerful military
in human history without a lot of help from the inside. Now, it's God
who told George W. Bush to invade iraq! Look, I don't want to use
fancy language to say this, I'll say it plain: THIS MOTHERF_____ IS
AS CRAZY AS ANY SERIAL KILLER ON DEATH ROW. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld,
Powell all need to be impeached, removed from office, and subsequently
tried for war crimes at the hague. We are at a crossroads in human
history, and we, the american people have got to put a stop to this
slow-motion super catastrophe. They are killing men, women and
children in our name. We have to find a way to stop them. . Talk to
your friends, your elected reps, be proactive. Take back democracy,
and put the mass-murdering fascists on death row where they belong.
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
Bertie the Bunyip
2003-06-30 20:07:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by IR Baboon
What to the physicists say about the too-small hole, the white-hot
explosion, the trail of thick white smoke etc.?
Dick, I'm afraid these "men of science" don't put forth an opinion
unless they are sure everyone else already agrees with them.
Dcki, don't you find it difficult jerking off with those socks on?

Bertie
Post by IR Baboon
"Blackjack" the War Criminal -- The General Chosen by Wilson to Lead
our Forces in World War One was No Better than Tommy Franks
=============================
Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist
attacks on the United States forces in the Philippines by Muslim
extremists. So General Pershing captured 50 suspects and had them
tied to posts for execution.
He then had his men bring in two pigs and slaughter
them in front of the, now horrified, terrorists.
Muslims detest pork because they believe pigs are
filthy animals. Some of them simply refuse to eat it, while others
won't even touch pigs at all, nor any of their by- products. To
them, eating or touching a pig, its meat, its blood, etc., is to be
instantly barred from paradise and doomed to hell.
The soldiers then soaked their bullets in the pigs blood, and
proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad. The
soldiers then dug a big hole, dumped in the terrorist's bodies and
covered them in pig blood, entrails, etc.
He let the 50th man go.
===========
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=783
Capital Games by David Corn
Bush Misled US Into Iraq War--An Official Finding?
George W. Bush misled the nation into war.
Who says?
Representative Jane Harman, the ranking Democrat on the House
intelligence committee.
On the basis of what?
On the basis of information preliminarily reviewed by the intelligence
committee as part of its ongoing investigation into the prewar
intelligence on Iraq.
On June 25, during the House debate on the intelligence authorization
bill, Harman delivered an informal progress report on her committee's
inquiry. Her remarks received, as far as I can tell, little media
attention. But they are dramatic in that these comments are the first
quasi-findings from an official outlet confirming that Bush deployed
dishonest rhetoric in guiding the United States to invasion and
occupation in Iraq. This is not an op-ed judgment; this is an
evaluation from a member of the intelligence committee who claims to
be basing her statements on the investigative work of the committee.
* On Bush's prewar assertions about Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction: "When discussing Iraq's WMD, administration officials
rarely included the caveats and qualifiers attached to the
intelligence committee's judgments
.For many Americans, the
administration's certainty gave the impression that there was even
stronger intelligence about Iraq's possession of and intention to use
WMD."
* On the evidence upon which the WMD assertions were based: "The
committee is now investigating whether the intelligence case on Iraq's
WMD was based on circumstantial evidence rather than hard facts and
whether the intelligence community made clear to the policy-makers and
Congress that most of its analytic judgments were based on things like
aerial photographs and Iraqi defector interviews, not hard facts."
* On the supposed Hussein-al Qaeda connection: "[T]he investigation
suggests that the intelligence linking al Qaeda to Iraq, a prominent
theme in the administration's statements prior to the war, [was]
contrary to what was claimed by the administration."
She is not beating around the bush. She asserts that the President
overstated the WMD case, ignoring nuances and uncertainties in the
intelligence reporting, and created a false impression about what was
known about the threat posed by Iraq. She maintains that Bush rashly
claimed Hussein was in cahoots with the evildoers of 9/11, when
intelligence indicated otherwise. This is damning stuff. Never mind
all the recent claptrap from administration apologists about the Iraq
war having been fought for the good of the repressed Iraqis. The
primary rationale for the war Bush offered in public was based on two
notions: Iraq possessed ready-to-go WMDs and Saddam Hussein was in
league with al Qaeda and could slip these awful weapons to Osama bin
Laden at any moment. (Last fall, Bush exclaimed--with no caveats or
qualifiers--that Hussein was "dealing" with al Qaeda.) The danger,
Bush and his crew argued repeatedly, was imminent and real--so
clear-and-present that the United States could not afford to wait any
longer or take a chance on enhanced and more intrusive inspections.
Now Harman says Bush had no right to declare, as he did on March 17,
that "intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no
doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of
the most lethal weapons ever devised," or to say Hussein was a bin
Laden ally. Harman, a California moderate who is no hothead and who
voted for the Iraq war, is essentially branding Bush a liar. If her
remarks accurately reflect the committee's work, it means the
administration will be confronted with evidence it misrepresented
intelligence in its attempt to whip up support for the war. And it may
well be confronted in public. Harman notes that Representative Porter
Goss, the Republican chairman of the committee, has promised to hold
public hearings, perhaps in July, and to produce an unclassified
report as soon as possible. (Soon after Harman made her remarks on the
floor, Goss led a successful effort to defeat an amendment offered by
Representative Dennis Kucinich, a Democratic presidential candidate,
that would have required the inspector general of the CIA to
investigate the allegation that Vice President Dick Cheney pressured
the agency to produce reports supporting the administration's policy
on Iraq.)
"It is already clear that there were flaws in US intelligence," Harman
says. "Iraq's WMD was not located where the intelligence community
thought it might be. Chemical weapons were not used in the war despite
the intelligence community's judgment that their use was likely. I
urge this administration not to contemplate military action,
especially preemptive action, in Iran, North Korea or Syria until
these issues are cleared up." She also suggests that an independent
commission might be needed to examine the MIA WMD controversy.
Harman's statement was a sneak preview. If she is not blowing smoke,
Bush's prewar deceptions may end up more thoroughly substantiated than
was his case for war.
=============
To: Semitism_News
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: Fw: [apfn-1] (unknown)
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/recent/MABLondon03.cfm
Declaration By UK
Jews Opposed To Zionism
To Be Brought To The Attention Of Members Of Parliament 6-27-3
1. The Definition of the Neturei Karta group.
The Neturei Karta group is a spearhead group within the Jewish People,
who are prepared to stand up and express openly a religious and
humanitarian philosophy held in essence by large numbers (hundreds of
thousands) and possibly the majority of authentic Orthodox Jews. A
philosophy totally opposed to the attitude adopted by the Zionists and
to Zionism as a whole.
The philosophy in essence is that for the last two thousand years or
so the Jewish people have been in a state of exile decreed by the
A-lmighty. The Jews were exiled from their land because they did not
maintain the standards
expected of them. This state of exile is the situation that exists
right up to the present day. It is a basic part of our belief to
accept willingly the Heavenly decree of exile and not to try and fight
against it or to end it by our own hands. In practical terms, exile
for us means that Jews must be loyal subjects of the countries in
which they live and not attempt to rule over the established
indigenous populations of those countries. And of course this includes
Palestine.
The Zionist movement founded approximately 100 years ago based on
secular nationalistic aims, was a complete abandonment of our
religious teachings and faith - in general - and in particular
regarding our approach to our state of exile and to the peoples among
whom we live.
2. Neturei Karta's position towards Israel
The ideology of Zionism is to take the law into ones own hands and to
try to force the outcome in the form of a State irrespective of the
cost in life and property to anyone who stands in the way. The
Palestinians stood in the way.
The practical outcome of Zionism in the form of the State known as
'Israel' is completely alien to Judaism and the Jewish Faith and has
been and continues to be the cause of untold suffering and bloodshed
both Jewish and non-Jewish.
The apparent connection between Judaism and Zionism is false. The
connection has been nurtured by the Zionists in order to ensnare as
many Jews as possible within their net.
According to the Torah and Jewish faith, the present Palestinian Arab
claim to rule in Palestine is right and just. The Zionist claim is
wrong and criminal.
It follows, therefore, that the Jewish people have no right to rule
today in Palestine.
One must add to this wrong, the fact that in order to achieve an ill
conceived nationalistic ambition, a shocking contravention of natural
and
humanitarian justice was committed by the Zionists in setting up an
illegitimate regime in Palestine completely against the wishes of the
established population, the Palestinians, which inevitably had to be
based on loss of life, killing and stealing.
Our attitude to Israel is that the whole concept is flawed and
illegitimate. It is a tragedy for the Palestinians and also for the
Jewish people.
3. Neturei Karta's position towards Zionist Jews
The Zionists have made themselves to appear as the representatives and
spokespeople of all Jews thus, with their actions arousing animosity
against the Jews. But, this is simply not true! Zionism is not
Judaism. Zionists cannot speak in the name of Jews.
Although, it must be remembered that a large number of people living
within the Zionist State are there by force of circumstances and are
by no means ideological Zionists. Their support for the Zionist State
is by force of habit and circumstance. They would be quite happy to
live under a Muslim
regime if they would be allowed to do so in safety.
4. Neturei Karta's position towards Muslims and Arabs
The connection between Muslims and Jews goes right back into ancient
history. Mostly the relationship was friendly and mutually beneficial.
Historically, the situation frequently was that when Jews were being
persecuted in Europe they found refuge in the various Muslim
countries. Our attitude to Muslims and Arabs can only be one of
friendliness and respect.
To sum up.
We consider the Palestinians as the people with the right to govern in
Palestine.
The Zionist oppression, abuse and murder of Arabs is a tragedy not
only for the Palestinians but for the Jewish people as well.
The continuing existence of the Zionist State is the underlying cause
of the strife in Palestine.
It must be clear that opposition to Zionism and its crimes does not
imply hatred of Jews. On the contrary Zionism itself and its deeds are
the biggest threat to Judaism.
Governments of the world should realise that supporting Zionists and
Zionism is not helping Jews or Judaism but only perpetuates the tragic
impasse and constant bloodshed in the Middle East.
We are waiting for the annulment of Zionism and the dismantling of the
Zionist regime, and would welcome the opportunity to dwell in peace in
the holy land under a rule which is entirely in accordance with the
wishes of the Palestinian People.
We pray for a solution to the terrible and tragic impasse that exists.
Hopefully based on results brought about by moral, political and
economic pressures imposed by the nations of the world.
pp Neturei Karta - UK
Rabbi Ahron Cohen
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/recent/MABLondon03.cfm
=============
To: Semitism_News
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: Bush really says God told him to Attack
I read Bush's statement that God told him to strike at Saddam, and
more than anything else I've heard or read, this concerns me the most.
(Actually, it scares the hell out of me). George Bush has lied to
Congress, the American people, and the world. This administration has
falsified evidence, violated a host of international and domestic
laws, invaded a country that was not a threat to us, and we're using
DEPLETED URANIUM MUNITIONS!!??? and they claim not to know what gulf
war sickness is?? How about radiation poisoning! They've trampled on
the Constitution, bankrupted the country, and murdered American
soldiers and thousands of innocent civilians, INCLUDING THOSE KILLED
ON 9/11. It should be clear to anyone with a particle of sense that
19 guys with boxcutters could not hijack 4 planes, fly them into 3
buildings, and penetrate the defense net of the most powerful military
in human history without a lot of help from the inside. Now, it's God
who told George W. Bush to invade iraq! Look, I don't want to use
fancy language to say this, I'll say it plain: THIS MOTHERF_____ IS
AS CRAZY AS ANY SERIAL KILLER ON DEATH ROW. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld,
Powell all need to be impeached, removed from office, and subsequently
tried for war crimes at the hague. We are at a crossroads in human
history, and we, the american people have got to put a stop to this
slow-motion super catastrophe. They are killing men, women and
children in our name. We have to find a way to stop them. . Talk to
your friends, your elected reps, be proactive. Take back democracy,
and put the mass-murdering fascists on death row where they belong.
greywolf42
2003-07-06 22:03:12 UTC
Permalink
What to the physicists say about the too-small hole, the white-hot
explosion, the trail of thick white smoke etc.?
"Blackjack" the War Criminal -- The General Chosen by Wilson to Lead
our Forces in World War One was No Better than Tommy Franks
=============================
Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist
attacks on the United States forces in the Philippines by Muslim
extremists. So General Pershing captured 50 suspects and had them
tied to posts for execution.
He then had his men bring in two pigs and slaughter
them in front of the, now horrified, terrorists.
Muslims detest pork because they believe pigs are
filthy animals. Some of them simply refuse to eat it, while others
won't even touch pigs at all, nor any of their by- products. To
them, eating or touching a pig, its meat, its blood, etc., is to be
instantly barred from paradise and doomed to hell.
The soldiers then soaked their bullets in the pigs blood, and
proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad. The
soldiers then dug a big hole, dumped in the terrorist's bodies and
covered them in pig blood, entrails, etc.
He let the 50th man go.
"oldickeastman" makes a good point!
As can be seen, General Pershing 's primitive actions
did not work, and the conflict is still going on in the Philippines.
Common sense and experience clearly demonstrate
that it is better to build bridges between people,
rather than walls.
--
Tom Potter http://tompotter.us
I am of the opinion that Pershing "threatened" this... but did not
actually
attempt it. I think he would have had a mass revolt on his hands if he
had.

LOL!

Have you read nothing about the "Phillipine Insurrection" (sic)? Pershing's
actions were not novel -- and the "Phillipine Insurrection" was still going
on -- even though the US had "declared victory."

greywolf42
ubi dubium ibi libertas
a***@justicemail.com
2003-06-27 01:05:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by a***@justicemail.com
I don't think he said when he saw the two engines there, did he? And
the engine that landed in the parking lot did not land in the north
lot. Why does what he said contradict the statement by Charles
Krohn?
http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20010917/aw48.htm
"One of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building
and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main
building and the new loading dock facility, said Charles H. Krohn, the
Army's deputy chief of public affairs."
Note: The described location is NOT in the north parking lot.
" I saw the remains of the engines in the North parking lot of the
Pentagon as well as melted aluminum and other debris left from the
aircraft."
Lt Col (ret) Tom McClain
Arlington, VA
But note he doesn't say when he saw them. And it is well established
that the aircraft wreckage at the Pentagon was taken to the north
parking lot for examination. Given the direction of travel of the
aircraft (roughly southwest),
I'm afraid I have to "eat" my words here. The aircraft was traveling
northwest on impact, not southwest.
Post by a***@justicemail.com
neither engine could have ended up in
the NORTH parking lot on its own. See
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/history-features.htm for a photograph
of the Pentagon Mall entrance and the new loading dock facility
looking north.
Actually, looking south.
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Also at
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/renovator/RenovatorWinter2001-RDF.pdf
Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on the right hand face of the building
visible in the picture, heading southwest.
Again, heading northwest.
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Another overhead view can
be seen at http://renovation.pentagon.mil/projects-RDF.htm
In addition, the parking lot camera pictures, you can clearly see
large debris flying over the top of the building.
Now, can this argument please be put to bed? The engine landed in the
SOUTH parking lot
And again, I've gotten my directions and parking lot names confused.
The engine landed in what is called the "Mall Parking Lot", not the
south lot. See
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/pentagonmap_091301.htm
for the correct orientation.
Post by a***@justicemail.com
between the main building and the new loading dock
facility. During cleanup, it was taken to the NORTH parking lot with
the rest of the aircraft debris.
But the conclusion remains the same.

BTW, Ron, nice website.....
Ron Harvey
2003-06-27 15:45:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by a***@justicemail.com
.....
Post by Ron Harvey
Excellent work. The disinfo people are scared to touch this one. As an
aside, did you see Andy Carol cling tenaciously to the story about the
engine landing in a parking lot?
Sgt Lagasse says he saw TWO engines in the North Parking Lot.
Do you say that he's lying?
I don't think he said when he saw the two engines there, did he? And
the engine that landed in the parking lot did not land in the north
lot. Why does what he said contradict the statement by Charles
Krohn?
http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20010917/aw48.htm
"One of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building
and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main
building and the new loading dock facility, said Charles H. Krohn, the
Army's deputy chief of public affairs."
Note: The described location is NOT in the north parking lot.
" I saw the remains of the engines in the North parking lot of the
Pentagon as well as melted aluminum and other debris left from the
aircraft."
Lt Col (ret) Tom McClain
Arlington, VA
But note he doesn't say when he saw them. And it is well established
that the aircraft wreckage at the Pentagon was taken to the north
parking lot for examination. Given the direction of travel of the
aircraft (roughly southwest), neither engine could have ended up in
the NORTH parking lot on its own. See
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/history-features.htm for a photograph
of the Pentagon Mall entrance and the new loading dock facility
looking north. Also at
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/renovator/RenovatorWinter2001-RDF.pdf
Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on the right hand face of the building
visible in the picture, heading southwest. Another overhead view can
be seen at http://renovation.pentagon.mil/projects-RDF.htm
In addition, the parking lot camera pictures, you can clearly see
large debris flying over the top of the building.
Now, can this argument please be put to bed? The engine landed in the
SOUTH parking lot between the main building and the new loading dock
facility.
No.

Upside down again.

The plane was heading north east, not south west.

Wrong loading dock.

The Mall area is to the north of the Pentagon.

The main loading dock is the 'RDF':
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/projects-RDF.htm
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/REFDATA/RTC2002_web_IIe.pdf
Everyman
2003-06-28 15:59:00 UTC
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Time to take down Ron Harvey. Everyone watch closely.
Post by Ron Harvey
No.
Upside down again.
The plane was heading north east, not south west.
What a clown that Ron Harvey is. A man writes that the plane hit from
the southwest -- and you "correct him" with insult, by saying the
plane was "heading north east."

These are the "triumphs" that make Harvey legendary. Pure diabolical
farce.

We have it right -- and Harvey can spin his pile of horse shit all he
wants -- it just makes creamier horse shit, not a coherent objection.

Notice how Agent 86 and Harvey are working so closely kneeding and
shaping the shit into such interesting and impossible shapes.

---------

Too small hole. Too short plane. One engine. No engine flying to
the north parking lot -- by all accounts. That story was retracted
only a few days after it emerged -- a Pentagon worker returning to
work on a subsequent day did not realize that the debris in the
parking lot was all about.

Any witness who saw the engine sitting there on day one can call me
and get a their story posted in full without commentary on all the
leading "small plane" websites -- I know the investigators, that they
are honest and objective and wanting all the facts out.

Witnesses write or call:

Dick Eastman
223 S. 64th Ave.
Yakima, Washington 98908

(509) 965-4893
***@nwinfo.net


Or Harvey can give us names of witnesses who saw the engine in the lot
on the first day! How about it, Mr. Researcher and expert. You
should have a name in mind -- if you are not lying and bluffing as
usual.

Put up or f---ing shut up. (You too, Agent 86.)


==========

And while we are here:

UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw accused of blocking inquiry into
"dodgy dossier" used to justify war.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$3OWU1LEA3KAQDQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2003/06/28/nstraw28.xml/

Before he ordered U.S. forces to kill and maim tens of thousands of
innocent
Iraqi soldiers and civilians, Bush and Co. repeatedly maintained that
they
had absolute proof that Saddam Hussein still possessed WMDs. "There is
no
doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Dick
Cheney said in August. In January, Ari Fleisher said: "We know for a
fact that there are weapons there." WMDs; not a "WMD program" as they
now refer to it. WMDs--not just indications of possible, or probable,
WMDs. ... During the first days of the war, Defense Secretary Donald
Rumsfeld stared into television cameras, looked right at his employers
(that's you and me), and said that he knew exactly where they were.
"We know where they are," Rumsfeld said. "They are in the area around
Tikrit and Baghdad."
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0627-02.htm




U.S. military commanders have ordered a halt to local elections and
self-rule in provincial cities and towns across Iraq, choosing instead
to install their own handpicked mayors and administrators, many of
whom are former Iraqi military leaders.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42905-2003Jun27.html?


The British Army offered an apparent amnesty yesterday to those
responsible
for the deaths of six Royal Military Police officers in southern Iraq.

Helicopters dropped leaflets on the town of Majar al-Kabir, promising:
"We will not return to punish anyone since these are the methods of
Saddam's regime. Coalition forces are sorry for the loss of the people
of Majar ... we will return to Majar to make good relations with you
and all the people." ... The leaflets were distributed after British
officers had consulted a local civic leader, Abu Hatem Qarim Mahoud.
... Any suggestion that the killers remain unpunished is likely to
lead to an angry reaction in Britain. The parents of one of the dead
men accused the Army of putting their son and his comrades at risk.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=419688


Cheney, Forgery and the CIA -- Not Business as Usual: As though this
were normal! I mean the repeated visits Vice President Dick Cheney
made to the CIA before the war in Iraq. The visits were, in fact,
unprecedented. During my 27-year career at the Central Intelligence
Agency, no vice president ever came to us for a working visit.
http://www.counterpunch.org/mcgovern06272003.html


Welcome to the Machine -- How the GOP disciplined K Street and made
Bush supreme: ... Like the urban Democratic machines of yore, this
one is built upon patronage, contracts, and one-party rule. But unlike
legendary Chicago mayor Richard J. Daley, who rewarded party
functionaries with jobs in the municipal bureaucracy, the GOP is
building its machine outside government, among Washington's thousands
of trade associations and corporate offices, their tens of thousands
of employees, and the hundreds of millions of dollars in political
money at their disposal. ...
It's convened every Tuesday morning by Rick Santorum, the junior
senator from Pennsylvania, in the privacy of a Capitol Hill conference
room, for a handpicked group of two dozen or so Republican lobbyists.
Occasionally, one or two other senators or a representative from the
White House will attend. Democrats are not invited, and neither is the
press. The chief purpose of these gatherings is to discuss
jobs--specifically, the top one or two positions at the biggest and
most important industry trade associations and corporate offices
centered around Washington's K Street, a canyon of nondescript office
buildings a few blocks north of the White House that is to
influence-peddling what Wall Street is to finance. In the past, those
people were about as likely to be Democrats as Republicans, a practice
that ensured K Street firms would have clout no matter which party was
in
power. But beginning with the Republican takeover of Congress in 1994,
and accelerating in 2001, when George W. Bush became president, the
GOP has made a determined effort to undermine the bipartisan
complexion of K Street.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0307.confessore.html



Leading Iraqis have denounced proposals to deploy Indian peace
keepers in their country, saying Iraqis alone should be responsible
for their security. ... The Iraqi reactions follow continuing
political and military tensions within the country, which has been
occupied by US and British troops and a small Polish contingent since
the end of April.
http://www.rediff.com/us/2003/jun/28iraq.htm


US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, is discussing the idea of an
international peacekeeping force which could be dispatched to
maintain order in the world's trouble spots.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,986881,00.html


What shines through all the letters Rachel Corrie wrote home and which
were subsequently published in the London Guardian, is the amazing
resistance put up by the Palestinian people themselves, average human
beings stuck in the most terrible position of suffering and despair
but continuing to survive just the same. [Corrie was the peace worker
murdered by the driver of an Israeli bulldozer that was flattening a
Palestinian household, driving right over her and then backing up.]
http://iviews.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IV0306-2017


The decision of Downing Street's communications director to emerge
from the shadows was taken at the last minute, after he erupted in
fury at the BBC's decision to stand by its controversial story about
the government's use of intelligence on Iraq. ... An interview
request from Channel 4 had been politely turned down earlier in the
day, a point Mr Campbell reiterated in a telephone conversation with
Snow at 6.45pm - just 15 minutes before the programme went on air.
... "Then suddenly in my earpiece at 7.04pm I was told Alastair
Campbell has entered the building," Snow said last night. "In two
minutes he was sitting in front of me unannounced. He was angry." ...
Scowling and barely able to control his rage, Mr Campbell mixed up his
syntax as he let rip. "This is an attempt by the government to get the
BBC to admit that a fundamental attack upon the integrity of the
government, the prime minister, the intelligence agencies - let alone
the evil spin doctors in the dark who do their dirty works in the
minds of a lot of journalists - let them just accept for once they
have got it wrong."
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/media/story/0,12123,986917,00.html


Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says the almost daily attacks on U.S.-led
forces in Iraq do not constitute a guerrilla war. ... Mr. Rumsfeld
instead blamed the deadly attacks on remnants and sympathizers of the
ousted Saddam Hussein regime. He also said common criminals are behind
some attacks, noting that Saddam Hussein freed almost 100,000
prisoners before the U.S.-led invasion. .. The Defense Department
says a team of five private experts is headed to Iraq to advise U.S.
administrators on ways to stabilize the country. The team is led by
former President Bill Clinton's deputy defense minister, John Hamre.
http://www.bakutoday.net/view.php?d=5162


British MP George Galloway filed a libel suit Friday "the Queen's
newspaper" that claimed he took money from Saddam Hussein's Iraqi
regime. In April, the Telegraph claimed to have found a memo to Mr.
Hussein from the Iraqi intelligence service saying that Mr. Galloway
had asked an Iraqi agent
for a larger cut of Iraq's exports under the oil-for-food program.
Crime-lab analysis of the ink on the pages show the pages, although
variously dated with some dates over two years past, we all written
just three months ago. That and wording and format show they are
forgeries that must have originated within the British intelligence
system itself. Last week, another newspaper, the Boston-based
Christian Science Monitor, a semi-official news organ of the American
ruling elite, acknowledged that documents it had used to make similar
allegations were also forgeries. Mr. Galloway plans to sue the Monitor
as well.
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030627.wgall0627/BNStory/International/


Blair backs removal of all dictators: Tony Blair has privately told
aides the world's democracies should not hesitate to topple dictators
[they dont like.] ... The suggestion that the US, Britain and other
leading powers should be involved in repeated regime-change goes much
farther than anything the Prime Minister has said in public.
http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/5522245


A row between Britain's biggest broadcaster and Prime Minister Tony
Blair over the government's use of intelligence information in making
the case for war in Iraq has turned personal - and nasty.
http://tinyurl.com/fhps
IR Baboon
2003-06-28 20:34:53 UTC
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Post by Ron Harvey
No.
Upside down again.
The plane was heading north east, not south west.
Correct, I made a mistake.
Post by Ron Harvey
Wrong loading dock.
No, it's the right loading dock, I just made a mistake and called it
the South parking lot instead of the Mall parking lot.
Post by Ron Harvey
The Mall area is to the north of the Pentagon.
Quite right.
Which is on the northern side of the building.
The engine landed in the Mall parking lot between the building and the
RDF and was taken to the North parking lot with the other debris for
examination.
Again, physically impossible.
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
a***@justicemail.com
2003-06-28 23:43:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by IR Baboon
The engine landed in the Mall parking lot between the building and the
RDF and was taken to the North parking lot with the other debris for
examination.
Again, physically impossible.
Why??
IR Baboon
2003-06-29 09:52:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by IR Baboon
The engine landed in the Mall parking lot between the building and the
RDF and was taken to the North parking lot with the other debris for
examination.
Again, physically impossible.
Why??
You can't have it both ways. If the mass and velocity was sufficient to
drive one engine through several walls, then the second one would have
behaved in the same manner.

Or maybe you can show me an impact point where this massive projectile
"bounced" off of.

You're worse than a shill. You're an amateur shill. Tell us how the thin
aluminium all went into the building, but the giant engine flew the
opposite way of everything else.
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
2003-06-29 21:50:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by IR Baboon
Post by IR Baboon
Again, physically impossible.
Why??
You can't have it both ways. If the mass and velocity was sufficient to
drive one engine through several walls, then the second one would have
behaved in the same manner.
Not if it hit the ground first.
But...it...didn't... It would have stuck in the ground. Or is the ground
made of something I don't know about. Flubber?
Post by IR Baboon
Or maybe you can show me an impact point where this massive projectile
"bounced" off of.
Just because such a point is not apparent in the available
photographs, doesn't mean that it wasn't there. Lots of things
happened that would have obscured it, like parts of the building fell
on it perhaps.
Ah, of course. It hit the ground, didn't leave a mark, hit the wall,
didn't leave a mark, then flew into a parking lot.
Post by IR Baboon
You're worse than a shill. You're an amateur shill.
Pot, Kettle, Black, troll.
As trolls go, I am a professional. I shill only for free inquiry.
Post by IR Baboon
Tell us how the thin
aluminium all went into the building, but the giant engine flew the
opposite way of everything else.
The "thin aluminum" didn't all go into the building. Now tell us what
is flying over the building in the last frame of the parking lot
camera.
Debris?

Hey, fucker. How about you show me a PLANE in the video first, before you
talk about engines...
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
a***@justicemail.com
2003-06-30 01:30:03 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:50:01 GMT, "200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by IR Baboon
Post by IR Baboon
Again, physically impossible.
Why??
You can't have it both ways. If the mass and velocity was sufficient to
drive one engine through several walls, then the second one would have
behaved in the same manner.
Not if it hit the ground first.
But...it...didn't... It would have stuck in the ground.
Why?
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Or is the ground
made of something I don't know about. Flubber?
You don't know about much of anything, troll.
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by IR Baboon
Or maybe you can show me an impact point where this massive projectile
"bounced" off of.
Just because such a point is not apparent in the available
photographs, doesn't mean that it wasn't there. Lots of things
happened that would have obscured it, like parts of the building fell
on it perhaps.
Ah, of course. It hit the ground, didn't leave a mark, hit the wall,
didn't leave a mark, then flew into a parking lot.
No one has ever said it didn't leave a mark on the ground, troll. And
it obviously never hit the wall of the building.
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by IR Baboon
You're worse than a shill. You're an amateur shill.
Pot, Kettle, Black, troll.
As trolls go, I am a professional. I shill only for free inquiry.
You are practiced at trolling. That doesn't make you any more a
professional troll than you are a professional musician.
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by IR Baboon
Tell us how the thin
aluminium all went into the building, but the giant engine flew the
opposite way of everything else.
The "thin aluminum" didn't all go into the building. Now tell us what
is flying over the building in the last frame of the parking lot
camera.
Debris?
Yeah, like an engine.
200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
2003-06-30 01:40:44 UTC
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Post by a***@justicemail.com
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:50:01 GMT, "200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by IR Baboon
Post by IR Baboon
Again, physically impossible.
Why??
You can't have it both ways. If the mass and velocity was sufficient
to drive one engine through several walls, then the second one would
have behaved in the same manner.
Not if it hit the ground first.
But...it...didn't... It would have stuck in the ground.
Why?
Duh... ask a 6-year old for help.
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Or is the ground
made of something I don't know about. Flubber?
You don't know about much of anything, troll.
I, along with everyone reading your desperate attempt, know you are full
of shit, my brown-eyed friend.
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by IR Baboon
Or maybe you can show me an impact point where this massive
projectile "bounced" off of.
Just because such a point is not apparent in the available
photographs, doesn't mean that it wasn't there. Lots of things
happened that would have obscured it, like parts of the building
fell on it perhaps.
Ah, of course. It hit the ground, didn't leave a mark, hit the wall,
didn't leave a mark, then flew into a parking lot.
No one has ever said it didn't leave a mark on the ground, troll. And
it obviously never hit the wall of the building.
Obviously. And there was no mark on the ground, troll.

Maybe you can find us one?


Tell me, how is it the engine can penetrate the Pentagon, but would
bounce off of grass?
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by IR Baboon
You're worse than a shill. You're an amateur shill.
Pot, Kettle, Black, troll.
As trolls go, I am a professional. I shill only for free inquiry.
You are practiced at trolling. That doesn't make you any more a
professional troll than you are a professional musician.
And you are considerably less skilled than me at everything.
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by IR Baboon
Tell us how the thin
aluminium all went into the building, but the giant engine flew the
opposite way of everything else.
The "thin aluminum" didn't all go into the building. Now tell us
what is flying over the building in the last frame of the parking
lot camera.
Debris?
Yeah, like an engine.
Flying in the opposite direction it should be moving in...
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
a***@justicemail.com
2003-07-01 02:23:01 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:40:44 GMT, "200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by a***@justicemail.com
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:50:01 GMT, "200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by IR Baboon
Post by IR Baboon
Again, physically impossible.
Why??
You can't have it both ways. If the mass and velocity was sufficient
to drive one engine through several walls, then the second one would
have behaved in the same manner.
Not if it hit the ground first.
But...it...didn't... It would have stuck in the ground.
Why?
Duh... ask a 6-year old for help.
A six year old might know. You on the other hand....
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Or is the ground
made of something I don't know about. Flubber?
You don't know about much of anything, troll.
I, along with everyone reading your desperate attempt, know you are full
of shit, my brown-eyed friend.
Nothing desperate about it, troll.

http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20010917/aw48.htm

"One of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building
and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main
building and the new loading dock facility, said Charles H. Krohn, the
Army's deputy chief of public affairs."
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by IR Baboon
Or maybe you can show me an impact point where this massive
projectile "bounced" off of.
Just because such a point is not apparent in the available
photographs, doesn't mean that it wasn't there. Lots of things
happened that would have obscured it, like parts of the building
fell on it perhaps.
Ah, of course. It hit the ground, didn't leave a mark, hit the wall,
didn't leave a mark, then flew into a parking lot.
No one has ever said it didn't leave a mark on the ground, troll. And
it obviously never hit the wall of the building.
Obviously. And there was no mark on the ground, troll.
And how do you know, troll? Were you there?
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Maybe you can find us one?
Try looking under the debris from the building collapse. Or at the
concrete apron in that general area.
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Tell me, how is it the engine can penetrate the Pentagon, but would
bounce off of grass?
All depends on the angle and velocity vectors, troll.
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by IR Baboon
You're worse than a shill. You're an amateur shill.
Pot, Kettle, Black, troll.
As trolls go, I am a professional. I shill only for free inquiry.
You are practiced at trolling. That doesn't make you any more a
professional troll than you are a professional musician.
And you are considerably less skilled than me at everything.
ROTFLMAO. I'm probably even a better musician.
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by a***@justicemail.com
Post by 200 Dead American Soldiers Can't Be Wrong
Post by IR Baboon
Tell us how the thin
aluminium all went into the building, but the giant engine flew the
opposite way of everything else.
The "thin aluminum" didn't all go into the building. Now tell us
what is flying over the building in the last frame of the parking
lot camera.
Debris?
Yeah, like an engine.
Flying in the opposite direction it should be moving in...
Except it didn't. It flew in the same direction that the aircraft was
moving and ended up in the mall parking lot. Do try to keep up,
especially when I admit I made a mistake about the parking lot names.
Bertie the Bunyip
2003-06-27 05:06:50 UTC
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Post by Guh?
Sarah Roberts responds -- her "shock-wave theory" of where the
round hole in the brick C-ring wall came from -- with some friendly
inquiring and constructive comments
----------------------
And for the record, my opinions on the holes in A-E Drive have
<snip>
Stjarna
I have seen references in newspapers, mass-circulation paperbacks
and mainstream magazines showing the hole and saying in the caption
that an Boeing 757 engine made the hole. <snip of Eastman'
<Snip of Eastman's B/S References>
Excellent work. The disinfo people are scared to touch this one. As
an aside, did you see Andy Carol cling tenaciously to the story about
the engine landing in a parking lot?
--
If you think Eastman's psychotic musing/rambling on is excellent work,
how do you rate the work represented by
http://www.asce.org/pressroom/news/display_press.cfm?uid=1282
I'd rate that a white-washing. You people cling to that report. Our eyes
tell us differently about what happened.
I'm not clinging to it. \Never even read it.


Bertie
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/ / (o)


Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American
from taking part in online discussions following one of the worst cases of
"flaming" seen in this country.
A mysterious figure calling himself "Bertie the Bunyip" has upset local
Usenet newsgroups after a bizarre campaign that has included posting fake
photographs of a topless Queen Mother.
If someone burst into a cafe or pub and started yelling obscenities and
abusing everyone in sight, you might expect the manager to throw them out
or call the police.
senhor san
2003-06-28 15:35:14 UTC
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Dick Eastman forwards the news:


UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw accused of blocking inquiry into "dodgy
dossier" used to justify war.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$3OWU1LEA3KAQDQFIQMGSFG
GAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2003/06/28/nstraw28.xml/

Before he ordered U.S. forces to kill and maim tens of thousands of innocent
Iraqi soldiers and civilians, Bush and Co. repeatedly maintained that they
had absolute proof that Saddam Hussein still possessed WMDs. "There is no
doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Dick Cheney
said in August. In January, Ari Fleisher said: "We know for a fact that
there are weapons there." WMDs; not a "WMD program" as they now refer to it.
WMDs--not just indications of possible, or probable, WMDs. ... During the
first days of the war, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld stared into
television cameras, looked right at his employers (that's you and me), and
said that he knew exactly where they were. "We know where they are,"
Rumsfeld said. "They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad."
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0627-02.htm




U.S. military commanders have ordered a halt to local elections and
self-rule in provincial cities and towns across Iraq, choosing instead to
install their own handpicked mayors and administrators, many of whom are
former Iraqi military leaders.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42905-2003Jun27.html?


The British Army offered an apparent amnesty yesterday to those responsible
for the deaths of six Royal Military Police officers in southern Iraq.

Helicopters dropped leaflets on the town of Majar al-Kabir, promising: "We
will not return to punish anyone since these are the methods of Saddam's
regime. Coalition forces are sorry for the loss of the people of Majar ...
we will return to Majar to make good relations with you and all the people."
... The leaflets were distributed after British officers had consulted a
local civic leader, Abu Hatem Qarim Mahoud. ... Any suggestion that the
killers remain unpunished is likely to lead to an angry reaction in Britain.
The parents of one of the dead men accused the Army of putting their son and
his comrades at risk.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=419688


Cheney, Forgery and the CIA -- Not Business as Usual: As though this were
normal! I mean the repeated visits Vice President Dick Cheney made to the
CIA before the war in Iraq. The visits were, in fact, unprecedented. During
my 27-year career at the Central Intelligence Agency, no vice president ever
came to us for a working visit.
http://www.counterpunch.org/mcgovern06272003.html


Welcome to the Machine -- How the GOP disciplined K Street and made Bush
supreme: ... Like the urban Democratic machines of yore, this one is built
upon patronage, contracts, and one-party rule. But unlike legendary Chicago
mayor Richard J. Daley, who rewarded party functionaries with jobs in the
municipal bureaucracy, the GOP is building its machine outside government,
among Washington's thousands of trade associations and corporate offices,
their tens of thousands of employees, and the hundreds of millions of
dollars in political money at their disposal. ...
It's convened every Tuesday morning by Rick Santorum, the junior senator
from Pennsylvania, in the privacy of a Capitol Hill conference room, for a
handpicked group of two dozen or so Republican lobbyists. Occasionally, one
or two other senators or a representative from the White House will attend.
Democrats are not invited, and neither is the press. The chief purpose of
these gatherings is to discuss jobs--specifically, the top one or two
positions at the biggest and most important industry trade associations and
corporate offices centered around Washington's K Street, a canyon of
nondescript office buildings a few blocks north of the White House that is
to influence-peddling what Wall Street is to finance. In the past, those
people were about as likely to be Democrats as Republicans, a practice that
ensured K Street firms would have clout no matter which party was in
power. But beginning with the Republican takeover of Congress in 1994, and
accelerating in 2001, when George W. Bush became president, the GOP has made
a determined effort to undermine the bipartisan complexion of K Street.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0307.confessore.html



Leading Iraqis have denounced proposals to deploy Indian peace keepers in
their country, saying Iraqis alone should be responsible for their
security. ... The Iraqi reactions follow continuing political and
military tensions within the country, which has been occupied by US and
British troops and a small Polish contingent since the end of April.
http://www.rediff.com/us/2003/jun/28iraq.htm


US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, is discussing the idea of an
international peacekeeping force which could be dispatched to maintain
order in the world's trouble spots.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,986881,00.html


What shines through all the letters Rachel Corrie wrote home and which were
subsequently published in the London Guardian, is the amazing resistance put
up by the Palestinian people themselves, average human beings stuck in the
most terrible position of suffering and despair but continuing to survive
just the same. [Corrie was the peace worker murdered by the driver of an
Israeli bulldozer that was flattening a Palestinian household, driving right
over her and then backing up.]
http://iviews.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IV0306-2017


The decision of Downing Street's communications director to emerge from the
shadows was taken at the last minute, after he erupted in fury at the BBC's
decision to stand by its controversial story about the government's use of
intelligence on Iraq. ... An interview request from Channel 4 had been
politely turned down earlier in the day, a point Mr Campbell reiterated in a
telephone conversation with Snow at 6.45pm - just 15 minutes before the
programme went on air. ... "Then suddenly in my earpiece at 7.04pm I was
told Alastair Campbell has entered the building," Snow said last night. "In
two minutes he was sitting in front of me unannounced. He was angry." ...
Scowling and barely able to control his rage, Mr Campbell mixed up his
syntax as he let rip. "This is an attempt by the government to get the BBC
to admit that a fundamental attack upon the integrity of the government, the
prime minister, the intelligence agencies - let alone the evil spin doctors
in the dark who do their dirty works in the minds of a lot of journalists -
let them just accept for once they have got it wrong."
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/media/story/0,12123,986917,00.html


Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says the almost daily attacks on U.S.-led forces
in Iraq do not constitute a guerrilla war. ... Mr. Rumsfeld instead blamed
the deadly attacks on remnants and sympathizers of the ousted Saddam Hussein
regime. He also said common criminals are behind some attacks, noting that
Saddam Hussein freed almost 100,000 prisoners before the U.S.-led invasion.
.. The Defense Department says a team of five private experts is headed to
Iraq to advise U.S. administrators on ways to stabilize the country. The
team is led by former President Bill Clinton's deputy defense minister, John
Hamre.
http://www.bakutoday.net/view.php?d=5162


British MP George Galloway filed a libel suit Friday "the Queen's newspaper"
that claimed he took money from Saddam Hussein's Iraqi regime. In April,
the Telegraph claimed to have found a memo to Mr. Hussein from the Iraqi
intelligence service saying that Mr. Galloway had asked an Iraqi agent
for a larger cut of Iraq's exports under the oil-for-food program.
Crime-lab analysis of the ink on the pages show the pages, although
variously dated with some dates over two years past, we all written just
three months ago. That and wording and format show they are forgeries that
must have originated within the British intelligence system itself. Last
week, another newspaper, the Boston-based Christian Science Monitor, a
semi-official news organ of the American ruling elite, acknowledged that
documents it had used to make similar allegations were also forgeries. Mr.
Galloway plans to sue the Monitor as well.
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030627.wgall0627/BNStory/I
nternational/


Blair backs removal of all dictators: Tony Blair has privately told aides
the world's democracies should not hesitate to topple dictators [they dont
like.] ... The suggestion that the US, Britain and other leading powers
should be involved in repeated regime-change goes much farther than anything
the Prime Minister has said in public.
http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/5522245


A row between Britain's biggest broadcaster and Prime Minister Tony Blair
over the government's use of intelligence information in making the case for
war in Iraq has turned personal - and nasty.
http://tinyurl.com/fhps
Bertie the Bunyip
2003-06-28 16:52:51 UTC
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What would we do without you?

You'll have CNN out of business in a month.

Bertie
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Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American
from taking part in online discussions following one of the worst cases of
"flaming" seen in this country.
A mysterious figure calling himself "Bertie the Bunyip" has upset local
Usenet newsgroups after a bizarre campaign that has included posting fake
photographs of a topless Queen Mother.
If someone burst into a cafe or pub and started yelling obscenities and
abusing everyone in sight, you might expect the manager to throw them out
or call the police.
Everyman
2003-06-29 11:30:31 UTC
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Someone wrote in message
Post by Bertie the Bunyip
You'll have CNN out of business in a month.
Bertie
Perhaps this will speed things up:


If you count lives then the black-op mass-murder inside-job 9-11
"Frameupgate" dominates the landscape.

But if you "follow the money" there is also "Weaponsgate" to consider.

My advice to investors: Find a good rope company and buy stock in it.

Dick Eastman

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Weaponsgate: The coming downfall of lying regimes
by Wayne Madsen

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


You wouldn't know if from listening to the leading Democratic
candidates for president, but "Weaponsgate" may ultimately bring about
the downfall of the Bush regime and its allies in London, Canberra,
and elsewhere. The neoconservatives may have also finally stirred
something in the Fourth Estate, which has suddenly begun challenging
the lying echo chambers in the White House and Number 10 Downing
Street.

The arrogance displayed by the Bush regime, somewhat surprising since
it gained power through a fraudulent election process, is what may
result in its eventual undoing. Bush may or may not ever realize how
he was ill served by the neocon blight that took root within his
administration, particularly within the Department of Defense. But the
historians and scholars, who will look back on what turned the tide
for a supposedly "popular" war president, will point to the self-
[words missing]
in the United States since the days of Watergate. In fact, Bush's
"Weaponsgate" will be viewed as a more serious than Watergate because

1) U.S. and allied military personnel were killed and injured as a
result of the caper;

2) Innocent Iraqi civilians, including women and children, died in a
needless military adventure; and

3) the political effects of the scandal extended far beyond U.S.
shores to the United Kingdom, Australia, Spain, and other countries.

Other effects of Weaponsgate are already apparent. Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld, the majordomo of the neocons within the Pentagon,
cannot find anyone to take the place of outgoing Army Chief of Staff
General Eric Shinseki. General Tommy Franks and Shinseki's vice chief,
General John "Jack" Keane, want no part of the job. After winning a
lightning war against Iraq, Franks suddenly announced his retirement.
He and Keane witnessed how Rumsfeld and his coterie of advisers and
consultants, who never once lifted a weapon in the defense of their
country, constantly ignored and publicly abused Shinseki. Army
Secretary and retired General Tom White resigned after a number of
clashes with Rumsfeld and his cabal. The Commander of the First Marine
Expeditionary Force in Iraq, Lt. Gen. James Conway, said he was
surprised that he encountered no chemical weapons in Iraq. Perhaps
Conway was surprised because that is what the neocons wanted him and
his fellow Marines to believe. Conway and his fellow troops were
merely additional victims of "Weaponsgate." Paul Wolfowitz, a chief
neocon cabalist, let the cat out of the bag in Singapore when
he said that everyone could agree on a cause of war being Iraqi
weapons of mass destruction. That would be the common denominator in
justifying an attack, whether or not such weapons could ever be found.
Wolfowitz also stated that Iraq's swimming on a "sea of oil" was the
reason its had to be attacked and not, for example, North Korea. The
fact that weapons of mass destruction are actually possessed by North
Korea, a country lacking any significant natural resources, is of no
concern to the neocons. Oil was and is the bottom line in Iraq.
Sometimes, even the liars trip up and actually tell the truth. But
only in a world where the neocons have enjoyed a stranglehold on the
corporate media can Wolfowitz's supporters claim he was misquoted and
the UK's Guardian be forced to print a clarification, one step short
of a retraction. Congenital liars like Wolfowitz should never be given
the benefit of the doubt on any issue.

Bush's press secretary, Ari Fleischer, who has had his own problem
with recognizing the truth, was obviously concerned how the history
books will treat him. He decided to leave his post mid-term rather
than face the music over his repeated distortions about Iraqi weapons
of mass destruction as a cassus belli. Other Bush administration
officials, political and career, have also jumped off what appears to
be a rapidly sinking ship of state. They include Richard Haass, who as
the director for policy planning, was number three at the State
Department; Christine Todd Whitman, Environmental Protection Agency
administrator; Rand Beers, the senior National Security Council
director for counter-terrorism; and State Department career Foreign
Service officers John H. Brown, John Brady Kiesling, and Mary A.
Wright.

Then there was the sudden firing of retired General Jay Garner as U.S.
viceroy of Iraq. He was "outed" as having past associations with the
neocons, especially the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
(JINSA). But when Garner started to show some independence in
Baghdad, especially with regard to handing over some power to Iraqis,
he was quickly sacked and replaced by Paul Bremer, a former Heritage
Foundation flunky and Kissinger Associates director who was obviously
more in tune with the ideological bent of the neocons. In a Pentagon
where the civilian neocons don't trust the uniformed flag rank
officers, Garner likely became a threat, a potential Trojan horse who
had to be replaced bysomeone whose loyalty was beyond question. The
most dramatic revolt against George W. Bush and Tony Blair can be seen
from the high-level leaks of classified information from the top
levels of American and British intelligence. Just consider that the
United States has never experienced such repeated leaks of classified
information since the years of the spies in the 1980s, a time when a
number of intelligence employees were caught selling U.S. secrets to
the Russians and Israelis. Yet, the current leaks are not acts of
treason, but acts of unbridled patriotism.

The leaks from the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), CIA, State
Department, and other agencies are testimony to the deep divisions
within the Bush administration over the phony war on Iraq.
Intelligence agencies that are often at odds with one another over
policy have united like never before in blowing the whistle on the
neocon agenda. The Bush administration lied flat out over the Iraqi
WMD and Iraq's links to al Qaeda. It's just that simple. Career
intelligence officers, who know the penalties for the unauthorized
disclosure of classified information, are showing more courage than
most of the Democrats in Congress who seem more fearful of the neocons
and their supporters than in exposing "Weaponsgate."
The most recent classified disclosure was a DIA report on chemical
weapons that concluded that there was "no reliable information on
whether Iraq is producing or stockpiling chemical weapons or whether
Iraq has or will establish its chemical agent production facilities."
On June 8, the Bush administration paraded its usual shills,
Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell, before the Sunday talking head
shows. Rice and Powell said they based their claims that Iraq had WMD
on an October 1, 2002, national intelligence "white paper." But that
paper stated that Iraq had a capability to produce chemical weapons
within its chemical industry, not that it was producing such weapons.
Hans Blix recently said the so-called intelligence passed to him by
the Bush regime was useless for his own UN weapons inspection team in
its search for WMD in Iraq. It now appears that all the so-called U.S.
and British "intelligence" was nothing more than a collection of
neocon propaganda and disinformation.

Last March, a classified State Department report, prepared by the
Bureau of Intelligence and Research and titled "Iraq, the Middle East
and Change: No Dominoes," countered neocon claims that a democracy in
Iraq would foster democracy throughout the Middle East. The report,
dated February 26, 2003, concluded that democracy would be difficult
to achieve in Iraq, electoral democracy in Iraq would be exploited by
anti-American elements, and that the idea that other Middle East
nations would be transformed into democracies is not credible. So far,
all those predictions have come true. Iraq is currently an
American protectorate lacking even fundamental human services,
anti-American Shi'as in the south are increasingly venting their anger
at U.S. occupiers, and far from extending democracy throughout the
Middle East, Mauritania's Arab pro-American government barely survived
a military coup attempt by Islamist and pro-Iraqi elements in the
counry's armed forces. So much for the Middle East "domino theory"
concocted by Richard Perle and his American Enterprise Institute
clones and parroted by Bush in a speech before the right-
wing "think tank" the same day the State Department prepared its
opposite report.

In another slap at the neocons, who have supported the Iraqi National
Congress of Ahmad Chalabi, the CIA leaked a classified report about
their favorite Iraqi. The report, which surfaced in April 2003,
concluded that Chalabi had little popular support among the Iraqi
people. No wonder then that it is Chalabi who appears to be the source
for all the bogus intelligence about Iraqi WMD, Saddam Hussein's links
to al Qaeda, Iraqi purchases of uranium from Niger, and other false
flag intelligence. Chalabi, who is as big a liar as his neocon
friends, hoped to lull American intelligence into believing him over
seasoned Middle East intelligence hands. No one but Rumsfeld; former
CIA Director James Woolsey (who has taken hundreds of thousands of
consulting dollars from Chalabi over the years); Wolfowitz; Doug
Feith; America's new monitor for the Middle East peace road map, John
Wolf; and their comrades were taken in by Chalabi, a wanted scofflaw
from justice in Jordan.

One day the names Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Woolsey, and Chalabi
will become as familiar to students of "Weaponsgate" as the names
Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Liddy, Mitchell, and Stans are familiar to those
who study Watergate. And in a very interesting nexus between the two
scandals, Richard Nixon's former counselor John W. Dean has written
that Bush's lying about the reasons for the United States to go to war
is an impeachable offense.

For those who are looking for the straw that broke the camel's back in
"Weaponsgate" they need not look any farther than Number 10 Downing
Street. The troubles that Tony Blair is now experiencing may be a
harbinger for things to come in Washington. Blair is in deep
trouble and he knows it. After returning from the G-8 summit in Evian,
France, Blair was reported by The Obsever to be running around Number
10 in a pathetic panic. In a moment of temporary insanity, which must
have been precious to people who loathe Blair, the toothy Prime
Minister was pacing about his residence and yelling that people needed
to get a grip on what was happening. One of Blair's aides had to
comfort Blair and convince him that his advisers were on his side.
Blair must have had thoughts of John Major getting ready stick it to
Margaret Thatcher or of Brutus getting ready to plunge a knife into
the back of Julius Caesar. Blair's political opponents within his own
Labor party had seized on his government's use of a "dodgy dossier" on
Iraqi WMD to support the attack on Iraq as an example of Blair's
deceit. The dossier, titled "Iraq: Its Infrastructure of Concealment,
Deception and Intimidation," was based on a 12-year-old PhD thesis
culled from the Internet and the bogus Chalabi documents about
Nigerien uranium.

The revolt against Blair should serve as a warning for Bush. Just
consider what is happening in Britain. Blair has been abandoned by
some of his most senior government officials, including former Leader
of the House of Commons Foreign Secretary Robin Cook and former
International Development Minister Clare Short, in addition to a
number of lesser Cabinet officials. Over 70 of Blair's Labor members
of the House of Commons are in open revolt against his duplicity. No
wonder Godric Smith, Blair's official spokesman, announced his
resignation the same day that Ari Fleischer was announcing his
departure in Washington. The wheels are coming off the transatlantic
neocon wagon. New Labor and the "Compassionate Conservative"
Republican Party have been shown to be total ruses. Their war policies
and global domination goals have been thoroughly exposed as
neo-fascist manifestations of the teachings of neocon philosopher Leo
Strauss.

But Blair faces an even more serious revolt from his intelligence
officials. Blair's use of bogus intelligence to claim that Britain had
only a 45-minute warning prior to an Iraqi chem-bio attack reportedly
resulted in the threatened resignations of the heads of MI-6 and MI-5,
Sir Richard Dearlove and Eliza Manningham-Buller, respectively, And
there was the leak of a January 31, 2003, Top Secret memo from the
National Security Agency to its Government
Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) counterpart, which asked for
British help in electronically snooping on members and non-members of
the UN Security Council to determine their stance on America's
anti-Iraq UN resolution. That memo was reportedly leaked with a wink
and a nod from the highest levels of British intelligence.

The public row in Britain has forced Alastair Campbell, Blair's own
Karl Rove-like spinmeister, to apologize to the British Security
Services for combining their intelligence material with the bogus
material it used in developing the Iraqi WMD dossier. However, some of
Blair's advisers seem willing to go down with their prime minister
faster than the deck hands on the Titanic. Blair's new House of
Commons leader John Reid, a former member of the British Communist
Party, ranted that "rogue elements" within the intelligence services
were leaking classified information to bring down the government. Reid
also stated that for all anyone knew, the leaks were coming from some
"man in a pub." Such are the cynical words from a government on the
brink of collapse.

Blair is not the only "Coalition of the Willing" partner beginning to
get nervous. Australian Prime Minister John Howard is distancing
himself from the forged and phony intelligence on Iraqi WMD, claiming
his intelligence services took at face value what was presented by the
Americans and British. Denmark, which has very little tolerance for
lying prime ministers, is opening up a parliamentary investigation of
why Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen lied about the Iraqi WMD.
Bush's allies in Spain and Italy face similar inquiries.

And what of Bush saying the United States will help its friends and
punish its foes? Well, it seems that Mr. Bush cannot be trusted to
take care of his friends. Iceland was one of the country's that signed
up to Bush's so-called "coalition." How has Bush repaid the North
Atlantic nation? By writing a letter to Iceland's prime minister
stating that the United States will, after 46 years of providing for
the NATO nation's defense, pull its military forces from the
soon-to-be defenseless island state.

The Icelandic prime minister, like his colleagues in Denmark,
Australia, Spain, Italy, Portugal, the Netherlands, and the United
Kingdom, has found out the hard way of what price is paid for aligning
with a dishonest and illegal regime. They will suffer the
consequences. However, the leaders of France, Germany, Canada, New
Zealand, Ireland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Norway, Sweden, and the other
countries who withstood constant berating from Washington and the
American ambassadors accredited to them, can take heart in the fact
that they were correct all along. They will reap the electoral
benefits of their stance while they see their pro-American colleagues
take the consequential and inevitable electoral fall.

Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative reporter. He was
also the Operations Officer at Naval Facility Coos Head, Oregon from
1980 to 1982 and assisted the FBI and NIS in the inves [?]

Using The "L" Word-Altogether Now Lets Say "Liar"!!
Bertie the Bunyip
2003-06-30 20:10:17 UTC
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Post by Everyman
Someone wrote in message
Post by Bertie the Bunyip
You'll have CNN out of business in a month.
Bertie
If you count lives then the black-op mass-murder inside-job 9-11
"Frameupgate" dominates the landscape.
Oh yeah.

Bertie
oldickeastman
2003-07-04 20:30:05 UTC
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Here is what is really going on with the US in the world.


But first these four quotations in honor of the Glorious 4th:

1. In 1835, when the Southern States were applying to the Federal
Government to protect them against the circulation of anti-slavery
literature through the mails, Postmaster General Amos Kendall said in
a letter to the postmaster at Charlston, South Carolinia:

"We owe an obligation to the laws, but a higher one to the community
in which we live, and if the former be perverted to destroy the
latter, it is patriotism to disregard them."

2. As the American Civil War was being fought a Presidential election
was held. This was the war that created the power of the Robber
Barons, the Plutocracy that to this day controls American governance.
One plank from the Democratic Platform was:

"That this Convention does explicitly declare, as the sense of the
American people, that after four years of failure to restore the Union
by the experiment of war, during which under the pretense of a
military necessity, a war power higher than the Constitution, the
Constitution itself has been disregarded in every part, and public
liberty and private rights alike trodden trodden down, and the
material proserity of the country essentially impaired, justice,
humanity, liberty, and the public welfare demand that immediate
efforts be made for a cessation of hostilities, with a view to an
ultimate convention of all the States, or other peaceable means, to
the end that at the earliest practicable moment peace may be
restoredon the basis of the Federal Union of the States."

3. "Labour to keep alive in your breast that little spark of
celestial fire --conscience." -- George Washington's copybook

4. "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with
any portion of the foreign world." -- George Washington's Farewell
Address

Happy 4th of July, Birthday of the American Declaration of
Independence

================================





Palestinian militant group renounces truce as hopes for peace dip
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/030703/1/3caod.html
Hopes of peace were dealt a blow when a militant Palestinian group
renounced its freeze on anti-Israeli attacks after one of its leaders
was shot dead and a Jewish settlement was targeted by a rocket attack.
...

New Iranian missile threat worries Israel
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/314484.html

BBC launches inquiry into 'sexing up' story
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=421536


The odd couple - Blair's unlikely alliance with the most powerful man
in Italy
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=421527
Imagine that Tony Blair enjoyed a near-monopoly among the ITV
companies, that his acolytes dominated the BBC's board, that he
controlled two magazines and that his family owned a national
newspaper. Imagine that he also owned Newcastle United, had
advertising, food, insurance and construction interests, and
furthermore that he was immune from prosecution.
It sounds far-fetched, but that is the level of power
wielded by Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian Prime Minister and the
country's richest man, whose vast business and media empire includes
AC Milan. ...

Biased broadcasting corporation
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,991246,00.html
A survey of the main broadcasters' coverage of the invasion of Iraq
shows the claim that the BBC was anti-war is the opposite of the truth
...

Egypt will not send American citizens to the International Criminal
Court.
http://www.africaonline.com/site/Articles/1,3,53434.jsp
Egyptian Foreign Minister, Ahmed Maher, says his country has
signed an agreement not to send American citizens accused of crimes
against humanity to the International Criminal Court.
This comes after the United States exerted pressure on countries
to follow its demand.
The US decided to cut off military aid to countries that refuse
to protect Americans from the authority of the international war
crimes court.


Dossier not 'sexed up' say MPs But Campbell still faces censure over
conduct in run-up to war
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,991241,00.html
Alastair Campbell, the government's communications director, has been
provisionally cleared of the BBC's charge of "sexing up" British
intelligence in the run-up to the Iraq war, the foreign affairs select
committee agreed yesterday. ...


The tyranny of George II
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,991118,00.html
If today's British government had found itself at war with the
Americans it would have been very confused. "Er, right, but can we
still be on the same side as you anyway?" Re-reading the Declaration
of Independence makes you realise what far-sighted men those first
American politicians were: "We hold these truths to be self-evident,
that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator
with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty
and the pursuit of happiness. Oh, and the right to put American bases
in over a hundred independent countries, organise fascist coups to
install pro-American puppet regimes, stifle free trade if it's not in
US economic interests and force children everywhere to watch a
schmaltzy purple dinosaur called Barney."

35 Countries Punished by US Over International Court
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070303H.shtml

The conflict and chaos in Iraq have strengthened the hand of the OPEC
by keeping prices high and supplies tight, analysts said Thursday.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/world/iraq/2003-07-03-iraq-opec_x.htm
Far from threatening OPEC's survival by opening up Iraq's oil
wealth to western companies, the war has fueled uncertainty over oil
supplies from the Gulf, causing fear in twitchy oil markets.
"It will be many years before Iraq comes back into the oil market
in any significant fashion and that solves a problem for OPEC," said
Paul Stevens, professor of petroleum policy at Britain's Dundee
University.
"And in the sense that it has added to instability in the Arab
world, the war has threatened security of supply."
Iraqi oil output has been stuck at a quarter of pre-war levels
since mid-May, as U.S. attempts to reactivate the industry have been
countered by pipeline bombings and looting of oil infrastructure.



Yesterday in Monrovia, a crowd gathered outside the U.S. embassy for a
pro-American demonstration. Yes, you read that right: pro-American.
For the past week or so, Liberians have been coming to the embassy to
beg U.S. President George W. Bush to send troops to their chaotic
country. ''George Bush, save Liberia!'' they shout. Or: ''Send the
Marines to guard us.''
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030704.cogee04/BNStory/Front/
The conflict in Liberia and its West African neighbours is among
the ugliest in the world. More than one million Liberians, a third of
the population, have been forced to flee their homes since rebels
began a campaign to overthrow President Charles Taylor.

Up to 17,000 unexploded bombs left in war zone, MP warns
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,990996,00.html

White House defends Bush remark on Iraqi attacks -- Democrats slam
president for 'Bring 'em on' challenge
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/03/bush.comment/index.html

One U.S. Soldier Killed, 10 Injured in Separate Attacks in Iraq
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,91086,00.html

Afghanistan Postpones Disarmament Plan
http://www.myafghan.com/news2.asp?id=921446853

Disease and unexploded ammunition could kill thousands of Iraqi
children unless immediate priority is given to their protection, says
the UNICEF chief representative in Baghdad.
http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=19106
Hundreds of thousands more are prone to injury, abuse and
exploitation, the United Nations Fund for Children (UNICEF)
representative Carel de Rooy told
IPS in a phone interview. Children below 15 years of age are nearly 12
million (44 percent) of the 27 million Iraqi population.
Unexploded munitions are an immediate danger. "The whole country
is littered with instruments of war, even the schools," says de Rooy.
"Just to give you an idea, two weeks ago 1700 sites with unexploded
munitions were identified only in Baghdad.


Iraqi details harsh treatment as Amnesty criticizes U.S. interrogation
methods

Condoleeza Rice: No To Multipolar World
http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/387/10381_Rice.html
"Multipolarity is a theory of rivalry, of competing interests and at
its very worst, of competing values" stated Condoleeza Rice recently
at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London. Why is
it that the members of the Bush adminstration, in their entirety, are
utterly incapable of engaging in dialogue or of handling difference of
opinion? Why does multipolarity have to involve competing interests?

Billionaires for Bush
" I believe in the division of labor. You send us to Congress; we pass
laws
under which you make money...and out of your profits, you further
contribute
to our campaign funds to send us back again to pass more laws to
enable you
to make more money. --Senator Boies Penrose (R-Pa.), 1896
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030721&s=editors
George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Laura Bush have been darting
across the country these past few weeks raising money for Bush-Cheney
'04 Inc. Bush, who broke all precedent in his 2000 bid by opting out
of the presidential public-financing system and the spending limits it
imposes, is once again pushing the envelope--and the corporate execs,
lobbyists and wealthy individuals he has enriched are sending
envelopes back, stuffed with checks. His operatives say he hopes to
raise $170 million for next year's primaries--an obscene amount, since
he will have no Republican challenger and his Democratic opponents
will be held to a $45 million spending ceiling. But they're
deliberately lowballing his total. Given the $101 million he raised in
1999-2000 and the unwise doubling (by the reform-hungry
McCain-Feingold-Shays-Meehan squad) of the individual donation limit
to $2,000, Bush starts with a potential funding base of $200 million
or more.
Nothing like this has happened since the robber barons and
the trusts united behind William McKinley's 1896 campaign. Back then,
Senator Mark Hanna, chairman of the Republican National Committee,
invented the first truly national campaign fundraising machine,
setting precise assessments for contributions from banks and other
businesses that feared populist Democrat William Jennings Bryan's
populism. Hanna, who famously quipped, "There are two things that are
important in politics. The first is money and I can't remember what
the second one is," raised $6 million to $7 million for McKinley,
which in today's dollars would be about $150 million. By comparison,
the reform group Public Campaign points out that Bush's $200 million
will be more than all the private money raised by the Republican
presidential nominees since Watergate, adjusted for inflation. It's
not for nothing that Karl Rove describes Mark Hanna as his political
hero. ...



Bush visit to Africa ignores daily atrocities of the Democratic
Republic of Congo, what one African expert has labelled "the worst
humanitarian situation on the entire face of the earth."
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=15255&CFID=8237125&CFTOKEN=90157744
With Saddam's weapons of mass destruction nowhere to be found,
the president's Iraq talking points now center on the humanitarian
upside of having ousted the Butcher of Baghdad. His speeches are
liberally peppered with mentions of "mass graves," "torture chambers,"
and encomiums to "freeing the people of Iraq from the clutches of
Saddam Hussein." He's all but doused himself in the sweet-smelling
scent of human rights and put on an Amnesty International t-shirt.
But, OK, let's say we take the president at face value and
buy his new argument that ending humanitarian crises through military
force is good foreign policy. Then how can he justify embarking on his
first trip to sub-Saharan Africa next week without including on his
itinerary Congo and Liberia? .... [Those two nations must not be
"floating on a sea of oil" to make them attractive to the "Neo-cons"
controlling the US war policy from the Defense Department, Neo-cons of
course being the operatives of the worlds billionaires in seeking new
trillions for their masters -- that is the part that Huffington
leaves out in this otherwise very creditable article. --DE]

Poland seeks Iraqi oil stake
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3043330.stm
Poland, which has sent troops to support the US-led forces in
Iraq, has acknowledged its "ultimate objective" is to acquire supplies
of Iraqi oil.
The Polish Foreign Minister, Wlodzimierz Cimoszewicz, said his
country had never disguised the fact that it sought direct access to
the oilfields.

Defense of Your Home Is Not Terrorism, Not Even in Iraq
http://www.independent.org/tii/news/030702Higgs.html
Although President George W. Bush declared the U.S. military
conquest of Iraq a success more than two months ago, the killing
continues on a daily basis, and so do U.S. government efforts to paint
a smiling face on the death, destruction, and disorder its invasion
has brought to the hapless Iraqi people. According to Bush and U.S.
proconsul L. Paul Bremer III, life is returning to normal in Iraq, but
if a lack of electrical power, basic sanitation, and public safety in
115-degree heat is normal, then the unfortunate Iraqis must be praying
for the quick advent of abnormality.

Afganistan's George Washington
http://tinyurl.com/fyov
Gulbuddin Hekmatyar urges Afghans to "cut off the hands of the
foreign meddlers" and drive all American and other foreign troops from
the country.

Defense Dept. insists that explosion that blew up Mosque and outspoken
cleric and six assistants and said by residents of the town of Falluja
to have been the work of a missile fired by US forces, "was
apparently related to a bomb manufacturing class that was being taught
inside the mosque."
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/03/1057179097603.html
[Note that gives a motive for firing the missile and does not at all
deny that a missile was fired -- it is non-denial spun to sound like
denial. --DE]

Senators Disagree on WMD Facts After Returning From Iraq
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,91096,00.html

Israeli troops have shot dead a militant and temporarily blocked
Palestinian traffic on Gaza's main road, angering Palestinians who
assailed the actions as a threat to U.S. peacemaking.
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=WLAXDHHKRZK3QCRBAE0CFFA?type=worldNews&storyID=331829


The Che Guevara of Iraq could turn against the Allies
http://www.news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=727022003
AMONG the Iraqi intelligence officers he spent 17 years humiliating,
no two descriptions of Kareem Mahood were alike. Fighting in the
southern marshlands he was the bearded peasant in robes. Spying in
Baghdad he was the businessman in shirt and tie. The time he famously
tricked his way into their headquarters, it was in a fake brigadier's
uniform. ...
... On the issue of the heavy weapons searches which provided the
catalyst for last week's massacre, he clashes with the allies. What
they see as a vital part of the demilitarisation process, he sees as a
violation of locals' historic right to arms.
In meetings in the town last week, he is also said to have
suggested that prolonged allied occupation without Iraqi government
would, eventually, meet his active resistance.
In some ways, that would simply fall into the Marshlands'
proud tradition of
resisting authority. The problem for the allies would be that the
resistance could not come from a tougher opponent of the previous
regime.


War claims were fantasy: Meacher
http://tinyurl.com/g0k5
Government claims that war on Iraq was justified by the threat
posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction were dismissed
as "fantasy" by a minister sacked in last month's reshuffle.
Former environment minister Michael Meacher said that he backed
Tony Blair in the run-up to war because he believed what the Prime
Minister was saying.
But the US-UK coalition's failure to find evidence of WMD in the
12 weeks since the fall of Baghdad suggests that the warnings were
"over-egged", he said. ...


The Real Danger Lies Within
http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=19087
If the reality in Iraq is one thing and the reporting of it
remains another, it is because much of the media wants it that way,
say two leading journalists who have been reporting the 'other' side
of the Iraq story.
The level of self-censorship in the media has risen not just
during the Iraq war but also since 9/11, says Robert Fisk from The
Independent newspaper published in Britain and John Pilger, Australian
broadcaster and film-maker.
Pilger and Fisk both spoke to IPS on visits to Oslo. Pilger came
to receive the 100,000 dollar Sophie Prize for 30 years of work to
expose deception and war against humanity. Fisk came to give a lecture
at Fritt Ord, a Norwegian media foundation.
"Propaganda is not found just in totalitarian states," Pilger
says. "There at least they know they are being lied to. We tend to
assume it is the truth. In the U.S., censorship is rampant."
Self-censorship, that is. This kind of self-censorship is an
increasing problem, and leads to one-dimensional coverage that
journalists must learn to transcend, Pilger says.
"The most important soldiers in the Iraq war were not the
troops, but the journalists and the broadcasters," Pilger says. "Lies
were transformed into themes for public debate. The true reason was of
course - as we all now know û not to rid Iraq of Saddam Hussein and
remove their alleged weapons of mass destruction, but to achieve the
real Anglo-American aim; to capture an oil rich country and to control
the Middle East."
Self-censorship is a particular problem because of the "myth
of neutrality" around western media. "When you declare yourself
neutral, everybody else seems biased," Pilger says. "But as seen in
the Iraq coverage and elsewhere, journalists very often assume the
culture of the media institution and all its unwritten restrictions."
But even the term self-censorship is not quite right, Pilger
says, "because many journalists are unaware that they are censoring
themselves."


UK: As America's permanent volunteer, we can expect many more fallen
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,990097,00.html
The defence establishment was out in force at Brize Norton
military cemetery yesterday for the homecoming of the six soldiers
shot dead in southern Iraq. From defence secretary Geoff Hoon down,
our service chiefs stood on the tarmac as the flag-draped coffins were
carried one by one - in descending order of military rank, a very
British touch that - from the dark belly of a C-17 transporter.
But what did the assembled top brass see as they saluted the
returning
fallen? Did they think, as Jack Straw put it during his visit to
Baghdad yesterday, that these deaths of British soldiers were
"relatively isolated" losses? Did they say to themselves that such
solemnities were an unavoidable part of the military compact? Or did
they perhaps reflect that they and their successors may be making more
such visits to Brize Norton in the years to come if current defence
thinking on both sides of the Atlantic takes root?


Celebrating 227 years of weirdness

We've got some patriots here who are enough to give the word a bad
name. Their ugly side is always brought out by war: the
professional-patriot bullies have never been able to distinguish
between dissent and disloyalty. In WWI, we had citizens who used to go
around kicking dachshunds, on the grounds that they were "German
dogs." You notice people like that never go around kicking German
shepherds.



Bush Taking Heat for 'Bring Them On' Remark
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070403B.shtml

One Soldier Killed, 10 Wounded in Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070403C.shtml

U.S. Offers $25 Million for Finding Saddam Hussein
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070403D.shtml

Jobless Rate Rises to 6.4%; Highest in Over 9 Years
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070403E.shtml

Picking Workers' Pockets
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070403F.shtml

'Massive' Role in Iraq for US, More Troops Requested
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070303B.shtml

Two More US Soldiers Killed in Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070303C.shtml

US Troops On Edge in Baghdad
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070303D.shtml

US Support For War Fades As Casualties Mount
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070303E.shtml

Iraq's Resistance: A New Vietnam?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070303F.shtml

They Act Like Guerrillas
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070303G.shtml

Iraq, 'The White Man's Burden'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070303I.shtml

Democratic Field Focuses on Environment
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070303J.shtml


Blair's Spin-Doctor Admits 'Editing' Iraq Report
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070403H.shtml


Pentagon Readies For Peacekeeping Role in Liberia

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/07/03/MN44655.DTL



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senhor san
2003-06-28 15:35:50 UTC
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Needed:

One candidate who admits the truth about 9-11, about Israel, about
CFR-Zionist-Bonesmen domination of society.



(Is that too much to ask?)


The following is mostly raw clippings -- but the message throughout is
clear.


Is it too much to ask for a non-globalist anti-CFR president?

"Having fixed in our minds the fact that the state is a number of persons
who are up to no good, we should proceed to treat them accordingly. You do
not genuflect before an ordinary loafer; why should you do so in the
presence of a bureaucrat? If someone high in the hierarchy rents a hall, and
with your money, stay away; the absent audience will bring him to a
realization of his nothingness. The speeches and the written statements of
the politician are directed toward influencing your good opinion of
political power, and if you neither listen to the one nor read the other you
will not be influenced and he will give up the effort. It is the applause,
the adulation we accord political personages that records our acquiescence
in the power they yield; the deflation of that power is in proportion to our
disregard of these personages. Without a cheering crowd there is no
parade.... " -- Frank Chodorov ("Old Right" ideologist)

Taken from this essay:
The Vulnerable State Frank Chodorov


===========

An anonymous author, "Plubius," writes:
"Some, like Dr. Michael Ledeen, argued that America needed to remain
militarily powerful because it was only natural that some other nation would
want to knock us off our perch. He saw America having a messianic mission to
spread freedom and democracy around the globe. One could sum up Ledeen's
choice as Pax Americana versus Eventual Conquest.

"Others felt it was time to return to the path laid out for us by the
Founders, who wanted us meek folks to stay home in peace and inherit the
earth after the rest of the world had blown itself to bits. This would mean
retiring from the Great Game, having a strong enough military to protect the
homeland and our immediate interests, ending the National Security State,
and restoring the Constitution and the Republic. "

---------------

Who was Robert Taft?


The Rockefeller Rebublicans, a.k.a Moderate Republicans, Liberal
Republicans, Internationalist Republicans, Globalists, Neo-Conservatives
took over the Republican Party and remolded it from the isolationist days of
Harding, Coolidge and Hoover. Isolationism died with Senator Robert Taft
in 1953.

"As I see it, members of Congress, and particularly members of the Senate,
have a constitutional obligation to reexamine constantly and discuss the
foreign policy of the United States. If we permit appeals to unity to bring
an end to that criticism, we endanger not only the constitutional liberties
of the country, but even its future existence."
-- Sen. Robert Taft, R-Ohio, "Mr. Republican"

--------
http://www.populist.com/index.html

The Surrender of Congressional Power to a President During War -- Not a good
idea.

Now that US forces are fighting in Iraq, we are told that our duty is to
fall in behind the president and support the troops in the field. That is
nonsense.

Excerpt:
Those who would label us as un-American for criticizing Bush in a time of
war ignore a long US tradition of dissent. Abraham Lincoln made his name as
a congressman opposing the war with Mexico in 1846-47. In the face of
Woodrow Wilson's sweeping crackdown against war critics after the US entry
into World War I, former president Teddy Roosevelt declared in 1918, "To
announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to
stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American Public." Sen. Robert Taft,
R-Ohio, said on Dec. 19, 1941, almost two weeks after the US entered World
War II, "As a matter of general principle, I believe there can be no doubt
that criticism in time of war is essential to the maintenance of any kind of
democratic government."

---------------

A month ago CBS News polls showed 90 percent of Republicans in favor of
war to remove Saddam Hussein.
---------------

A half century ago, Dwight Eisenhower won the 1952 GOP presidential
nomination over Sen. Robert Taft, the Republicans chosing internationalism
over isolationism and unilateralism. Eisenhower was a strong supporter of
the Marshall Plan, the United Nations and NATO. Taft had opposed them all.
Entering the 1952 elections, Republicans held neither the White House nor
the House nor the Senate. They won all three. ...

... Although he was planning to run in the primaries in 1956, Taft
contracted fast spreading cancer and died in 1953. Eisenhower's CFR
internationalism now dominated the party that once stood for America First.
In the 1954 elections, with Taft dead and McCarthy censured, the
Republicans, having given the country unadulterated CFR rule, lost control
of both houses of Congress, leaving the 83rd Congress with few
accomplishments to look back on.

------------

The noninterventionist movement and it's attachment to the Republican Party
began with the rejection of the Wilson/House policy of participation in the
League of Nations. This isolationist attitude (led by Henry Cabot Lodge)
prevailed through the Republican Party during the Harding and Coolidge
administrations. From the late 1930's to the Korean war, non-interventionist
group America Firsters and Sen. Robert Taft carried promoted strong
anti-communist, anti-European and anti-interventionist themes. On Jan. 5,
1951, Sen. Robert Taft, opened the 82nd Congress criticizing Truman for
sending troops to Korea without Congress' approval. Admitting "the threat
of communism is real," Taft opposed stationing American troops abroad,
advocating decisive superiority in air and naval forces over commitments to
ground warfare in foreign lands. He opposed American soldiers fighting in
Europe and Korea, and declared the NATO a mistake. Taft also declared the
UN to be a trap, arguing that US should sever its relations with the flawed
organization at once.


==========

The Forgotten Cause: THE ANTI-INTERNATIONALIST AMERICA FIRST MOVEMENT:

Charles Lindbergh's Noninterventionist Efforts & America First Committee
Involvement

===================

Imperium in Imperio Frank Chodorov

The Unreality of Expediency Frank Chodorov

Remember Robespierre Frank Chodorov

It's Fun to Fight Frank Chodorov

On Economics Frank Chodorov

How Communism Came to America Frank Chodorov

The Old Right Was Right Leroy Wilson

==========================================

The Case for Non-Intervention
Publius Papers
April 1999 Publius



America does not need to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. America
well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were
they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself
beyond the power of extraction, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of
individual avarice, envy and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the
standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly
change from liberty to force. She might become dictatress of the world. She
would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.--John Quincy Adams

We Americans have an unusual history. We are the only nation in the world
populated entirely by people attempting to escape other people. The other
people may have been tyrants, religious authorities, or folks who just hated
us because it was the trendy thing to do. We made this continent our refuge
and thanked God we were no longer living in the Old Country. We established
an experiment in self-government that permitted people from all nations,
races and religions to live in peace and not shoot each other on sight.
Granted, it took us a long time to get the race part right, but at least we
tried and at great cost. Much of the world still can't even get the religion
part right.

Freed from participation in Europe's Great Game, we viewed this continent as
ours and were ready to fight to keep those perennially warring Europeans
from bringing their conflicts to our turf. Secretary of State John Quincy
Adams, concerned about the Holy Alliance, warned Europeans to stay out of
our yard, a policy known to history as the Monroe Doctrine. We viewed those
two vast oceans as our protection and considered ourselves morally superior
to those who killed for religion or the balance of power. But with our
involvement in World War I we began our downfall into European ways.

The Great War

The Balkans had been in disarray as the Ottoman Empire disintegrated during
the 19th Century. As piece after piece of this collapsing empire tore away,
the other great powers of Europe participated in the dismembering, mostly to
maintain a balance of power but occasionally for spoils and adventure.
Germany's Otto von Bismarck, a shrewd observer of European power politics,
once commented that the Balkans were not worth the life of one Pomeranian
grenadier.

In 1910 a crisis in the Balkans came within an inch of starting a general
European war, but the major powers looked into the abyss, shuddered, and
backed away. Unfortunately, when the heir to the Austrian throne was
assassinated in Bosnia in 1914, the major powers marched to the precipice
and promptly dived off.

Wilson's first decision was correct: he asked the combatants to stop
fighting and meet at a peace conference. With the failure of this gambit,
Wilson began trading with both sides while claiming neutrality, a risky
practice at best.

Historians today still argue whether Wilson truly wanted to keep us out of
war or just wanted to jump into the Great Game at an opportune time. When
Germany declared its policy of fighting unrestricted submarine warfare and
then boarded and sank a few ships, Wilson went to Congress to ask for a
declaration of war. Suddenly German shepherds became "Alsatians," and
sauerkraut became "Liberty Cabbage."

All wars are about power. But as long as veterans from a given war are still
living, one can never admit this, nor can the real motives of the war be
objectively examined. For that reason, it is only in the past few decades
that historians have been able to subject World War I to rigorous analysis.

Some question Wilson's timing. By the spring of 1917 both sides were so
exhausted from combat that continued American neutrality would have led to
that "peace without victory" for which Wilson had so long evangelized.
American involvement gave the Allies new strength, and thus American
participation tipped the balance.

The key question that still has to be answered is, was Germany really all
that bad? Granted, Kaiser Bill was a bigot and a fool, but he was certainly
not an early Hitler. After the war, British propaganda about the "Huns" was
thoroughly debunked, and it was conceded that the German army was too
professional and disciplined to rape nuns and pitchfork babies. Would it
have made any difference to America had we stayed out and let the war drift
off inconclusively? In its death throes, Germany bequeathed us Lenin.

Clemenceau and Lloyd-George were two of the most seasoned street fighters in
European politics, and Wilson turned out to be a babe in the woods. The two
old pros wanted to dismember the Germany that Bismarck had forged and turn
it back into the little principalities from which it had originated, which
would have prevented the rise of Hitler. Wilson wanted to welcome Weimar
Germany into the League of Nations and the world community, which also would
have prevented the rise of Hitler. The compromise solution beggared Germany
with reparations, bankrupted it, humiliated it, partially dismembered
it--and then welcomed it into the community of nations. When the score is
toted up, Wilson bequeathed us Yugoslavia, Hitler and even Ho Chi Minh.

The Good War

Americans have always felt proud of their involvement in World War II. Even
Vietnam War protestors professed the rightness of their parents' cause and
their theoretical willingness to have fought. After all, the Japanese
attacked us first, bombing our naval base in that one brilliant but infamous
act. Their behavior during the war was barbarous. And who could defend
Hitler, the premier monster of the 20th Century and the father of ethnic
cleansing?

But all wars are about power. As long as veterans from a given war are still
living, one can never admit this, nor can the real motives of the war be
objectively examined. It will be at least a decade more before historians
can question the behavior of Franklin Roosevelt and his policies in the
period leading up to our entry into the war and the Great Game. Despite
current popular approval, the jury is still out on our use of the atomic
bomb. History is patient.

The Cold War

After half a century, the origins of this war are in dispute as historians
still argue over who threw the first punch.

In his memoirs Dean Acheson tells how the Marshall Plan was sold to a
reluctant Congress and populace by means of "a little white lie, a harmless
piece of hyperbole", i.e., the Soviet Union was bent on the conquest of
Europe, America and the world. Acheson thought it necessary for the Foreign
Policy Community to scare Americans into rebuilding Europe and to use
America as the glue to hold Europe together, thus bringing us into the Great
Game on a permanent basis.

Sen. Robert Taft of Ohio was wary. He had opposed the Nuremberg trials
arguing that the leaders of a sovereign nation could not be placed on trial,
for he feared that a future American president might be tried should we lose
a war. But the Soviet acquisition of nuclear weaponry via treason changed
the political landscape, and Republicans criticized George Kennan's policy
of containment, preferring instead a policy of rollback. After Acheson's
Little White Lie, the Soviet A-bomb and the fall of China, no one questioned
the underlying rationale of the Cold War.

In Korea the Foreign Policy Community had given Kim Il Sung territory which
he had not won in battle; perceiving this ignorance as weakness, Kim went to
war to take the remainder. Truman passed this to the United Nations, and
when the Soviets foolishly walked out rather than veto the proposed
intervention, a UN army was sent to Korea for a "police action" which did
not require a declaration of war. When MacArthur invaded North Korea, it
almost led to a Sino-American war, which would have further escalated into a
nuclear war with the Soviet Union. The UN settled for a stalemate and
permanent occupation of a demilitarized zone.

In The Twilight Struggle, Henry Kissinger of Harvard argued that the US
should fight long-term, limited wars in the Third World to counter Soviet
expansion. Edwin Lansdale obliged by providing a military strategy called
counter-insurgency. But George Ball saw Europe as the arena for the Cold War
and stated categorically that adventures in the Third World were at best a
sideshow and at worst a bear trap. No one listened to him until it was too
late.

In East Germany and Hungary the Dulles brothers had used every tool in the
book to foment revolts, yet when they occurred, the US sat on its hands.
Thanks to excellent Soviet counter-intelligence, we had no idea just how
weak the adversary truly was.

By 1960 Krushchev was signaling that he needed a breathing spell in which to
bend the military and KGB to his will. There were hopes that the 1960 Paris
summit would lead to demilitarizing Europe, but the U-2 incident dashed
those hopes.

Krushchev saw Cuba as the bargaining chip that would convince the West to
pull out of Berlin. When America installed missiles in Turkey, Krushchev put
missiles in Cuba. That almost led to World War III when Kennedy created a
public crisis where secret diplomacy would have worked. In the end,
Krushchev appeared to blink when in fact he got the missiles out of Turkey.
It was not until 1990 that we discovered that the Soviets had brought
tactical nukes with them to Cuba when they first arrived in 1961.

In Vietnam the CIA discovered that Ho Chi Minh would win the UN-sponsored
elections aimed at reuniting the country, so Eisenhower called them off. Few
in the intelligence community were prepared to accept that nationalism was
Ho's primary ideology until Robert McNamara asked the question, "Was Ho Chi
Minh the Asian Tito?" in 1966, thus setting off an effort known as the
Pentagon Papers. There is entirely too much to say about that debacle in
which 58,000 Americans lost their lives, and one paragraph won't come close
where even whole volumes have failed.

In Czechoslovakia the Soviets crushed the Prague Spring while we sat on our
hands, this time because the Soviets were in fact strong enough to fight a
nuclear war and because we had deployed the bulk of our military forces
elsewhere. George Ball had made his point.

In 1974 in Helsinki we gave the Soviets everything Krushchev had asked for
in 1960--but on their terms, not ours. At this point there occurred one of
the great ironies of the Cold War. Now on a roll, the Soviets swallowed
everything they could in the Third World--and choked on it courtesy of
"imperial overreach."

As their game in Afghanistan began to crumble, the Soviets invaded to prop
up their puppet government, thus handing us an opportunity for poetic
justice. We would end up doing to the Soviets in Afghanistan what they had
done to us in Vietnam. Let the punishment fit the crime.

In Poland, Solidarity became the de facto government. To avoid a public
relations disaster Brezhnev had the Polish military seize control--and still
got his public relations disaster.

Reagan's decision to drop containment and pick up the fallen standard of
rollback changed the calculus. He took a grave risk, and on at least one
occasion the Soviets came within a hair of launching a preventive war. But
the dangerous gamble worked. A steady effort in America's back yard pushed
the Soviets out of all their outposts save Cuba.

Gorbachev came to power with a mandate the stop the decline. Realizing the
cost of putting down rebellions in the Eastern Bloc was too high, he dared
to let the nations of Stalin's empire go their separate ways. But despite
all the adulation in the West, Gorbachev was incompetent. Not realizing the
Soviet system was so fragile that just jostling it would cause it to
collapse, he tried to restructure it--only to find the Marxist-Leninist
economy, the Soviet Union, and the social fabric itself tearing in his
hands. Marx had postulated the withering away of the state, but not like
this.

In 1991 the Soviet Union collapsed, and the Cold War ended with its
occupation by an army of Harvard economists who completed the devastation
begun by Lenin. Rather than teach the 200-proof capitalism that had made
America great, they taught the crony capitalism that was turning America
into a modern feudal state. Just as the victors of World War I had beggared,
bankrupted, humiliated and partially dismembered Germany, the victors of the
Cold War gave the Soviet Union the same treatment--and then wondered why the
Russians were so ticked off.

But all wars are about power. As long as veterans from a given war are still
living, one can never admit this, nor can the real motives of the war be
objectively examined. It will be at least sixty years before historians can
question the Little White Lie and all it led to.

The Next War

America came out of the Cold War with a National Security State that had
shredded the Constitution, a government that had lied constantly throughout
the struggle, a press that had endlessly repeated the Foreign Policy
Community's spin, and an economy based on war. It also emerged without a
clear idea of what to do next.

Some, like Dr. Michael Ledeen, argued that America needed to remain
militarily powerful because it was only natural that some other nation would
want to knock us off our perch. He saw America having a messianic mission to
spread freedom and democracy around the globe. One could sum up Ledeen's
choice as Pax Americana versus Eventual Conquest.

Others felt it was time to return to the path laid out for us by the
Founders, who wanted us meek folks to stay home in peace and inherit the
earth after the rest of the world had blown itself to bits. This would mean
retiring from the Great Game, having a strong enough military to protect the
homeland and our immediate interests, ending the National Security State,
and restoring the Constitution and the Republic.

While this debate rages, the world is setting itself up for yet another
bloodletting. People of different tribes and religions again prepare for
genocide for no other reason than it is the "right" thing to do. Once upon a
time there was little threat that such warfare would reach our shores, but
that is no longer the case, thanks to Identity Politics.

The Melting Pot may have been a myth, but it was a very useful myth. It
permitted wave after wave of immigrants to put aside the ways of the Old
Country and become fully American. The arrival of Identity Politics in the
Seventies threatened this. Mario Cuomo waxed rhapsodic about the Marvelous
Mosaic, but this concept deterred assimilation and began the balkanization
of America at the worst possible moment, the eve of another massive wave of
immigration. Short of the public schools or the draft, we now have no way of
effectively assimilating these new arrivals. With tribal and religious
warfare now looming in Europe and Asia, it ill behooves us to do anything
that would dilute the concept of being American and bring that warfare to
our streets and neighborhoods.

"America does not need to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy,"
because we have plenty of them at home.

===============

States' Rights and individualism are historically related. It would seem to
be good strategy, therefore, for a modern decentralization movement to plot
its course by the same star. -- Frank Chodorov
senhor san
2003-06-29 19:26:39 UTC
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"...ugly words and other expressions that are not tolerable in today's
world." -- Secretary of State Colin Powell.

Congress passes resolution, Giuliani leads International Move to Make
Criticism of Zionism and Jew-Network Political Power a U.S. Federal Hate
Crime

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The International Conference on anti-Semitism held in Vienna hosted by the
by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) concluded,
June 19th, with common agreement reached among participants that included
governmental and non-governmental representatives from the 55 states
(Europe, FSU, and North America) for "a new mechanism" providing "ongoing
coordination in the fight against anti-Semitism." On June 23 the House
passed its resolution supporting international implementation of this legal
restructuring of free speech protections and criminal law.




"Rudy Giuliani. has accepted a mission that we asked him to accept, and that
is to head the U.S. delegation to a conference in Europe held by the OSCE,
[the] Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Fifty-five
nations will come together at this conference to talk about a pressing issue
that is a concern to everyone in Europe and all of us here in the United
States. And that is the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe, manifested in
incidents and ugly words and other expressions that are not tolerable in
today's world."
--Collin Powell

Joint Appearance with Secretary of State Powell (hear audio clip)
ADL 10-Point Action Agenda (Dec. 2002)




Remember, assaults with weapons, arson, desecration of synagogues etc.
ALREADY ARE SERIOUS CRIMES -- AND RIGHTLY SO -- BUT NOTICE THAT ALL
"DEMONSTRATIONS AND STATEMENTS"-- I.E., POLITICAL SPEECH CRITICAL OF
ZIONISM, THE JEWISH MAFIA, OR A POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC NETWORK BASED ON THE
SOCIOLOGY OF JEWISH NETWORKING IS NOW ALSO CONSIDERED A CRIME TO BE
INCLUDED AMONG THOSE OTHER TRULY ANTI-SOCIAL CRIMES. THUS THIS HAS NOTHING
TO DO WITH ARSON AND BOTTLE THROWING -- BUT EVERYTHING TO DO WITH EQUATING
CRITICISM OF ZIONISM AND SECRET CONSPIRATORIAL LINKS AMONG, SAY, SHARON,
RUMSFELD, WOLFOWITZ, PERLE, KISSINGER, POWELL AND RICE AS A CRIME EQUAL TO
THE CRIMES OF ARSON AND PHYSICAL ASSAULT.
-- Dick Eastman


This was the Action Agenda:

"As anti-Semitic violence has raged in Western Europe and the broader OSCE
region, the new democracies and the United States - in cooperation with
Jewish community and other non-governmental organizations - have pushed to
treat anti-Semitism and anti-Jewish violence as region-wide phenomena,
unique and separate from other forms of racism, intolerance, and xenophobia.
While the immediate crisis is centered in Western Europe, anti-Semitism
haunts the entire OSCE region, including North America. The Vienna
Conference gives the opportunity for governmental and non-governmental
representatives from OSCE and non-OSCE countries to share information and
recommend a regional action agenda in such areas as legislation, law
enforcement, education, and media.



B'nai B'rith's Mariaschin on OSCE Role (Dec. 2002)

U.S. Commission statement (Aug. 2002)

U.S. Mission to OSCE, Vienna

NGO Involvement and Information

Hearing on anti-Semitism held by Commission on Security and Cooperation in
Europe (U.S. Helsinki Commission), U.S. Congress

Discussion by Members of Congress and witnesses regarding anti-Semitism as
separate agenda item within OSCE

These five American Jewish leaders participated as the public members of
the official U.S. delegation:

Rabbi Andrew Baker - Director of International Jewish Affairs, American
Jewish Committee

Abraham H. Foxman - National Director, Anti-Defamation League

Cheryl Halpern
- Former National Chairman, Republican Jewish Coalition
- Chairwoman, United Nations Committee, B'nai B'rith International
- Former Member, Broadcasting Board of Governors

Mark B. Levin - Executive Director, NCSJ

Daniel S. Mariaschin - Executive Vice President, B'nai B'rith International




From Dick Eastman, "international hate criminal"
To: Complacent "good people" of prudently shut mouth, heirs of a spent
legacy of political freedoms

Here is what you did not read about in the daily news:

THE HOUSE AND SENTATE HAVE ALREADY PASSED THESE RESOLUTIONS CONDITIONING
FUTURE LEGISLATION:


Senate and House have passed resolutions supporting international agreements
to clearly and unequivocally condemn totalitarianism, "ethnic hatred,
anti-Semitism, xenophobia, and discrimination against anyone as well as
persecution on .... ideological grounds.' ... participating States to ensure
aggressive law enforcement by local and national authorities, including
thorough investigation of anti-Semitic criminal acts, apprehension of
perpetrators, initiation of appropriate criminal prosecutions, and judicial
proceedings; (see below)

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What is "hatred" but an opinon of the wrongness, evil or injustice of
another tinged with strong emotion? In other words it will be a crime to
oppose any murderers, thieves, swindlers, liars as long as the swindlers,
theives and murderers can show that 1) you identify themselves as a of Jews,
and 2) you display anger and a frown and respond to their baiting and
heckling with words of anger. Then it is jail for you, buddy, and your
job, and your kids taken away as well.

How as it justified? Angry citizens who have lost everything demonstrated
and threw rocks and directed their rioting anger at the "jewish" financiers
and string-pullers that have gained control of their governments converting
them to instruments of common people plunder.

What goes around comes around.

Here are the facts:


House Version

Passed June 23, 2003:

(excerpts)

Whereas violence and other manifestations of xenophobia and discrimination
can never be justified by political issues or international developments;

Whereas the Copenhagen Concluding Document adopted by the OSCE in 1990 was
the first international agreement to condemn anti-Semitic acts, and the OSCE
participating States pledged to `clearly and unequivocally condemn
totalitarianism, racial and ethnic hatred, anti-Semitism, xenophobia and
discrimination against anyone as well as persecution on religious and
ideological grounds';

Whereas the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly at its meeting in Berlin in July
2002 unanimously adopted a resolution that, inter alia, called upon
participating States to `ensure aggressive law enforcement by local and
national authorities, including thorough investigation of anti-Semitic
criminal acts, apprehension of perpetrators, initiation of appropriate
criminal prosecutions and judicial proceedings';

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That it is
the sense of the Congress that--
(1) officials of the executive branch and Members of Congress should raise
the issue of anti-Semitism in their bilateral contacts with other countries
and at multilateral fora, including meetings of the Permanent Council of the
Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and the Twelfth
Annual Session of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly to be convened in July
2003;
(2) participating States of the OSCE should unequivocally condemn
anti-Semitism (including violence against Jews and Jewish cultural sites),
racial and ethnic hatred, xenophobia, and discrimination, as well as
persecution on religious grounds whenever it occurs;

(3) participating States of the OSCE should ensure effective law enforcement
by local and national authorities against criminal acts stemming from
anti-Semitism, xenophobia, or racial or ethnic hatred, whether directed at
individuals, communities, or property, including thorough investigation and
prosecution of such acts;

(4) participating States of the OSCE should promote the creation of
educational efforts throughout the region encompassing the participating
States of the OSCE to counter anti-Semitic stereotypes and attitudes among
younger people, increase Holocaust awareness programs, and help identify the
necessary resources to accomplish this goal;

(5) legislators in all OSCE participating States should play a leading role
in combating anti-Semitism and ensure that the resolution adopted at the
2002 meeting of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly in Berlin is followed up by
a series of concrete actions at the national level; and

(6) the OSCE should organize a separately designated human dimension event
on anti-Semitism as early as possible in 2003, consistent with the Porto
Ministerial Declaration adopted by the OSCE at the Tenth Meeting of the OSCE
Ministerial Council in December 2002.
Rep. Abercrombie, Neil - 4/1/03 [HI-1] Rep. Ackerman, Gary L. - 2/27/03
[NY-5]
Rep. Aderholt, Robert B. - 2/13/03 [AL-4] Rep. Akin, W. Todd - 5/7/03 [MO-2]
Rep. Baird, Brian - 5/22/2003 [WA-3] Rep. Baca, Joe - 3/24/03 [CA-43]
Rep. Baldwin, Tammy - 3/24/03 [WI-2] Rep. Beauprez, Bob - 6/24/03 [CO-7]
Rep. Berkley, Shelley - 3/6/03 [NV-1] Rep. Berman, Howard L. - 2/27/03
[CA-28]
Rep. Blunt, Roy - 2/27/03 [MO-7] Rep. Burgess, Michael C. - 3/13/03 [TX-26]
Rep. Burns, Max - 4/10/03 [GA-12] Rep. Capps, Lois - 4/29/03 [CA-23]
Rep. Cardin, Benjamin L. - 2/13/03 [MD-3] Rep. Carson, Brad - 2/27/03 [OK-2]
Rep. Clay, Wm. Lacy - 2/27/03 [MO-1] Rep. Crowley, Joseph - 4/1/03 [NY-7]
Rep. Cummings, Elijah E. - 3/24/03 [MD-7] Rep. Davis, Artur - 5/7/03 [AL-7]
Rep. Davis, Danny K. - 5/7/03 [IL-7] Rep. Davis, Jo Ann - 4/29/03 [VA-1]
Rep. DeGette, Diana - 3/13/03 [CO-1] Rep. Deutsch, Peter - 3/6/03 [FL-20]
Rep. Engel, Eliot L. - 3/6/03 [NY-17] Rep. Evans, Lane - 2/27/03 [IL-17]
Rep. Farr, Sam - 2/27/03 [CA-17] Rep. Fattah, Chaka - 5/22/2003 [PA-2]
Rep. Filner, Bob - 4/3/03 [CA-51] Rep. Foley, Mark - 2/27/03 [FL-16]
Rep. Forbes, J. Randy - 2/27/03 [VA-4] Rep. Frank, Barney - 3/6/03 [MA-4]
Rep. Frost, Martin - 2/27/03 [TX-24] Rep. Garrett, Scott - 3/6/03 [NJ-5]
Rep. Gerlach, Jim - 4/29/03 [PA-6] Rep. Green, Mark - 3/24/03 [WI-8]
Rep. Grijalva, Raul M. - 4/3/03 [AZ-7] Rep. Gutierrez, Luis V. - 4/10/03
[IL-4]
Rep. Harman, Jane - 4/10/03 [CA-36] Rep. Hastings, Alcee L. - 2/13/03
[FL-23]
Rep. Hoeffel, Joseph M. - 2/27/03 [PA-13] Rep. Hoyer, Steny H. - 2/13/03
[MD-5]
Rep. Israel, Steve - 3/24/03 [NY-2] Rep. Kennedy, Patrick J. - 5/7/03 [RI-1]
Rep. Kirk, Mark Steven - 4/1/03 [IL-10] Rep. Kucinich, Dennis J. - 4/10/03
[OH-10]
Rep. Langevin, James R. - 5/22/2003 [RI-2] Rep. Lantos, Tom - 2/13/03
[CA-12]
Rep. Lee, Barbara - 3/13/03 [CA-9] Rep. Levin, Sander M. - 3/24/03 [MI-12]
Rep. Linder, John - 2/27/03 [GA-7] Rep. Lowey, Nita M. - 3/13/03 [NY-18]
Rep. Maloney, Carolyn B. - 4/1/03 [NY-14] Rep. Markey, Edward J. - 4/3/03
[MA-7]
Rep. McCollum, Betty - 3/24/03 [MN-4] Rep. McDermott, Jim - 2/27/03 [WA-7]
Rep. Nadler, Jerrold - 3/24/03 [NY-8] Rep. Payne, Donald M. - 2/27/03
[NJ-10]
Rep. Pitts, Joseph R. - 3/13/03 [PA-16] Rep. Porter, Jon C. - 5/22/2003
[NV-3]
Rep. Reyes, Silvestre - 3/24/03 [TX-16] Rep. Rodriguez, Ciro - 4/1/03
[TX-28]
Rep. Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana - 2/27/03 [FL-18] Rep. Rothman, Steve R. - 4/10/03
[NJ-9]
Rep. Ryan, Timothy J. - 3/24/03 [OH-17] Rep. Sanders, Bernard - 4/3/03 [VT]
Rep. Saxton, Jim - 5/22/2003 [NJ-3] Rep. Schakowsky, Janice D. - 2/27/03
[IL-9]
Rep. Schiff, Adam B. - 4/1/03 [CA-29] Rep. Sensenbrenner, F. James, Jr. -
2/27/03 [WI-5]
Rep. Sessions, Pete - 5/22/2003 [TX-32] Rep. Shaw, E. Clay, Jr. - 5/7/03
[FL-22]
Rep. Shays, Christopher - 4/29/03 [CT-4] Rep. Sherman, Brad - 4/1/03 [CA-27]
Rep. Shimkus, John - 3/6/03 [IL-19] Rep. Slaughter, Louise McIntosh -
2/13/03 [NY-28]
Rep. Souder, Mark E. - 4/10/03 [IN-3] Rep. Sullivan, John - 2/27/03 [OK-1]
Rep. Sweeney, John E. - 2/27/03 [NY-20] Rep. Terry, Lee - 5/22/2003 [NE-2]
Rep. Van Hollen, Chris - 2/27/03 [MD-8] Rep. Vitter, David - 3/24/03 [LA-1]
Rep. Wamp, Zach - 2/13/03 [TN-3] Rep. Waxman, Henry A. - 2/27/03 [CA-30]
Rep. Weiner, Anthony D. - 2/27/03 [NY-9] Rep. Wexler, Robert - 3/6/03
[FL-19]
Rep. Wolf, Frank R. - 2/13/03 [VA-10] Rep. Woolsey, Lynn C. - 5/7/03 [CA-6]

Senate Version:

Passed May 22, 2003 by Unanimous Consent


excerpts:


Whereas the expressions of anti-Semitism experienced throughout the region
encompassing the participating States of the Organization for Security and
Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) have included physical assaults, with some
instances involving weapons or stones, arson of synagogues, and desecration
of Jewish cultural sites, such as cemeteries and statues;

[Remember, assaults with weapons, arson, desecration of synagogues etc.
ALREADY ARE SERIOUS CRIMES -- AND RIGHTLY SO -- BUT NOTICE THAT ALL
DEMONSTRATIONS AND STATEMENTS -- I.E., POLITICAL SPEECH CRITICAL OF ZIONISM,
THE JEWISH MAFIA, OR A POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC NETWORK BASED ON THE SOCIOLOGY
OF JEWISH NETWORKING IS NOW ALSO CONSIDERED A CRIME TO BE INCLUDED AMONG
THOSE OTHER TRULY ANTI-SOCIAL CRIMES. THUS THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
ARSON AND BOTTLE THROWING -- BUT EVERYTHING TO DO WITH EQUATING CRITICISM OF
ZIONISM AND SECRET CONSPIRATORIAL LINKS AMONG, SAY, SHARON, RUMSFELD,
WOLFOWITZ, PERLE, KISSINGER, POWELL AND RICE WITH THE CRIMES OF ARSON AND
PHYSICAL ASSAULT. -- Dick Eastman ]



Whereas vicious propaganda and violence in many OSCE States against Jews,
foreigners, and others portrayed as alien have reached alarming levels, in
part due to the dangerous promotion of aggressive nationalism by political
figures and others;

Whereas violence and other manifestations of xenophobia and discrimination
can never be justified by political issues or international developments;

Whereas the Copenhagen Concluding Document adopted by the OSCE in 1990 was
the first international agreement to condemn anti-Semitic acts, and the OSCE
participating States pledged to `clearly and unequivocally condemn
totalitarianism, racial and ethnic hatred, anti-Semitism, xenophobia, and
discrimination against anyone as well as persecution on religious and
ideological grounds';

Whereas Decision No. 6 adopted by the OSCE Ministerial Council at its Tenth
Meeting held in Porto, Portugal in December 2002 (the `Porto Ministerial
Declaration') condemned `the recent increase in anti-Semitic incidents in
the OSCE area, recognizing the role that the existence of anti-Semitism has
played throughout history as a major threat to freedom';

Whereas the Porto Ministerial Declaration also urged `the convening of
separately designated human dimension events on issues addressed in this
decision, including on the topics of anti-Semitism, discrimination and
racism, and xenophobia'; and

Whereas on December 10, 2002, at the Washington Parliamentary Forum on
Confronting and Combating anti-Semitism in the OSCE Region, representatives
of the United States Congress and the German Parliament agreed to denounce
all forms of anti-Semitism and agreed that `anti-Semitic bigotry must have
no place in our democratic societies': Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the Senate (the House of Representatives concurring), That it is
the sense of Congress that--
(1) officials of the executive branch and Members of Congress should raise
the issue of anti-Semitism in their bilateral contacts with other countries
and at multilateral fora, including meetings of the Permanent Council of the
Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and the Twelfth
Annual Session of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly to be convened in July
2003;
(2) participating States of the OSCE should unequivocally condemn
anti-Semitism (including violence against Jews and Jewish cultural sites),
racial and ethnic hatred, xenophobia, and discrimination, as well as
persecution on religious grounds whenever it occurs;
(3) participating States of the OSCE should ensure effective law enforcement
by local and national authorities to prevent and counter criminal acts
stemming from anti-Semitism, xenophobia, or racial or ethnic hatred, whether
directed at individuals, communities, or property, including maintaining
mechanisms for the thorough investigation and prosecution of such acts;
(4) participating States of the OSCE should promote the creation of
educational efforts throughout the region encompassing the participating
States of the OSCE to counter anti-Semitic stereotypes and attitudes among
younger people, increase Holocaust awareness programs, and help identify the
necessary resources to accomplish this goal;
(5) legislators in all OSCE participating States should play a leading role
in combating anti-Semitism and ensure that the resolution adopted at the
2002 meeting of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly in Berlin is followed up by
a series of concrete actions at the national level; and
(6) the OSCE should organize a separately designated human dimension event
on anti-Semitism as early as possible in 2003, consistent with the Porto
Ministerial Declaration adopted by the OSCE at the Tenth Meeting of the OSCE
Ministerial Council in December 2002.
Additional Cosponsors:
Sen. Wayne Allard - 3/25/03 [CO] Sen. George Allen - 4/9/03 [VA]
Sen. Evan Bayh - 4/8/03 [IN] Sen. Joseph Biden - 3/13/03 [DE]
Sen. Christopher Bond - 3/13/03 [MO] Sen. Barbara Boxer - 5/15/03 [CA]
Sen. Sam Brownback - 3/13/03 [KS] Sen. Jim Bunning - 2/27/03 [KY]
Sen. Lincoln Chafee - 03/13/03 [RI] Sen. Saxby Chambliss - 3/13/03 [GA]
Sen. Norm Coleman - 03/13/03 [MN] Sen. Susan M. Collins - 4/8/03 [ME]
Sen. Larry E. Craig - 4/28/03 [ID] Sen. Thomas A. Daschle - 5/22/2003 [SD]
Sen. Michael DeWine - 2/26/03 [OH] Sen. Christopher J. Dodd - 3/26/03 [CT]
Sen. Byron Dorgan - 3/20/03 [ND] Sen. Richard Durbin - 3/13/03 [IL]
Sen. John Edwards - 5/22/2003 [NC] Sen. John E. Ensign - 3/26/03 [NV]
Sen. Russell Feingold - 3/13/03 [WI] Sen. Dianne Feinstein - 3/26/03 [CA]
Sen. Peter Fitzgerald - 3/13/03 [IL] Sen. Bob Graham - 4/8/03 [FL]
Sen. Charles E. Grassley - 5/22/2003 [IA] Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison -
3/26/03 [TX]
Sen. Edward Kennedy - 3/20/03 [MA] Sen. John F. Kerry - 4/1/03 [MA]
Sen. Herb Kohl - 4/1/03 [WI] Sen. Mary Landrieu - 3/13/03 [LA]
Sen. Frank Lautenberg - 3/13/03 [NJ] Sen. Carl Levin - 3/13/03 [MI]
Sen. Joseph Lieberman - 3/13/03 [CT] Sen. John McCain - 5/22/2003 [AZ]
Sen. Mitch McConnell - 3/20/03 [KY] Sen. Barbara A. Mikulski - 2/24/03 [MD]
Sen. Zell Miller - 3/13/03 [GA] Sen. Lisa Murkowski - 3/25/03 [AK]
Sen. Patty Murray - 2/24/03 [WA] Sen. Ben Nelson - 3/25/03 [NE]
Sen. Bill Nelson - 4/28/03 [FL] Sen. Don Nickles - 3/13/03 [OK]
Sen. John F. Reed - 4/8/03 [RI] Sen. Rick Santorum - 4/29/03 [PA]
Sen. Paul S. Sarbanes - 4/1/03 [MD] Sen. Charles E. Schumer - 2/25/03 [NY]
Sen. Richard C. Shelby - 5/12/03 [AL] Sen. Arlen Specter - 3/13/03 [PA]
Sen. Ted Stevens - 3/13/03 [AK] Sen. Jim Talent - 2/26/03 [MO]
Sen. George V. Voinovich - 2/26/03 [OH] Sen. Ron Wyden - 4/8/03 [OR]
Everyman
2003-07-10 20:38:54 UTC
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Citizen declares Bush Administration engaged in treason -- calls upon
US soldiers in Iraq to defy traitors' orders and rally behind officers
loyal to the Consitution.
============

Warning that the treason of the 9-11 mass-murder frame-up is not over
and that the Bush Administration is bent on more aggression against
independent nations not dominated by global organized crime and the
ruin of the United States people whom they regard as their true mortal
enemies, an American citizen exorts people to refuse to cooperate
with the criminal junta any longer and to begin massive demonstrations
calling for removal of the traitors and all who have supported their
actions.

=================




Citizen calls on Patriots to Immediately Reject and Resist Bush
Administration Treason

















================

Would some one who is not convinced of the above, please share his
thinking?

Dick
Ralph Nesbitt
2003-07-11 04:12:33 UTC
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Post by Everyman
Citizen declares Bush Administration engaged in treason -- calls upon
US soldiers in Iraq to defy traitors' orders and rally behind officers
loyal to the Consitution.
============
Warning that the treason of the 9-11 mass-murder frame-up is not over
and that the Bush Administration is bent on more aggression against
independent nations not dominated by global organized crime and the
ruin of the United States people whom they regard as their true mortal
enemies, an American citizen exorts people to refuse to cooperate
with the criminal junta any longer and to begin massive demonstrations
calling for removal of the traitors and all who have supported their
actions.
=================
Citizen calls on Patriots to Immediately Reject and Resist Bush
Administration Treason
================
Would some one who is not convinced of the above, please share his
thinking?
Dick
Sounds like you are advocating the violent over throw of the government.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Everyman
2003-07-11 18:44:17 UTC
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Articles and URLs for more articles -- you need to scroll down and
see what these.
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Ashcroft let the real hands-on 9-11 perpetrator team members go
home!!!!!! The 97 foreign agents who had illegal top security passes
at Dulles and Reagan Airports on Sept 11 -- were quietly sent home by
Ashcroft a few months later!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message/28


William Rivers Pitt | Mr. Bush, You Are A Liar
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071103A.shtml

NY Post editorial blames victims' families for for the problems the
9/11 commission is having. The editorial can be viewed here:
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/269.htm


GLOBAL WAR LOOMS? -- Two weeks ago, a prince of the Kuwaiti Royal
family received a phone call from an aide to Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld asking if the complex was available. The prince
already suspected it was needed for one of those secret meetings,
which Washington has taken to holding in the Gulf.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/06_29_03/Thomas/thomas.html.


Halliburton unit expands war-repair role
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/191/nation/Halliburton_unit_expands_war_repair_role+.shtml

U.S. Report On 9/11 To Be 'Explosive'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071103B.shtml

Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State, said yesterday he did not
mention the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal in his now famous
presentation to the UN Security Council because he "did not think it
was strong enough" ­ even though President George Bush included it in
his State of the Union address just a week before.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=423531


Two More US Soldiers Killed, US Wounded Tally at 1,044
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071103C.shtml

Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat yesterday accused Prime
Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) of "betraying the interests of the
Palestinian people."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=316897&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

U.S. Army Baits Ambushers With Own Troops
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071103D.shtml

Bush Skirts Queries on Iraq Nuclear Allegation-- Aides Have Backed Off
State of Union Assertion

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A35606-2003Jul9?language=printer

Among Democrats, The Energy Seems To Be on the Left
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071103E.shtml

For the first time since the start of the war in Iraq, Pentagon
officials have released the number of U.S. troops wounded from the
beginning of the war through Wednesday.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/09/sprj.irq.main/index.html

'One Must Follow One's Principles to the End'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071103F.shtml


A US panel investigating the September 11 terrorist attacks yesterday
accused the Pentagon and the justice department of obstructing the
inquiry and said witnesses were being intimidated.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,994933,00.html


Robert Byrd | A Call for International Assistance, Not Isolation
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071103G.shtml

No justice for anyone when criminals rule the courts
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=35981491&pid=r&mode=ALL&n=0&query=John+Kaminski

General Franks: 'US Troops May Be In Iraq Four Years'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071103H.shtml

Statistical comparison: Palestinians killed by Israelis; Israelis
killed by palestinians
Persons killed within the green line
http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Total_Casualties.asp


Iraq Weapons 'Unlikely To Be Found'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071103I.shtml

Fw: Citizen declares Bush Administration engaged in treason -- call

Marine Gets 7 Months In Jail For Refusing Anthrax Vaccine -- Yet, "In
a random survey of 1,253 guard and reserve pilots and aircrew, the GAO
found 84 percent suffered minor reactions [to the anthrax vaccine] and
at least 24 percent major multiple "systemic" reactions, the latter
more than 100 times higher than the estimate by the manufacturer."
http://www.rense.com/general38/enat.htm


NOW Hosts Presidential Candidate Forum on Women's Rights
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071103J.shtml

ISRAEL TO PURCHASE MORE APACHE LONGBOWS

Apache Longbows to for better faster killing of Moslems -- Israel's
air force plans to upgrade the first of its Apache attack helicopter
fleet.
http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2003/july/07_11_3.html

Photo taken from Annex roof shows impossibility of Boeing, which flew
over the Annex or the Pike being the killer jet.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message/26

Re: Photo taken from Annex roof shows impossibility of Boeing, which
flew over the Annex or the Pike being the killer jet.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message/27

`You'll see a shift in U.S. policy in a month'
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=316875&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y


Sept. 11 Panel Rips Lack of Cooperation
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071003B.shtml


A former head of Downing Street's in-house intelligence panel last
night accused ministers of "overselling" the threat of global
terrorism before the Iraq war by bombarding voters with repeated
warnings of "imminent terrorist attacks on London" and Heathrow
airport.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,995928,00.html



White House 'Warned Over Iraq Claim'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071003C.shtml

TONY BLAIR caved in last night to mounting pressure over the two
British terrorist suspects facing a secret US military trial at
Guantanamo Bay in Cuba and appealed for their repatriation.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-741934,00.html

Lord Goldsmith, the Attorney General, was under mounting pressure last
night to state whether the war in Iraq was illegal because no weapons
of mass destruction (WMD) have been found.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=423532



UK pressed for uranium evidence
http://tinyurl.com/gmhj

White House on Defensive Over Intelligence
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071003D.shtml

Iraq's other looting
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EG11Ak01.html

Local Elite In Iraq Losing Faith In U.S.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071003E.shtml

How to Rig an American Election
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/voting.shtml

The Lost Decade
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071003G.shtml

James Depreist: A Nation That Closes Its Eyes Is Sure To Stumble
Sometime
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071003H.shtml

The Pentagon's Plan for Tracking Everything That Moves
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071003I.shtml

Republican Is Sentenced for Eavesdropping
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071003J.shtml

Capitol Hill Blue Retracts Story
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071003K.shtml

Aarticles:

COVER UP: 911 COMMISSION *PIC*

Posted By: ChristopherBollyn <Send E-Mail>
Date: Thursday, 10 July 2003, 9:43 p.m.

COVER-UP: THE REAL MISSION OF THE 911 COMMISSION

By Christopher Bollyn

The controlled media and the seriously compromised 9-11 commission are
seemingly complicit in concealing the truth - while writing the
history - for the worst terrorist attack in American history.

The truth about the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 is
unlikely to emerge from the politically appointed National Commission
on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States. The integrity of the
so-called "independent" 9-11 commission is compromised by, among other
things, the connections of its staff and key members to the globalist
Council on Foreign Relations, the White House, and domestic and
foreign intelligence agencies.

The mainstream media has reported that the commission's investigation
has been hampered by the failure of the executive branch agencies,
especially the Pentagon and the Justice Department, to provide
requested documents and testimony. The heads of the commission
recently reported that federal agencies under the president's control
were not cooperating quickly or fully.

The commission also complained about the fact that, like Iraq, the
U.S. government requires an agency "minder" to be present during
interviews with officials. The commission's chairman Thomas H. Kean,
the former Republican governor of New Jersey, said the presence of an
agency "minder" amounted to "intimidation" of the witnesses.

The fact that key members and staff of the commission belong to
globalist groups and secret societies that have un-American agendas
has not been reported in the controlled press.

Kean and vice-chairman Lee H. Hamilton, a former Democratic
congressman from Indiana, are both long-standing members of the CFR,
as is commission member Jamie Gorelick and Philip Zelikow, its
executive director. Zelikow is also a member of the London-based
International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), an appendage of
British intelligence. Members of the CFR, IISS, and the Yale secret
society Skull and Bones are found like threads running through the
cloth of 9-11.

For example, Peter G. Peterson, chairman of the CFR and the Federal
Reserve Bank of New York announced that his Blackstone Group had
purchased, in October 2000, the mortgage on 7 World Trade Center, the
47-story building built by Larry Silverstein in 1987. Silverstein is
the person who obtained 99-year leases on the twin towers shortly
before 9-11 and who insured the property and its future income against
terrorism. He is seeking some $7.2 billion claiming the attacks were
two separate events.

WTC 7 mysteriously collapsed at 5:25 p.m. on 9-11, in what appears to
have been a controlled demolition. John Wholihan, a firefighter with
Rescue 5 from Staten Island was near WTC 7 when it collapsed. Wholihan
told American Free Press that he heard "many explosions" just before
the building collapsed neatly within the perimeter of its foundation.
Silverstein received some $441 million in insurance money for WTC 7
although the cause of the collapse remains officially unexplained.

Peterson co-founded the Blackstone Group with Stephen A. Schwarzman, a
member of the CFR and Skull and Bones. Both George W. Bush and his
father are also Skull and Bones, as is John F. Kerry, the Democrat
presidential candidate.

Commission spokesman Alvin Felzenberg and commission member Fred
Fielding served on the Bush transition team in 2001. Felzenberg was
executive director of the President's Commission on the Federal
Appointments Process.

Most of the commission's work is done behind closed doors; it has only
held three open sessions. The third session, "Terrorism, Al Qaeda, and
the Muslim World," on July 9 concluded with Steven Emerson, the
self-styled terrorism "expert" whose anti-Muslim rants appear often in
the controlled press, particularly on Fox News and NBC News, where he
is a consultant.

The controlled media generally accepts the government's version of
9-11 events as doctrine ignoring the numerous contradictions and
unanswered questions.

Intriguing testimony was heard during the commission's second open
session on May 23 when officials from the Department of Transportation
and the Air Force appeared.

CHENEY IN CHARGE

While two planes had already smashed into the World Trade Center and
with two other rogue aircraft - one headed for Washington - being
tracked by civil and military aviation authorities, President George
W. Bush continued to calmly read and discuss a story of a goat with
school children in Florida.

Rather than leaving to take charge of the national emergency, Bush
continued to read for another thirty minutes. The only explanation for
this bizarre behavior is that Bush had anticipated the event and knew
it was being controlled by Vice President Dick Cheney.

The testimony of Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta on May 23
about Cheney's actions is revealing. Mineta said he arrived at the
Presidential Emergency Operating Center (PEOC) at 9:20 a.m. where he
observed the Vice President taking charge:

Mineta: There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice
president, "The plane is 50 miles out…The plane is 30 miles out." And
when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also
said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?"
And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said,
"Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the
contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And…

Hamilton: The flight you're referring to is the…

Mineta: The flight that came into the Pentagon.

After some discussion of whether Cheney's orders meant to shoot down
the hijacked aircraft, it was clearly stated on the record that there
were no such orders to do so, which raises the obvious question of
what "the orders" were:

Hamilton: And so there was no specific order there to shoot that plane
down.

Mineta: No, sir.

Hamilton: But there were military planes in the air in position to
shoot down commercial aircraft.

Mineta: That's right. The planes had been scrambled, I believe, from
Otis at that point.

Mineta is referring to two F-15 fighter jets from the 102 Fighter Wing
at Otis Air National Guard Base, near Cape Cod, Mass. As the North
American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) responded to the
hijackings, these planes reportedly flew to New York City in order to
intercept the two planes that had been hijacked after leaving Boston's
Logan Airport. There are numerous unanswered questions about the
actions taken by NORAD aircraft and why they were unable to intercept
any of the hijacked passenger planes.

HOW FAST IS FAST?

The two F-15s were scrambled at Otis ANGB at 8:46 a.m. as the first
tower at the World Trade Center was struck. By 8:52 they were airborne
and according to one of the pilots flying at full speed to New York
City.

Told "This looks like the real thing," Lt. Col. Timothy Duffy jammed
the F-15's throttles into afterburner and the two planes flew the 153
miles to New York City at "supersonic speeds," according to an
Aviation Week & Space Technology (AW) article of June 3, 2002. "It
just seemed wrong. I just wanted to get there. I was in full-blower
all the way," Duffy said.

The F-15 Eagle is capable of flying 1,875 mph (Mach 2.5+) and has a
range of 3,000 nautical miles. At full speed the Otis F-15s should
have reached New York City in about 5 minutes, by 8:58 a.m. The armed
fighter jets would then have been in position to intercept the second
hijacked plane, which struck the south tower at about 9:02 a.m.

The F-15s from Otis were "cocked and loaded, and even had extra gas on
board," according to Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) commander
Col. Robert K. Marr. Air Force Capt. Wes Ticer, spokesman for Air
Combat Command told American Free Press that an F-15 at "full power"
reaches 1,875 mph, although its velocity varies depending on the
plane's weight and altitude.

Col. Alan Scott (Ret.) presented NORAD's timeline to the commission on
May 23. In this timeline the F-15 fighter jets are said to be 71
miles, "about eight minutes out," from the World Trade Center at 9:02
a.m. when the second tower was struck. This indicates the fighters had
traveled only 83 miles in some nine minutes, flying about 550 mph
(Mach 0.9). Scott told the commission that the interceptors jets,
which would have been flying at less than 30 percent of their full
speed, were "going very fast" - and nobody questioned it.

VIGILANT GUARDIAN

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold, commander of the Continental U.S. NORAD Region
(CONAR) at Tyndall AFB, Fla., was informed by Marr about the suspected
hijacked aircraft shortly after 8:40 a.m. Arnold, who then headed the
1st Air Force for Air Combat Command, was in Air Operations Center
preparing for another day of a major NORAD counter-terrorism exercise
that morning called "Vigilant Guardian."

The National Reconnaissance Office in Chantilly, Va., a branch of the
military intelligence community that operates the nation's spy
satellites was engaged in a similar exercise in which a passenger jet
leaving the nearby Dulles Airport would crash into the NRO building.

"I told him to scramble; we'll get clearances later," Arnold said. On
Sept. 11, a time consuming bureaucratic procedure was required before
scrambling defensive interceptor jets. FAA officials had to contact
the National Military Command Center (NMCC) and request Pentagon air
support. The NMCC then had to call NORAD's command center and ask
about availability of aircraft and finally approval had to come from
the Defense Secretary - Donald H. Rumsfeld – before launching
fighters. This time consuming procedure was the result of a Chairman
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction dated June 1, 2001.

CANADIAN COMMANDERS?

However, rather than getting approval from Rumsfeld, two Canadian
officers, serving as NORAD directors on the morning of 9-11, approved
the fighters' launch according to the Aviation Week article. Capt.
Michael H. Jellinek, a British-born Canadian officer was serving as
NORAD command director and another Canadian, Maj. Gen. Eric A. Findley
was NORAD's director of operations. Findley, positioned at NORAD
headquarters in Colorado's Cheyenne Mountain Air Force Station for the
Vigilant Guardian exercise "quickly approved the fighters' launch,"
according to AW. While NORAD has been faulted for its failures on
9-11, it should be noted that it was the Canadian officer Jellinek who
was NORAD's "director of plans, requirements and readiness" on Sept.
11, 2001.

American Free Press has filed a written request with NORAD asking for
clarification of who was in the chain-of-command and who actually
approved the launching of the fighter jets on 9-11 and why foreign
officers were making decisions during a national crisis in the United
States. A NORAD spokesman said that an answer would not be readily
available.

A year after 9-11, Arnold told ABC News that when he heard of the
hijacking, "The first thing that went through my mind was, ‘Is this
part of the exercise? Is this some kind of screw-up?'"

In a September 23, 2001 interview with Mike Taibbi of Dateline NBC,
Arnold said the F-15s from Otis were travelling about 1,200 mph:

ARNOLD: In the meantime, our pilots were coming at about 1.5 Mach,
which is, you know, somewhere -11 or 12 hundred miles an hour.

TAIBBI: And they know where they're going at that point? The first...

ARNOLD: They're coming to New York. They're coming to New York. That's
exactly right.

Because of the different reports concerning the speed of the Otis
F-15s bound for New York City, American Free Press sent a written
inquiry to NORAD requesting clarification of their velocity. Sgt. Gary
Carpenter told AFP that "based on the nature of the questions" NORAD's
responses would take considerable time.

The Secretary of Defense was supposed to approve the launching of
interceptor jets. However, while the vice president was in the PEOC
monitoring the approach of the aircraft that struck the Pentagon,
Rumsfeld told ABC News' Sam Donaldson shortly after 9-11 that he had
been completely unaware of the approaching plane:

Donaldson: On Tuesday I am told the FAA notified someone in the
Pentagon that there was a rogue plane apparently headed toward
Washington. But you didn't know it, am I correct? -- until it hit?

Rumsfeld: I was in the Pentagon and felt the shock of the attack, and…

Donaldson: What did you think it was?

Rumsfeld: A bomb? I had no idea. I looked out the window and raced
down the corridors till the smoke was too bad and then went outside,
and saw the devastation and talked to an eyewitness who told me that
he had seen an aircraft plow into the Pentagon between the first and
second floor.

Donaldson: Could you believe it?

Rumsfeld: No. It's just -- it was a sight -- just amazing.

Richard Ben Veniste of the commission asked NORAD's Major General
Craig McKinley if the "concept of terrorists using airplanes as
weapons was not something which was unknown to the U.S. intelligence
community on September 10, 2001?"

McKinley did not answer the question directly saying, "I'd like the
intelligence community to address that." When Ben Veniste read a list
of attempts to crash planes into buildings, including the White House,
McKinley said NORAD was "not postured" for what occurred on 9-11.
"Threats of killing hostages or crashing [planes] were left to the
script writers," McKinley said.

Indeed, in early 2000 a writer working for Rupert Murdoch's Fox TV
wrote a screenplay that was an uncanny premonition of what occurred on
Sept. 11, 2001. In the Murdoch film, a passenger airliner was hijacked
remotely by a computer hacker and flown into the World Trade Center.
The pilot episode of The Lone Gunman, a spin off of the X-Files, was
broadcast on March 4, 2001 on Fox TV.

In the Murdoch-financed film, the ground-based staff of a small
Washington-based independent newspaper called The Lone Gunman, is able
to prevent the plane from hitting the tower at the last second by
restoring manual control to the pilots who are able to avoid hitting
the building by mere feet. The "hijackers" in the film were corrupt
elements in the U.S. Air Force and Defense Department who "hacked"
into the plane's navigation system in order to commit a horrible
"terrorist" act in order to promote weapons sales and wars against
"crack-pot dictators around the world begging to be smart bombed."

Andrew Butcher, a spokesman for Fox TV, told American Free Press that
The Lone Gunman was produced and financed by Rupert Murdoch's News
Corp.

The commission's spokesman Felzenberg has also written articles for
Rupert Murdoch's magazine, The Weekly Standard. Murdoch, the media
magnate, openly used his 175 newspapers and Fox television network to
promote the war policy of President George W. Bush and British Prime
Minister Tony Blair. The left-leaning Guardian (UK) wrote in February:
"You have got to admit that Rupert Murdoch is one canny press tycoon
because he has an unerring ability to choose editors across the world
who think just like him. How else can we explain the extraordinary
unity of thought in his newspaper empire about the need to make war on
Iraq?"




The UK businessmen trapped in Guantanamo: Arrested in Gambia,
interrogated in Afghanistan, abandoned in Cuba
Vikram Dodd
Friday July 11, 2003
The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,995989,00.html
The British government is facing claims that it has abandoned two
London businessmen jailed without charge by the US at Guantanamo Bay.

The men's ordeal began last November, when Bisher al-Rawi and Jamil
al-Banna were arrested by British police at Gatwick airport. Although
freed without charge and allowed to travel to Gambia they were
rearrested on arrival and detained for a month by local secret police.

They were then handed over to US agents who flew them to a CIA
interrogation centre at Bagram airbase in Afghanistan, before being
transferred to Camp Delta in Cuba where they have been held since
March.

The men have been jailed for alleged links to al-Qaida after being
branded "enemy combatants". Yet neither they nor their families have
been given any information about the substance of the claims against
them.

Their supporters, who maintain that the men have no involvement in
terrorism, say it was the British authorities who passed information
to the US which led to their detention. The Foreign Office has denied
asking Gambia to arrest them.

Two British nationals who were arrested with them in Gambia, where the
businessmen had set up a peanut oil processing plant, were eventually
freed after the intervention of the British high commissioner.

But the government, already under fire for failing to do enough to
help nine Britons held at Camp Delta, maintains that it will not press
the US authorities over the men's fate because they are not British
citizens.

The foreign secretary, Jack Straw, supports such a stance, but Amnesty
International has branded it as "scandalous".

Mr Rawi, an Iraqi national, lives in the leafy south-west London
suburb of Kingston-upon-Thames. He has been a British resident for 19
years and was granted indefinite leave to remain. His brother and
sister are both British citizens.

Mr Banna, a Jordanian national, was granted refugee status in Britain
in 2000 after seeking sanctuary from persecution.

Britain says both men's countries of birth are the only states who can
provide help. But in Mr Rawi's case, the Iraqi government no longer
exists. In fact, the country is run jointly by Britain and the US.

The bizarre chain of events began as the duo prepared to travel to
Gambia. Special branch officers visited Mr Banna saying they already
knew about his trip. When asked whether they objected, the officers
replied that they did not.

The pair were due to travel on November 2, accompanied by Abdullah
Eljanoudi, a British national. But as they tried to board the plane at
Gatwick all three were ar rested under anti-terrorist legislation and
taken to a police station in Sussex before being transferred to the
high-security Paddington Green station in west London.

Anti-terrorist officers told them the reason for their detention was a
suspect device in their luggage - a battery charger. According to
their lawyer, Gareth Peirce, they had been freed after an Argos
catalogue was produced to prove to the officers that the charger was
widely available.

Six days later the three men flew to Gambia and were met by Mr Rawi's
brother Wahab, a British passport holder who had flown out several
days before.

But on arrival in the capital Banjul, all four were arrested by
Gambia's national intelligence agency (NIA).

According to the Rawi family, Gambian agents told one of the brothers
that their arrest followed a request from Britain: "Upon asking they
were told there were irregularities with their papers. At first, Wahab
refused to cooperate with them and asked either for a lawyer or a
representative from the British high commission.

"At his request [the Gambian agents] laughed and told him it was the
British who have told us to arrest you."

They were held at several locations in Banjul, and interrogated first
by NIA agents and then American agents, thought to be from the CIA.

Livio Zilli of Amnesty said: "One of them was reportedly threatened by
a US investigator who told him unless he cooperated he would be handed
over to the Gambian police who would beat and rape him."

It is also alleged that US interrogators threatened: "We can always
let the Gambians at you."

After a month of being held incommunicado, the two British nationals
were freed. But Mr Banna and Bisher al-Rawi were transferred to Bagram
airbase in January 2003, to a section commonly associated with
accusations of torture by US agents. One of the torture techniques is
known as "torture light".

Steven Watt of the Washington-based Centre for Constitutional Rights
said: "It's curious they were taken to Bagram and not straight to
Guantanamo Bay. At Bagram there are two facilities, one run by the CIA
where no one, not even the International Committee for the Red Cross,
has access.

"Nobody knows what techniques are used there, but reports of the use
of 'torture light' have concentrated on the CIA facility at Bagram."

It is thought that they were transferred in March to Guantanamo. Under
Camp Delta's draconian regime, they will have been kept in a small
cell for twenty-three-and-a-half hours each day and allowed out for
just 30 minutes, with both hands and feet shackled.

Their British-based families are now battling to find out any
information they can.

The families only discovered where their relatives were being held
through letters received via the Red Cross. Neither the British nor US
governments had told them anything.

In correspondence to the foreign secretary about British complicity in
the arrest, Mr Rawi's MP, Edward Davey, wrote: "This is not a
conspiracy theory ... In Gambia the group were interviewed by
American officials. They had a file on Bisher, which must have come
from the UK authorities.

"It had information on Bisher's hobbies that he pursued in the UK ...
flying planes and parachuting. Perhaps such hobbies post-September 11
aroused suspicion, but is it illegal to be an Iraqi with a pilot's
licence."

Mr Davey, Liberal Democrat MP for Kingston and Surbiton, said: "My
constituent has been in the UK for nearly 20 years, paying taxes and
has permanent residency rights and has close British relatives.

"The British government is washing their hands of him. For the UK to
say he should get help from a non-existent Iraqi government, when we
are jointly governing the country, is beyond Kafkaesque."

The Rawis' father came to Britain to escape the regime of Saddam
Hussein, which jailed him for two years.

Mr Zilli of Amnesty said the British decision not to help Mr Banna was
"questionable morally and legally". He added: "We have serious
questions about the role the UK may have had in the unlawful rendering
to US custody of these people."

In a letter to Mr Davey, the Foreign Office minister Lady Amos denied
Britain had asked Gambia to arrest the men. In another letter, Mr
Straw denied any government responsibility to help Mr Rawi.

A Foreign Office spokesman said: "The men detained in Gambia are not
British nationals so we're not able to provide any consular or
diplomatic protection
or them.

"The other two who are British nationals, when we learned of their
detention and sought consular access, were released shortly after the
British high commissioner in Gambia intervened."

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003
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Bush Knew Iraq Info Was False — CBS NEWS

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US, UK Giants Get Bulk Of Iraqi Crude
7-11-3

LONDON (Reuters) -- BP, PLC, and Royal Dutch/Shell Group
said yesterday they have each won the right to purchase 2 million
barrels of Iraqi crude in what industry sources said was the first
sale of crude pumped in Iraq since war ended. BP and Shell plan to
load the oil later this month at Mina Al Bakr. BP said it planned to
ship its oil to the U.S. while Shell refused to say where it expected
to sell its crude. Iraq's State Oil Marketing Organisation (SOMO)
confirmed that U.S energy group ChevronTexaco and Swiss trading firm
Taurus also won bids for similar lots of Basra light crude. "We look
forward to developing a long-term relationship with SOMO," a Shell
spokesman said.
In Pretoria, U.S. President George W. Bush ducked queries over a White
House admission that he used flawed intelligence on Iraq's nuclear
programme, while insisting he was right to oust Saddam Hussain.
Facing reporters for the first time since the admission early
Tuesday that he had overstated Iraq's alleged efforts to procure
uranium, Bush said: "There is no doubt in my mind that Saddam was a
threat to the world peace and there is no doubt in my mind the U.S.
with our allies and friends did the right thing in removing him from
power."
"I am absolutely confident in the decision I made," he said at a
press appearance with South Africa President Thabo Mbeki.
In Chicago, a 60-year-old Iraqi-born publisher was arrested at his
home yesterday and charged with providing information to Saddam's
intelligence agency about the deposed leader's foes. Khaled Abdul
Latif Dumeisi, who has been in the U.S. for about 10 years, was
described in an affidavit as an "unregistered agent" for the former
Iraqi government who reported on Iraqi exile leaders and provided
press identification cards for Iraqi intelligence officers.

In one case, it was alleged Dumeisi was trained by Iraqi intelligence
to use a pen with a hidden camera and microphone, which he later used
to record an interview with an unnamed member of the Iraqi
opposition.

Dumeisi was charged with acting as a foreign agent, which carries a
maximum 10-year prison term, and conspiracy, which carries a
potential five-year term.

In Iraq, the Central Command also announced the seizure of between
400 and 500 rocket-propelled grenades in a vehicle travelling west of
Baghdad, whose four Iraqi passengers were arrested.

Despite the big name catches, there was no pause in the attacks on
U.S. soldiers which seem to have picked up despite a barrage of U.S.
military offensives this past month in central Iraq, the hub of
support for Saddam. Gunmen fired rocket-propelled grenades overnight
at U.S. positions in the hotspot town of Fallujah, west of the
capital. U.S. forces also announced the arrest of two top Baathists.
Mizban Khadr Al Hadi, former Baath leader, turned himself in on
Tuesday. Ex-interior minister Mahmud Dhiyab Al Ahmad was also
captured. Also yesterday, U.S. officials said recruiting for a new
army force (the term is "Quisling") will begin July 19 in Baghdad,
Mosul and Basra.

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Mr. Bush, You Are A Liar
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Friday 11 July 2003

There was a picture on the front page of the New York Times on
Tuesday, July 8. It showed several American soldiers in Iraq sitting
in utter dejection as they were informed by their battalion commander
that none of them were going home anytime soon, and no one knew
exactly when they were going home at all. PFC Harrison Grimes sat in
the center of this photo with his chin in his hand, staring at ground
that was thousands of miles from his family and friends. A soldier
caught in the picture just over PFC Grimes' shoulder had a look on his
face that could break rocks.

212 of PFC Grimes' fellow soldiers have died in Iraq, and 1,044 more
have been wounded. The war created chaos in the cities, and it seems
clear now that very little in the way of preparation was made to
address the fact that invasion leads to social bedlam, not to mention
a lot of shooting. Last Sunday, CNN's Judy Woodruff showed a clip of a
Sergeant Charles Pollard, who said, "All we are here is potential
people to be killed and sitting ducks."

According to the numbers, almost two thirds of the soldiers killed in
Iraq since May 1 died in "non-combat related" mishaps like accidental
weapons discharges, accidental detonations of unexploded ordnance, and
questionable car crashes. There are some in the world who might take
comfort from the fact that only one third of the dead since May came
from snipers or bombs or rocket-propelled grenades. Dead is dead,
however. There is no comforting them.

A significant portion of the dead and wounded came after Bush
performed his triumphant swagger across the deck of an aircraft
carrier that was parked just outside San Diego bay. Those dead and
wounded came because the Bush administration's shoddy planning for
this whole event left the troopers on the firing line wide open to the
slow and debilitating bloodletting they have endured. A significant
portion of the dead and wounded came after Bush stuck his beady chin
out on national television and said, "Bring 'em on!"

When a leader sends troops out into the field of battle, they become
his responsibility. When his war planning is revealed to be profoundly
faulty, flawed in ways that are getting men killed, he should not
stick his banty rooster chest out to the cameras and speak with the
hollow bravado of a man who knows he is several time zones away from
the violence and bloodshed.

Such behavior is demonstrably criminal from a moral standpoint. The
events that led to this reprehensible display were criminal in a far
more literal sense.

Bush and the White House told the American people over and over again
that Iraq was in possession of vast stockpiles of chemical, biological
and nuclear weapons. Bush and the White House said over and over again
that this was a direct threat to the United States. Bush and the White
House told the American people over and over again that Iraq was
directly connected to al Qaeda terrorism, and would hand those
terrible
weapons over to the terrorists the first chance they got. Bush and the
White House told Congress the same thing. Very deliberately, Bush and
the White House tied a war in Iraq to the attack of September 11.

It was all a lie. All of it.

When George W. Bush delivered his constitutionally-mandated State of
the
Union Address in January 2003, he stated flatly that Iraq was
attempting
to develop a nuclear weapons program. "The British government has
learned," said Bush in his speech, "that Saddam Hussein recently
sought
significant quantities of uranium in Africa." He delivered this
proclamation on the basis of intelligence reports which claimed that
Iraq was attempting to procure uranium from the African nation of
Niger.

Vice President Cheney got the Niger ball rolling in a speech delivered
August 26, 2002 when he said Saddam Hussein had "resumed his effort to
acquire nuclear weapons." As the data clearly shows, Mr. Cheney was a
central player in the promulgation of the claim that Iraq was grubbing
for uranium in Africa. This statement was the opening salvo.

CIA Director George Tenet made this same claim in a briefing to the
Senate Intelligence Committee on September 24, 2002. This briefing was
the deciding factor for a number of Senatorial fence-sitters unsure
about voting for war. Bush, in a speech delivered on the eve of the
Congressional vote for war on Iraq, referenced the Niger uranium
claims
again when he raised the specter of a "mushroom cloud" just three
sentences after evoking "The horror of September 11."

That sealed the deal. Congress voted for war, and a clear majority of
the people supported the President.

In the last week, a blizzard of revelations from high-ranking members
of
the intelligence community has turned these Bush administration claims
inside out. It began with a New York Times editorial by Joseph Wilson,
former US ambassador to several African nations. Wilson was dispatched
in February of 2002 at the behest of Dick Cheney to investigate the
veracity of the Niger evidence. Wilson spent eight days digging
through
the data, and concluded that the evidence was completely worthless.
The
documents in question which purportedly indicated Iraqi attempts to
purchase uranium were crude forgeries.

Upon his return in February of 2002, Ambassador Wilson reported back
to
the people who sent him on his errand. According to his editorial, the
CIA, the State Department, the National Security Council and the Vice
President's office were all informed that the Niger documents were
forged. "That information was erroneous, and they knew about it well
ahead of both the publication of the British white paper and the
president's State of the Union address," said Wilson in a 'Meet the
Press' interview last Sunday.

"I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence
related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate
the
Iraqi threat," Wilson wrote in his Times editorial. "A legitimate
argument can be made that we went to war under false pretenses." He
elaborated further in a Washington Post interview, saying, "It really
comes down to the administration misrepresenting the facts on an issue
that was a fundamental justification for going to war. It begs the
question, what else are they lying about?"

Ambassador Wilson's claims are not easily dismissed. Wilson is a
23-year
veteran of the foreign service who was the top diplomat in Baghdad
before the first Gulf War. In 1990, he was lauded by the first
President
Bush for his work. "What you are doing day in and day out under the
most
trying conditions is truly inspiring," cabled Bush Sr. "Keep fighting
the good fight."

A great hue and cry has been raised as to the timing of the data
delivery to the policy-makers. Don Rumsfeld and Condoleezza Rice have
both claimed they knew nothing of the forged Niger evidence, claiming
the information was buried in the "bowels" of the intelligence
services.
Vice President Cheney's office has made similar demurrals. Obviously,
the administration is attempting to scapegoat the CIA.

Given the nature of Wilson's claims, and given who he is, and given
the
fact that he was sent to Niger at the behest of Dick Cheney, it is
absurd to believe the administration was never given the data they
specifically asked for over a year before the war began, and eleven
months before Bush's fateful State of the Union Address.

27-year CIA veteran Ray McGovern, writing in a recent editorial,
described a conversation he had with a senior official who recently
served at the National Security Council. "The fact that Cheney's
office
had originally asked that the Iraq-Niger report be checked out," said
the official, "makes it inconceivable that his office would not have
been informed of the results."

Wilson is not alone. Greg Thielmann served as Director of the State
Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research until his retirement
in
September. Mr. Thielmann has come forward recently to join Ambassador
Wilson in denouncing the Bush administration's justifications for war
in
Iraq.

"I believe the Bush administration did not provide an accurate picture
to the American people of the military threat posed by Iraq," said
Thielmann on Wednesday. During his press conference, Mr. Thielmann
said
that, as of the commencement of military operations in March of 2003,
"Iraq posed no imminent threat to either its neighbors or to the
United
States". Mr. Thielmann also dismissed the oft-repeated claims of a
connection between Iraq and al Qaeda. "This administration has had a
faith-based intelligence attitude," he said.

Thielmann could have saved his breath, and Wilson could have saved
himself a trip, if the Bush administration had bothered to pay any
attention to the International Atomic Energy Agency. The IAEA's chief
spokesman, Mark Gwozdecky, said on September 26, 2002 that no such
evidence existed to support claims of a nascent Iraqi nuclear program.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer on July 8 stood before the press
corps and said the President's statements during the State of the
Union
address had been "incorrect."

Let us look at the timeline of this and consider the definition of
"incorrect":

· February 2002: Ambassador Joseph Wilson is dispatched by Cheney to
Niger to investigate Iraq-uranium claims. Eight days later, he reports
back that the documentary evidence was a forgery;

· August 26, 2002: Dick Cheney claims Iraq is developing a nuclear
program;

· September 24, 2002: CIA Director Tenet briefs the Senate
Intelligence
Committee on the reported Iraqi nuclear threat, using the Niger
evidence
to back his claims;

· September 26, 2002: The IAEA vigorously denies that any such nuclear
program exists in Iraq;

· October 6, 2002: George W. Bush addresses the nation and threatens
the
American people with "mushroom clouds" delivered by Iraq, using the
same
Niger evidence;

· October 10, 2002: Congress votes for war in Iraq, based on the data
delivered by Tenet and by the nuclear rhetoric from Bush four days
prior;

· January 2003: George W. Bush, in his State of the Union Address,
says,
"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently
sought
significant quantities of uranium in Africa."

· March-April 2003: War in Iraq kills thousands of civilians and
destabilizes the nation;

· April-July 2003: No evidence whatsoever of chemical, biological or
nuclear weapons can be found in Iraq. 212 American soldiers have died,
and 1,044 more have been wounded, as a guerilla war is undertaken by
Iraqi insurgents;

· July 2003: Amid accusations from former intelligence officials, the
Bush administration denies ever having known the Niger evidence was
fake.

The Bush administration knew full well that their evidence was
worthless, and still stood before the American people and told them it
was fact. Bush sent the Director of the CIA to the Senate under orders
to use the same worthless evidence to cajole that body into war.

That is not being "incorrect." That is lying. In the context of Bush's
position as President, and surrounded by hundreds of dead American
soldiers piled alongside thousands of dead Iraqi civilians, that is a
crime.

They know it, too.

A report hit the Reuters wires late Tuesday night announcing the
arrest
of an Iraqi intelligence official named Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir
al-Ani. An unnamed "US official" claimed al-Ani had reportedly met
with
9/11 ringleader Mohammed Atta in Prague just months before the attack.
The old saw about Iraq working fist in glove with al Qaeda to bring
about September 11 was back in the news.

According to the story, neither the CIA or the FBI could confirm this
meeting had taken place. In fact, a Newsweek report from June 9
entitled
"Where are the WMDs?" shows the FBI was completely sure such a meeting
had never taken place. The snippet below is from the Newsweek article;
the 'Cabal' statement refers to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and his
coterie of hawks who have been all-out for war on Iraq since 1997:

"The Cabal was eager to find a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda,
especially proof that Saddam played a role in the 9-11 attacks. The
hard-liners at Defense seized on a report that Muhammad Atta, the
chief
hijacker, met in Prague in early April 2001 with an Iraqi intelligence
official. Only one problem with that story, the FBI pointed out. Atta
was traveling at the time between Florida and Virginia Beach, Va. (The
bureau had his rental car and hotel receipts.)"

Amid the accusations that have exploded surrounding the revelations of
Wilson, Thielmann and other high-ranking intelligence officials, comes
now again reports of the infamous Iraq-al Qaeda connection, an
administration claim meant to justify the war. As with the Niger
forgery, however, it is too easily revealed to be utterly phony.

It reeks of desperation. This administration is learning a lesson that
came to Presidents Nixon and Johnson with bitter tears: Scapegoat the
CIA at your mortal peril.

There are many who believe that blaming George W. Bush for the errors
and gross behavior of his administration is tantamount to blaming
Mickey
Mouse for mistakes made by Disney. There is a great deal of truth to
this. Groups like Rumsfeld's 'Cabal,' and the right-wing think tanks
so
closely associated to the creation of administration foreign policy,
are
very much more in control of matters than Bush.

Yet Bush knew the facts of the matter. He allowed CIA Director Tenet
to
lie to Congress with his bare face hanging out in order to get that
body
to vote for war. He knew the facts and lied himself, on countless
occasions, to an American people who have been loyally supporting him,
even as he beats them over the head with the image of collapsing
towers
and massive death to stoke their fear and dread for his own purposes.
In
doing these things, he consigned 212 American soldiers to death, along
with thousands of innocent bystanders in Iraq. Given the current
circumstances, there will be more dead to come.

There is no "The President wasn't told" justification available here,
no
Iran/Contra loophole. He knew. He lied. His people knew. They lied.

Death knows no political affiliation, and a bloody lie is a bloody lie
is a bloody lie. The time has come for Congress to fulfill their
constitutional duties in this matter, to defend the nation and the
soldiers who live and die in her service. The definition of 'is' has
flown right out the window. This 'is' a crime. George W. Bush lied to
the people, and lied to Congress. There are a lot of people dead
because
of it.

One Congresswoman, Democratic Representative Jan Schakowsky of
Illinois,
released a statement on July 8 that cuts right to the heart of the
matter:

"After months of denials, President Bush has finally admitted that he
misled the American public during his State of the Union address when
he
claimed that Iraq attempted to purchase uranium in Africa. That is why
we need an independent commission to determine the veracity of the
other
so-called evidence used to convince the American people that war with
Iraq was unavoidable.

"It is not enough for the White House to issue a statement saying that
President Bush should not have used that piece of intelligence in his
State of the Union address at a time when he was trying to convince
the
American people that invading Iraq was in our national security
interests. Did the president know then what he says he only knows now?
If not, why not, since that information was available at the highest
level.

"What else did the Bush Administration lie about? What other faulty
information did Administration officials, including President Bush,
tell
the American people and the world? Did the Bush Administration
knowingly
deceive us and manufacture intelligence in order to build public
support
for the invasion of Iraq? Did Iraq really pose an imminent threat to
our
nation? These questions must be answered. The American people deserve
to
know the full truth."

The voice of Rep. Schakowsky must be followed by others both within
and
without the majority. If nothing is done about this, American justice
is
a sad, sorry, feeble joke.

-------

William Rivers Pitt is the Managing Editor of truthout.org. He is a
New
York Times best-selling author of two books - "War On Iraq" available
now from Context Books, and "The Greatest Sedition is Silence," now
available from Pluto Press at www.SilenceIsSedition.com.

© Copyright 2003 by TruthOut.org
Everyman
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Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Sounds like you are advocating the violent over throw of the government.
Ralph Nesbitt
Sounds like you are defending the violent (9-11 frameup conspiracy )
overthrow of the government, Ralph.


By the way, I know you don't know anything about airplanes, but
perhaps you could pass this on to your cubical mate down in the boiler
room, Sarah Spinner StJarna CCummings Anablep Roberts, for her wise
comments:


Answers to questions and new evidence: 91101 Pentagon
Mass-Murder Frameup Confirmed many times over.

1. Was the plane over the Annex or over the Pike?

Answer, it was over the Annex and not over the straight stretch of the
Pike that passes the Annex -- although the Pike curves sharply north
and back again between the straight stretch and the Pentagon -- people
on the Pike who say the Boeing went over their heads were presumably
driving on that northernward bend in the road. The gas station where
Sgt. Lagasse saw the Boeing pass is in that northward bend in the
Pike.

Sgt. Lagasse from the gas station saw the "starboard" of the plane as
it passed him. This would place the Boeing over the Annex, in fact
over the northern end of the Annex. Note also that he says the plane
was "closer to Columbia Pike itself" which means North of the Pike
and not over the Pike. So we have many witnesses saying that the
Boeing came over the Annex and a witness who indicates that it was
north of the Pike and who says he saw the starboard side (southfacing
side) of the plane as it flew past him to the gas station.

Here are his exact words:

" it was not over Arlington National Cemetery but
closer to Columbia pike itself, there is a small grove
of trees that would have shielded anyone on 27 from
seeing the aircraft until it was literally on top of them
...again not much time to make the assessment. I
identified it as American Airlines almost as soon as
I saw it and radioed that it had struck the building. I
was on the Starboard side of the aircraft. There was
very little wake turbulence that I can recall, which
was surprising to me. The aircraft DID NOT have its
landing gear or flaps extended. "

From:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message/20

See also the second part of statements by Lagasse:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message/21




2. Did turbulence off the wing of the killer jet bring down any of
the poles along the Washington Blvd cloverleaf interchange?

A man called me from New Mexico who states that in that state he saw
an F-16 flying along a desert highway at about 20 feet and that the
wing turbulence was creating giant clouds of thick dust on each side.

Above, we read, in the quotated statement by Sgt. Lagasse, that there
was no turbulence as the plane flew by. A non-internet investigator
has provided me with the following Lagasse quote made to ABC
Nightline, 9/11/02 (Lexis-Nexis) from which I excerpt these lines:

" ...but I saw the aircraft above my head about
80 feet above the ground ...

(Note that this is a height taller than the Pentagon (71' ) and
Lagasse was
at the gas station just across Washington Blvd. from the crash -- the
gas station on ground higher than the ground near the Pentagon (which
sits in the floodplain of the Potomac.)

"... Before I could really think, I had my door open, and the, off the
wing pushed me kinda into my car. And I don't know if I half dove
into the car or if I leaned into the car, but I got on the radio and,
broadcast. I said a plane is, heading toward the heliport side of the
building. ... And I stayed in the car for a second because the plane
was so low ..."

This supports my contention that there was a break between LaGasse
seeing the Boeing fly past him and experiencing the crash.


3. What about the C-130 that people observed.

The C-130 was not observed anywhere near the path of the killer jet,
which approached very near ground level from the southwest at near
Mach 1 speed -- just as no one sees the missile that kills them --
the killer jet would have been more likely to be mistaken for the
Boeing's shadow on the ground than the C-130, had it been seen at
all.

I have serious problems with this C-130, although I am sure it was
there and that it was piloted by Lt. Col. Steve O'Brian. The C-130
was a Minnesota National Guard cargo plane that was just taking off
from Andrews AFB (across the river from Reagan National southsoutheast
of the Pentagon) "after moving military supplies around the
Carribbean" How's that? What was it, a drug runner, a vacation
junketer, or just supplying Guantanamo with a few odds and ends --
Why the Minnesota National Guard in the Carribbean?)

At any rate, O'Brian saw the 757:

"We took off, we headed north and west and had a beautiful view of the
Mall. I noticed this ariplane up and to the left of us, at 10
o'clock. He was descending to our altitutde, four miles away or so.
That's awful close, so I was surprised he wasn't calling out to us.
It was like coming up to an interesection. When air traffic asked me
if we had him in sight, I told him that was an understatement -- by
then, he had pretty much filled our windscreen. Then he made a pretty
aggressive turn so how was moving right in front of us, a mile and a
half, two miles away. I said we had him in sight, then the controller
asked me what kind of plane it was. That caught us up, because
normally they have all that information. The controller didn't seem
to know anything. They told us to turn and follow that aircraft -- in
20 plus years of flying, I've never been asked to do something like
that. With all the East Coast haze, I had a hard time picking him
out. The next thing I saw was the fireball. IT was huge. I told
Washington the airplane had impacted the ground. Shook everyone up
pretty good. I told them the approximate location was close to the
Potomac. I figured he'd had some flight emergency and was trying to
get back on the ground to Washington National [meaning Reagan National
--de] Suddenly I could see the outline of the Pentagon. It was
horrible. I told Washington this thing has impacted the west side of
the Pentagon."

Please note that O'Brian is not directly quoted as saying it was an
airliner and that in the last sentence quoted above that he refers to
the aircraft as "this thing has impacted the west side of the
Pentagon" -- if he knew it was an airliner would he not have said
the most important fact of all, that an AIRLINER had impacted the
Pentagon. It is interesting that everything is quoted, except the
Minnesota Star-Tribune writer writing exactly one year later inserts
this non-quote into the text -- "O'Brian reported that the plane was
either a 757 or 767 and its silver fuselage meant it was probably an
American Airlines jet." Why would the writer one year later depart
from quotation and insert this remark with just these critical
official-story supporting details???

One more mystery. Even as the plane was taking off -- the order was
already out that all planes were to be immediately grounded (except an
undisclosed number of special missions -- that, amazingly did not
include D.C. interceptors) -- and that at this time all planes were
ordered down (which made it easy for Flight 77 to land at Reagan
unscheduled and unnoticed) -- but apparently O'Brians C-130 was one
of the exceptions!

Read this -- note the mix of O'Brian and the writer:

"I told Washington this thing had impacted the west side of the
Pentagon." O'Brian asked the controller whether he should set up a
low orbit around the building but was told to get out of the area as
quickly as possible. "I took the plane once through the plume of
smoke and thought if this was a terrorist attack, it probably wasn't a
good idea to be flying through plume." He flew west, not exactly sure
where he was supposed to land. SOmewhere over western Pennsylvania,
O'Brian looked down at a blackened, smoldering field. "I hoped it was
just a fire or something, but when I checked with Cleveland center, he
told me he'd just lost a guy off the scope pretty close to where we
saw it. By then, we were able to patch in AM radio, so we heard about
all the planes. It was like a domino effect -- a really bad day for
airplanes." He finally landed at the Youngstown, Ohio, airport. ....
"

Whatever the intention, the presence of the C-130 was a successful
distraction from the overfly of Flight 77 and its subsequent landing
at Reagan National.

For example, Scott P. Cook, watching from a fifth floor building in
Washington D.C. states:

"As we watched the black plume gather strength, less than a minute
after the explosion, we saw an odd sight that no one else has yet
commented on. Directly in back of the plume, which would place it
almost due west from our office, a four-engine propeller plane, which
Ray later said resembled a C-130, started a steep decent towards the
Pentagon. It was coming from an odd direction (planes don't go
east-west in the area), and it was descending at a much steeper angle
than most aircraft. Trailing a thin diffuse black trail from its
engines, the plane reached the Pentagon at a low altitude and made a
sharp left turn, passing just north of the plume, and headed straight
for the White House."
http://www.clothmonkey.com/91101.htm



What a show. It flys over the Pentagon then turns left headed for
the White House less than a minute after the explosion and coming from
a high altitude so it would get everyone's attention!!!

What a distraction from the Boeing which turned right to get to
Reagan!!! The C-130, whatever other purpose it may have served, was
certainly an effective ruse, concealing by distraction, the
disappearance of Flight 77 as effectively as the smoke from the killer
jet's crash.

These witnesses were distracted by the C-130:

John O'Keefe: "it looked like a C-130 cargo plane --started turning
away from the Pentagon ....

Brian Kennedy: "There was a plane over the capitol; I was there, and
I saw it. ...I was standing outside the Capitol."

Allen Cleveland -- "Soon after the crash I witnessed a military cargo
plane -- possibly a C-130 -- fly over the crash site and cricle the
mushroom cloud. My brohter also witnessed the same plane following
the jet while he was on the HOV lanes in Springfield. He said that he
saw a jet liner flying low over the tree tops near Seminary Rd. in
Springfield, VA. and soon afterwards a military plane was seen flying
right behind it."

Vin Narayanan: "I hoped out of my car after the jet exploded, nearly
oblivious to a second jet hovering in the skies." (note: the C-130 is
not a jet)

Unnamed observer at the Naval Annex: "We constantly scanned skyward
with our "eyeball radar," noting the sound of every jet engine seemed
to make us jump. Fortunatly the only aircraft noise was the crisp
distinctive ripping sound was of Air Force F-16's ... The only large
fixed wing wing aircraft to appear was a gray C-130, which appeared to
be a Navy electronic warfare aircraft, he seemed to survey the area
and depart in on a westerly heading." (note: What indicata would
cause him to think the C-130 was outfitted for electronic warfare???)

Keith Wheelhouse: "The second plane looked similar to a C-130
transport plane, he said. He believes it flew directly over the
American Airlines jet, as if to prevent the two planes from appearing
on radar while at the same time guiding the jet toward the Petnaton.
insists he was not confused by other air traffic. (AND THIS IS THE
ONLY WITNESS TO BE VISITED BY THE FBI, THE VERY NEXT DAY! AS IF THEY
DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE C-130 -- SO WHY INTERVIEW WHEELHOUSE???? --DE)

Kelly Knowles: "lives in an apartment a few miles from the Pentagon,
said some sort of plane followed the doomed American Airlines jet
toward the Pentagon, then veered away after the explosion."

Arlington Cemetery worker: "...who declined to be interviewed in
front of the media ... 'a mysterious second plane was circling the
area when the first one attacked the Pentagon.' "

Phillip Thompson, on Interstate 395 HOV lanes directly south of the
Naval Annex and Columbia Pike and looking North: "Then a gray C-130
flew overhead, setting off a new round of panic. I tried to reassure
people that the plane was not a threat."

And so we see that with the C-130 it served as a distraction while
Flight 77, already hidden by smoke and the distraction of the killer
jet crash blended into the Reagan National air traffic. All eyes that
were not fixed on the Pentagon became fixed on the C-130 which then
flew left -- taking their eyes away from where the Boeing went.


3. If the killer jet was travelling at Mach 1 (speed of sound), did
anyone hear a sonic boom? And did any witness who saw the Boeing say
it was flying east to west and not from the southwest?

Yes on the boom and yess on the east-west approach of the Boeing. In
fact most witnesses who described the direction of attack of the
Boeing described it going straight in -- and the major media as well
as the Army Times, based on witness accounts, all showed a
perpendicular approach. I recall several animated graphis depicting
this. In fact it was not until I had proven that the Boeing could
not have been the killer jet and come in at a perpendicular angle
because of the standing lamp post straight in front of the crash --
that Sarah Roberts (aka StJarna, spinner, anablep and isopodia) and
Ron Harvey came on the scene with the downed lamp posts that actually
were blown down by the F-16 killer jet that came from the southwest.
But the introduction of the downed poles only cemented in the path of
the killer jet -- it did not contradict what the witnesses had
already established -- that the Boeing flew over the Annex and that
it was too high and at the wrong angle to have downed the poles and
made the entry and exit holes in the Pentagon first-floor walls.

Here is a witnesses who reports both the sonic boom and the east-west
direction:

Joel Sucherman: "Well while listening to the radio reports of the
World Trade Center problem, there was a sonic boom, and looking
straight ahead there was a jet, whot looked to be an American Airlines
jet, probably a 757, and it came screaming across the highway. It was
Route 110 on the west side of the Pentagon. The plane went west ot
east, hit the west side of the Pentagon. Immediately flames were
searing up into the air. THere was white smoke, and then within
seconds, thick black smoke. .. Then there was another plane, that was
off to the southwest, and that made a beeline straight up into the sky
and then angled off and we weren't sure if that was going to come
around and make another hit or if it ws just trying to get out of the
way. That disappeared and we didn't see it again... I did not see the
engines, I saw the body and the tail and it was a silver jet with the
marking along the windows that spoke to me as an American Airlines
jet. This was not a commercial, excuse me, business jet, right it was
not a Learjet, Gulfstream something like that. It was a bigger
plane."

Note, btw, that Sucherman is the only witnesses who reports white
smoke before black smoke, consistent with the Pentagon security camera
pictures in sequence #2, #3 and #4. This makes Sucherman an
especially important witness because of this established accuracy on a
detail that so many others -- maybe all the others -- missed.

And remember, the C-130 is not a small plane. And there were
witnesses who reported a smaller plane, either as the attacker or
present during the attack.

"Pentagon spokesman Rear Adm. Craig Quigley said later Tuesday that he
also heard reports of a smaller second plane, but could not confirm
it. "
http://www.pittsburgh.com/partners/wpxi/pentagonattack.html


"Couldn't confirm it?" Does that mean he was under orders not to
confirm it? He certainly never "got back to you on that," did he?)

My thanks to Chris Pille for many of these quotations.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington

The Pentagon Attack was part of a Mass-Murder Frameup by a Ring of
Traitors led by Donald Rumsfled, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle,
Richard Cheney, Rice, Kissinger, Gen. Meyer and others. There is not
room left for doubt.

Review the evidence:

Dick Eastman:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/messages

Eric Bart:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart/index.html

Jean-Pierre DesMoulins
http://earth-citizens.net


Gerard Holmgren
http://hamilton.indymedia.org:8081/front.php3?article_id=1786&group=webcast
http://www.world-action.co.uk/conspiracy.html

Eastman-APFN:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm

Killtown:
http://www.koolpages.com/killtown911/flight77/tail.html


I also trust the work and dedication of these investigators (Not in
any order and grouped in threes merely for easy reading):

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war (Neils Groenveld et al.)
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/ (Ian Henshaw et al.)

http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/
http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm (Frank Levin)
http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html

http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html
http://www.911timeline.net/
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html

http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com

http://www.antiwar.com
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/

http://digipressetmp4.teaser.fr/site/dossier.php?dosnum=60
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htmhttp://www.
http://asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htm

http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/4578.php
http://hamilton.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1786&group=webcast
http://buffalo.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=3265
Bertie the Bunyip
2003-07-13 21:27:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Everyman
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Sounds like you are advocating the violent over throw of the
government. Ralph Nesbitt
Sounds like you are defending the violent (9-11 frameup conspiracy )
overthrow of the government, Ralph.
Good lord.

What a fucking idiot.

Bertie
Bertie the Bunyip
2003-07-14 12:10:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bertie the Bunyip
Post by Everyman
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Sounds like you are advocating the violent over throw of the
government. Ralph Nesbitt
Sounds like you are defending the violent (9-11 frameup conspiracy
) overthrow of the government, Ralph.
What a fucking idiot.
Bertie
True or False. If "Bertie the Bunyip" and Ralph Nesbitt believed that
9-11 was the work of a criminal ring that had gained control of the
white house and the defense department in order to foment unnecessary
wars for the sake of war profits would they remain loyal to the
perpetrating adminstration anyway?
I'm not loyal to the twats as it is, you fjuckwit.

Bertie
Bertie the Bunyip
2003-07-14 23:26:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bertie the Bunyip
Post by Bertie the Bunyip
Post by Everyman
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Sounds like you are advocating the violent over throw of the
government. Ralph Nesbitt
Sounds like you are defending the violent (9-11 frameup conspiracy
) overthrow of the government, Ralph.
What a fucking idiot.
Bertie
True or False. If "Bertie the Bunyip" and Ralph Nesbitt believed that
9-11 was the work of a criminal ring that had gained control of the
white house and the defense department in order to foment unnecessary
wars for the sake of war profits would they remain loyal to the
perpetrating adminstration anyway?
I'm not loyal to the twats as it is, you fjuckwit.
Bertie
You just strive to support their positions.
No I don't.

they also believe the world is round, so when you agree the world is round
do you support them politically?

oop, may have been a bad example.

Bertie
senhor san
2003-07-06 06:30:56 UTC
Permalink
Machinery of International Justice backed by world opinion begins movement
against Bush, Blair and the Zionist Billionaires backing them.

=========

The Japan Times
Bush 'indicted' over war crimes
Wed Jul 2 16:46:46 2003
208.152.73.2

Bush 'indicted' over war crimes

A group of Japanese lawyers unveiled documents Monday "indicting" U.S.
President George W. Bush for war crimes allegedly committed against the
Afghan people since the United States-led coalition began its antiterrorism
campaign in Afghanistan in October 2001.

"This is an act that breaks international rules, such as the idea of
(honoring) human rights, that have been formed over so many years," said
Koken Tsuchiya, former president of the Japan Federation of Bar Associations
and head of the 11-member prosecutors' team in the tribunal. "We decided
this case has sufficient reason to be brought to court."

A civic tribunal will be held in Tokyo, with the first hearing scheduled for
July 21.

The charges against Bush, according to the indictment, include aggression,
attacks against civilians and nonmilitary facilities and the torturing and
execution of prisoners.

They said the indictment will be handed to the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo next
week.

The tribunal is being organized by Tokyo Zokei University professor Akira
Maeda and others.

The Japan Times: July 1, 2003
(C) All rights reserved
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20030701b3.htm

-----------------------------
Politician Urges Bush War Crimes Trial Monday March ... Nations must try
President Bush and his allies as war criminals, a top Indonesian ...
elsewhere denounced the war in Iraq as illegal and ... Jakarta demanding
that Bush and British Prime Minister ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/.../0,1280,-2522593,00.html - 19 KB

International War Crimes Tribunal
WAR CRIMES A Report on United States War Crimes Against Iraq to the
Commission of Inquiry for the International War Crimes Tribunal by Ramsey
Clark and Others Incinerated body of ...
http://www.deoxy.org/wc/warcrime.htm - 3 KB

George W. Bush: Wanted for War Crimes
... George W. Bush: Wanted for War Crimes George W. Bush: Wanted for War
Crimes Wanted Poster Download ... Bush's Crimes Since George W. Bush came to
power, he has ... of nuclear weapons in war could end life on earth ...
Description: Details of demonstrations against Bush's visit to Brussels
(June, 2001). Plus information on how to order
http://www.motherearth.org/bushwanted/laws.php - 37 KB

United Press International: Bush: War crimes won't be excused
... Bush: War crimes won't be excused ... President George W. Bush on Friday
said ... regime to commit war crimes but warned that ... expect such war
crimes, but we will not excuse them. War criminals will ... judged
severely," Bush said. The president ...
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030328-114050-9535r - 8 KB

Poll: Support for Bush, War Grows (washingtonpost.com)
... Site Index Poll: Support for Bush, War Grows ... broad support for
beginning the war immediately after Bush's 48-hour deadline expires on ...
majority -- 71 percent -- agrees with Bush that war is the only way to
disarm Iraq ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/.../A44887-2003Mar18.html - 52 KB

Iraq, Bush, War in Iraq, Iraq War, Gulf War, Iraqi War, War, Political
humor, thought...
... Daring To Criticize Bush; Says: Bush's War Plan Has Failed Peter Arnett
... thirsty fanatics who support this war. The first Bush administration was
unhappy with ... speaking out publically against Bush and the war on Iraq.
"We are here as Jews ...
Description: Rightwing Slayer is smacking down the GOP! This is a very
partisan site!
more hits from:
http://www.rightwingslayer.blogspot.com/2003_03_01_rightwingslayer_archive.h
tml - 373 KB

Stop the Bush war machine!
... ongoing coverage and analysis Stop the Bush war machine! Voices against
the war ... London (October 11) Howard Zinn: What Bushs "war on terror" is
really about (September ... this war (December 7) Washingtons war crimes
(November 16) Lies, spies and dirty ...
more hits from: http://socialistworker.org/Featured/Antiwar.shtml - 29 KB

Film director Spielberg lines up with Bush war drive
... Spielberg lines up with Bush war drive By Joanne Laurier ... out in
support of the Bush administrations war drive against Iraq. The ... suspects
and preemptive war against any and all potential ... interests, adopted by
the Bush administration, is striking ...
Description: At a press conference in Rome September 26 US film director
Steven Spielberg, echoed by actor Tom Cruise, spoke out in support of the
Bush administration's war drive against Iraq.
more hits from: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/oct2002/spie-o03.shtml -
17 KB

Ambassador Edward Peck: Bush War Plan "Dumb"
... CounterPunch: Complete Coverage of 9/11 and the War on Afghanistan
October ... Mahajan and Jensen A War of Lies Patrick Cockburn ... Vijay
Prashad US War Aims Kevin Gray The ...
Description: America's Best Political Newsletter.
more hits from: http://www.counterpunch.org/peck1.html - 33 KB

Cafe au Lait Java News and Resources
... Independent) Newspaper still awaits Galloway libel writ over Iraq funds
claim (The Independent) Belgium to lift threat of Bush war crimes trial (The
Independent) Red Hat Plans Open Source Java, Prepares Linux Desktop
(www.computerwire.info) Maxtor touts ...
Description: Resources to help you develop your Java programming skills,
including daily news summaries, FAQ lists, tutorials, course notes,
examples, exercises, book reviews, and user group list.
http://sunsite.unc.edu/javafaq/ - 42 KB

MORE: BUSH+WAR CRIMES:
http://www.alltheweb.com/search?q=Bush%2Bwar+crimes&c=web&cs=iso-8859-1&o=10

======================

Attacks By Iraqis Growing Bolder
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070603A.shtml

How the Neo-Cons Operate
http://www.mediamonitors.net/zogby94.html

Iraqis Grapple With Fears Of Israeli Infiltration
http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2003-06/24/article08.shtml
Reports were rife in the Iraqi capital Baghdad that Israeli companies and
intelligence elements were being housed in the famous Baghdad Hotel which
was rented by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and some American
reconstruction firms


7 U.S.-Trained Police Cadets Are Killed In Iraq Explosion
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070603B.shtml

Robert Scheer: Blame Bush For California's Budget Woes
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070603C.shtml

Thousands Protest Bush on 4th
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070603D.shtml

Lawyers Furious as US Builds Death Chambers
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070603E.shtml

Risking Lives, Iraqis Eke Out Living From Military Junk
http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2003-07/02/article02.shtml
Driven jobless by the U.S.-led occupation authorities and the invasion,
hundreds of Iraqis are trying to make a living, even while risking their
lives, selling parts of the now junk Iraqi weapons arsenal which in the past
irritated several world countries.


Israel defies peace plan with land grab on West Bank
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,989903,00.html

Republican Enviros Blast Bush For Withholding Information
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070603F.shtml

Wives Clamor for Us Troops Return
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070603J.shtml

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=BFCM54HXIQY2KCRBAEZSFEY?
type=topNews&storyID=3040300
President Bush said on Friday the United States is still at war and vowed to
attack any "terrorist
group or outlaw regime" that threatens the United States with mass murder.


Trust Is Important
http://reese.king-online.com/Reese_20030704/index.php
Five and a half days after a U.S. strike against a convoy of vehicles on the
road near the Iraq-Syria border, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
and the secretary of defense claimed they had no details of the action.
That's not believable. ...


Depression and suicide attempts are reported from Guantanamo Bay

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,991847,00.html
Nearly 700 prisoners from 38 nations detained by the US forces after the war
in Afghanistan are held at Camp Delta at the US naval station in Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba.

In Iraq, funeral banners make a statement against U.S. forces
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/6220860.htm

Iraqi Army - US Playing With Soldiers
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0327/fahim.php
IRAQ-Last week's announcement that U.S. authorities would start paying a
monthly stipend (of $50 to $150) to as many as a quarter-million unemployed
Iraqi soldiers might ease the dangerous standoff between the defeated army
and the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA). The dispute reached its
height on June 18, when a spooked American MP shot and killed two former
Iraqi soldiers during a demonstration outside Baghdad's Republican Palace.
Israeli Military Chief Admits to 'Blunders' in Intifada Suppression
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=28408&d=5&m=7&y=2003


The Weird Men Behind George W. Bush's War
http://www.rense.com/general37/theweirdmenbehind.htm

Pentagon Seeking New Access Pacts for Africa Bases
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/05/international/africa/05BASE.html?ex=105837
2996&ei=1&en=7ecf00ad768b0212

Learn the truth about 911 and the new world order
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=41887

Centcom, ground commanders differ on cause of blast
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/185/nation/Centcom_ground_commanders_diffe
r_on_cause_of_blast%2B.shtml

Could Ashcroft Pass a Quiz on the Constitution?
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0328/hentoff.php

Only 2,000 captives are accounted for
http://tinyurl.com/g3cz
THE Red Cross yesterday accused Tony Blair and George Bush of breaching the
Geneva Convention over the shabby treatment of Iraqi prisoners of war. The
humanitarian organisation said the true number of PoWs and their whereabouts
was unknown, family visits have been denied and there was no system in place
to monitor arrests or pass on details to the Red Cross.

Hope For Future Fades In Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070603G.shtml

Bush Designates 6 Prisoners For Tribunals
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070603H.shtml

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/labour/story/0,9061,991961,00.html
Tony Blair is facing his biggest internal challenge since being elected
Labour leader nine years ago, with leftwing MPs and trade union "awkward
squad" leaders having privately agreed to produce an "alternative
manifesto". A confidential document obtained by the Guardian shows how the
prime minister's critics in and out of parliament have formed a coalition in
a concerted attempt to push the government left.

MIT Launches Watch on Us Government
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070603I.shtml

Far from just a few cases, we are currently seeing hundreds of women coming
forward to claim that they have been raped by British soldiers.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/kenya/story/0,12689,992066,00.html

Blair admits Labour's 'managerial' style leaves voters cold
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=421857

==============

http://www.theweeklyinformant.com/arishavit.htm
When Congressman James Moran (D-VA) told an audience that leaders of
American Jewish groups were pushing America into a war with Iraq, he was
denounced as an "anti-Semite" and pressured to resign. (click here)

When Syndicated columnist and former Presidential candidate Pat Buchanan
accused Jewish neo-conservatives and the US-Israeli lobby of pushing America
into a war against Israel's enemies, he was also widely denounced as an
"anti-Semite." (click here)

But what are we to make of the many outspoken Jewish writers, Jewish
intellectuals and Jewish activists who have been warning us about the exact
same thing? Should we dismiss these jews as "anti-Semites" or "self-hating
Jews"?

Following are some very revealing quotes from just a few of these Jewish
writers and journalists.

__________________________________________________________

Joe Klein, Time Magazine, Time.com, February 5, 2003

"A stronger Israel is very much embedded in the rationale for war with Iraq.
It is a part of the argument that dare not speak its name, a fantasy quietly
cherished by the neo-conservative faction in the Bush Administration and by
many leaders of the American Jewish community.

The fantasy involves a domino theory. The destruction of Saddam's Iraq will
not only remove an enemy of long-standing but will also change the basic
power equation in the region. It will send a message to Syria and Iran about
the perils of support for Islamic terrorists. It will send a message to the
Palestinians too: Democratize and make peace on Israeli terms, or forget
about a state of your own." (click here)
__________________________________________________________



Michael Kinsley, Slate Magazine, October 24, 2002

Tariq Aziz has a theory. Saddam Hussein's deputy told the New York Times
this week, "The reason for this warmongering policy toward Iraq is oil and
Israel." Although no one wishes to agree with Tariq Aziz, he has put
succinctly what many people in Washington apparently believe.

The lack of public discussion about the role of Israel in the thinking of
"President Bush" is easier to understand, but weird nevertheless. It is the
proverbial elephant in the room: Everybody sees it, no one mentions it. The
reason is obvious and admirable: Neither supporters nor opponents of a war
against Iraq wish to evoke the classic anti-Semitic image of the king's
Jewish advisers whispering poison into his ear and betraying the country to
foreign interests. (click here)

__________________________________________________________



Ari Shavit, April 5, 2003 Haaretz News Service (Israel)

"The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of
them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history.

In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town
(Washington): the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was
disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of
them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard
Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles
Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and
are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history."
(click here)

__________________________________________________________

James Rosen, April 6, 2003 The Sacramento Bee (California)

"In 1996, as Likud Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu prepared to take
office, eight Jewish neoconservative leaders sent him a six-page memo
outlining an aggressive vision of government. At the top of their list was
overthrowing Saddam and replacing him with a monarch under the control of
Jordan.

The neoconservatives sketched out a kind of domino theory in which the
governments of Syria and other Arab countries might later fall or be
replaced in the wake of Saddam's ouster. They urged Netanyahu to spurn the
Oslo peace accords and to stop making concessions to the Palestinians.

Lead writer of the memo was Perle. Other signatories were Feith, now
undersecretary of defense, and Wurmser, a senior adviser to John Bolton,
undersecretary of state.

Fred Donner, a professor of Near Eastern history at the University of
Chicago, said he was struck by the similarities between the ideas in the
memo and ideas now at the forefront of Bush's foreign policy." (click here)

__________________________________________________________

Thomas Friedman, April 4 2003 New York Time Columnist

I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment
within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a
desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.

It is not only the neo-conservatives who led us to the outskirts of Baghdad.
What led us to the outskirts of Baghdad is a very American combination of
anxiety and hubris."(click here)

__________________________________________________________



Dr. Henry Makow Phd., February 10, 2003 Writer, Inventor of Board game
"Scruples"

If the U.S. gets bogged down with heavy casualties on both sides, Americans
are going to blame big oil and Zionism for getting them into this mess.

Everybody knows that:

The only country that fears Iraq's WMD's is Israel;
American-Jewish neo-conservatives on the Defence Policy Board (Richard
Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) planned this war in 1998 and made it Bush
Administration policy;
The purpose of the war is to change the balance of power in the Middle East
so Israel can settle the Palestinian issue on its own terms; and
Congress trembles in fear before the Israeli Lobby, "AIPAC."
At this perilous juncture in US history, there is no effective opposition
because Zionist Jews appear to control both parties. The Jewish "Anti
Defamation League" considers it a barometer of anti Semitism to say, "Jews
have too much power." But is something anti- Semitic if it is true? Anti
Semitism is racial prejudice. Zionist power is not a racial prejudice; it is
a fact of life. When a special interest group hijacks American foreign
policy, it is a patriotic duty to say so.

In recent decades, Zionists have succeeded in making support for Zionism
synonymous with "Jewish." They have made Israel appear to be a vulnerable
country facing annihilation in a sea of bloodthirsty Arabs. In fact, Israel
has 200-400 nuclear bombs and is one of the most powerful nations on earth.
It has evaded many opportunities for a just peace because it's secret agenda
is to dominate the region. Israel keeps this quiet because most Jews,
including Israelis, did not sign on for that. (click here)

__________________________________________________________

Israel Shamir, Israeli Author

"The old adage has it that, when visiting a foreign country, to ascertain
who really runs things, one need determine only who is spoken about in
whispers, if at all." Judged by this measure, the Jews rule supreme. Indeed,
when I referred to 'Jewish media lords' during a UNESCO conference in the
summer of 2001, the audience's hearts missed a beat.
The yet-unfought War on Iraq changed this. The American Ultimatum date was
set on 17 March, the Jewish feast of Purim. Purim, 1991 saw destruction of
Iraqi armies and death of 200,000 Iraqis. Too many coincidences for a purely
American war."
"The powerful pro-Israel lobby in the United States, which advances Israeli
interests by pushing for U.S. aid and protection to Israel, and, currently,
by pressing for a war against Iraq, which again will serve Israeli
interests. This lobby has not only helped control media debate and made
congress into `Israeli occupied territory', it has seen to it that numerous
officials with 'dual loyalties' occupy strategic decision-making positions
in the Bush administration." (click here)
__________________________________________________________



Jack Bernstein, Author, The Life of An American Jew in Racist Israel
(following prediction was made in 1984!)

"The Zionists who rule Israel and the Zionists in America have been trying
to trick the U.S. into a Mideast war on the side of Israel. They almost
succeeded when U.S. Marines were sent to Lebanon in 1982. The blood of the
250 American Marines who died in Lebanon is dripping from the hands of the
Israeli and American Zionists.

If more Americans are not made aware of the truth about Zionist Israel, you
can be sure that, sooner or later, those atheists who claim to be God's
Chosen People will trick the U.S. into a Mideast war against the Arabs who
in the past have always been America's best friends. (CLICK HERE)





Pentagon crime evidence organized for the prosecution:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/

http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm
http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html
http://www.koolpages.com/killtown/flight77.html

http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/messenger.html
http://www.truthout.org
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero14/missile/temoins_en.htm

http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html

http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com
http://www.antiwar.com

http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/
http://www.911timeline.net/

http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm

==========

1. Call for all loyal opposition parties to form a temporary coalition
Union of National Parties Against Corruption representing the entire country
to defeat CFR Bi-Partisanship Crime Syndicate

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dick_eastman_populism/message/28




2. no political reform without prior liberating reform of the inner man
(complete in one lesson)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dick_eastman_populism/message/29
Everyman
2003-07-07 16:38:41 UTC
Permalink
Was Liberia chaos intensified intentionally to create a distraction
and "hero" opportunity for the Neo-con Administration?


The Selling of the Iraq War
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070703A.shtml

U.S. Envoy Says Bush 'Twisted' Iraq Intelligence
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070703B.shtml

US Death Toll in Iraq Rises Again
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070703C.shtml

Jack Newfield | American Rebels
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070703D.shtml

No Child Left Alone by Military Recruiters
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070703E.shtml

Bill Clinton | FCC Rule Cannot Be Allowed to Stand
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070703F.shtml

Iraq: The Human Toll
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070703G.shtml

Washington Blackmail Over International Criminal Court
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070703H.shtml

William Arkin | A New Nuclear Age
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070703I.shtml

Confess or Die, US Tells Jailed Britons
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070703J.shtml

=========

International Organized crime controlling White House and DoD was
responsible for 9-11. Here is evidence to convince any impartial
grand jury:

Killtown:
http://www.koolpages.com/killtown911/flight77/tail.html

Eric Bart:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart/index.html

Jean-Pierre DesMoulins
http://earth-citizens.net


Gerard Holmgren
http://hamilton.indymedia.org:8081/front.php3?article_id=1786&group=webcast
http://www.world-action.co.uk/conspiracy.html

Dick Eastman:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/messages

Eastman-APFN:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm


I also trust the work and dedication of these investigators (Not in
any order and grouped in threes merely for easy reading):

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war (Neils Groenveld et al.)
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/ (Ian Henshaw et al.)

http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/
http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm (Frank Levin)
http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html

http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html
http://www.911timeline.net/
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html

http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com

http://www.antiwar.com
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/

http://digipressetmp4.teaser.fr/site/dossier.php?dosnum=60
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htmhttp://www.
http://asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htm

http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/4578.php
http://hamilton.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1786&group=webcast
http://buffalo.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=3265
Everyman
2003-07-08 04:54:47 UTC
Permalink
Iraqi enslavement now complete! Neo-con Zionists impose
Autonomous Central Bank and debt-based new currency on a conquered
people.


You will not gain any idea of what bad news this is for the Iraqi
people from the following article of the New York Times, but it does
confirm that this will take place. One must ask -- if you take the
money supply out of the hands of the "politicians" -- whose hands
does it move to? ANser: Global finance, the debt merchants. And the
justification -- that Hussein caused "inflation" over the last 12
years is absurd!!! The high prices were due to the sanctions that our
politicians (owned by global finance) imposed on that totally innocent
and totally victimized country.

All the nations of the earth, read and weep -- this is your future
too.

Dick Eastman
Yakima

July 7, 2003
Iraq to Get New Currency and Autonomous Central Bank
By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/07/international/worldspecial/07CND-BAGH.html?ex=1058626142&ei=1&en=1be92f32770cce7f

BAGHDAD, Iraq, July 7 -- In a sweeping attempt at overhauling the
devastated postwar Iraqi economy, United States officials announced
today that they would replace the Iraqi currency later this year and
restructure the central bank to give it new autonomy.

The officials said the actions were intended to eliminate a
panic-ridden currency and remove the central bank from its
longstanding subservience to political leaders -- a role that spawned
crippling inflation during the past dozen years.

To many Iraqis, the most important action will be the exchange of the
existing currency that will allow them to swap out the 10,000-dinar
notes that most merchants have refused to honor at face value. Many
Iraqis receive their salaries in 10,000-dinar notes, and thus rely on
them to pay for food and other necessities, but merchants would not
accept them unless the customer was willing to exchange them for 7,000
dinars. A common Baghdad sight in recent weeks has been Iraqis waiting
in lines for hours in 115-degree heat for a chance to exchange their
pink 10,000-dinar notes for a thick stack of the blue 250-dinar notes
that merchants still readily accept.

But beginning Oct. 15, Iraqis will begin exchanging the notes, which
bear the image of their ousted but still uncaptured dictator, Saddam
Hussein, for new bills denominated between 50 dinars and 25,000
dinars.

American officials said that the decision to issue a new currency was
also driven by a political desire to remove Mr. Hussein's image from
Iraqi billfolds as well as to end the dual currency system that has
separated the Kurdish north from the rest of the country. The bill
swap should also curb concerns that the monetary system was being
undermined by rumors that followers of Mr. Hussein had stolen plates
and flooded the currency markets with counterfeit bills.

American officials also announced today that the budget for the rest
of 2003 would be about 9 trillion Iraqi dinars, or between $6 billion
and $7 billion. Slightly more than half of that amount, or $3.5
billion, will come from oil revenue, and the rest from sources
including amounts stolen by sons of Saddam Hussein and from frozen
Iraqi assets.

In a television address to the Iraqi people today, the top civilian
American official in Iraq, L. Paul Bremer III, said that 350 billion
dinars would be spent on security and justice, 440 billion dinars
would be spent on improving the nation's slipshod and heavily looted
electricity system, 315 billion dinars would be spent on public
health, and 225 billion dinars would be spent on improvements to the
phone system and other telecommunications infrastructure. The Iraqi
dinar is currently exchanged at about 1,400 for every United States
dollar.

Officials hope their actions will salve the bitter attitudes of many
Iraqis who are increasingly angry with Americans over the breakdown of
law and order as well as basic services like electricity and water.

The Iraqis' rising frustration has come amid continued violence
against American troops that suggests the United States might be
facing some level of organized resistance from remnants of Mr.
Hussein's regime.

In a 12-hour period Sunday and early Monday, an Iraqi gunned down a
soldier outside a cafeteria at Baghdad University, while insurgents
killed another soldier in one Baghdad neighborhood and fatally wounded
another soldier on patrol in Baghdad by launching an explosive device
at his vehicle.

In nearby Ramadi, four soldiers were injured overnight after coming
under attack from rocket-propelled grenades in an attack that left at
least one Iraqi dead and further inflamed local residents who have
turned the town into a nexus of anti-American sentiment.

The economic overhaul announced this evening comes just weeks before
the expected appointment of a new "governing council" of Iraqi leaders
that will serve as the first postwar interim government of Iraq -- a
timing that may bring fresh criticism that American occupying forces
are not doing enough to bring Iraqi officials into discussions to
determine the course of their country's government and economy.

American officials also said today that the appointment of a new
central bank chief, Faleh Salman, would mark the first time in a
generation that the bank was independent of its political leaders. But
it appeared that American officials might retain veto power over
monetary policy and other decisions.

For example, at a briefing this evening in Baghdad, senior officials
with the United States-led Coalition Provisional Authority, which is
overseeing all nonmilitary operations in Iraq, would not answer
questions about whether Mr. Bremer, the authority's top official,
would still be able to countermand central bank decisions.

Coalition officials, however, emphasized that they had had extensive
consultations with the leaders of the two large Kurdish factions in
northern Iraq, Massoud Barzani and Jalal Talabani, that included
details over the exchange rate for which Kurds would be able to
exchange their old currency for the new currency. Their exchange rate,
the officials said, would be one "Swiss dinar" -- the currency used in
northern Iraq -- for every 150 new dinars. In the rest of the country,
the exchange will be conducted on a
one-for-one basis.

Coalition officials said the sharply differing exchange rates do not
mean the Kurds will receive a more favorable rate of exchange.
Instead, they said, the rate reflects the much greater value of the
Swiss dinar, which has not been ravaged by the inflation that has
devalued the "Saddam dinar" used in the rest of the country.

United States officials also emphasized that the restructuring of the
central bank's relationship to the rest of the government would
protect it from pressures to bend to the will of political leaders.
Under Saddam Hussein, Finance Ministry officials forced the bank
essentially to print money -- a politically expedient measure that
brought the country soaring inflation.

Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company
oldickeastman
2003-07-15 18:50:33 UTC
Permalink
Letters From Donny: Letters From A Young Soldier In Iraq -- with
commentary by his father

===========

Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright often said that ordinary
people can't understand foreign policy, as have Kissinger, Wolfowitz,
and Brzezinski.

I say to hell with that noise!!! -- Now is the time to listen to
these two real men of honor, dignity, wisdom and virtue -- Donny (a
US soldier in Iraq) and his father -- WHO SPEAK THE REAL AMERICAN
FOREIGN POLICY OF THE REAL AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ABOUT
TO TAKE THEIR OWN COUNTRY BACK AND RETURN THE OTHER COUNTRIES THAT
DON'T BELONG TO THEM AND WHICH WERE STOLEN BY ZIONIST ORGANIZED CRIME
USING OUR NATIONAL DEFENSE POWER. --Dick Eastman

===================

Letter From A Young Soldier In Iraq
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PutAnEndToWar/message/4132



Fri, Jul 11, 2003, 9:38 AM

Letter from a young soldier

...from a Nashville Tennessee newspaper -- bottom of the page

http://webx.tennessean.com/webx/cgi-bin/WebX?***@24.NaVVaJXhniB^***@.ee6ea9c/88

From a soldier's father:

"My son is in the U.S.Army and currently stationed in Baghdad. I hear
from him every three or four days. He is like most of the young men
and women who went to fight over there inasmuch as he was proud to go
and achieve what President Bush said was necessary. I have seen his
attitude take a U-turn during the last month. At first he was saying:
"I wonder why we are not doing this or that to help make life better
for our soldiers?" Then he started to wonder why we were not doing
more to help the Iraqi people who are suffering under terrible
conditions. Not enough water or food, no electricity most of the
time, a terrible shortage of medical supplies and medical staff,
basically they are living like animals. Then he started to worry
about the safety of our troops in the area. He says they are sitting
ducks and easy targets for Iraqi people bent upon gaining revenge for
slain family members and by those who hold the U.S. responsible for
the terrible conditions they find themselves in. Ye sterday he had a
different message altogether."

"Get us out of here now! There is nothing we can do to pacify the
Iraqi people except get out of their country and allow them to
restore order in whatever way THEY wish."

And, allow me to give you his remarks when he was informed of
President Bush's brash remarks saying "Bring them on." He said:

"Myself and every last man in my unit are deeply offended that our
President would make such a statement inviting us to be attacked.
President Bush has lost the respect of every soldier I have spoken to
because of his speaking those irresponsible words. Those words spread
like wild-fire amoung the troops. We are here because he ordered us
to be here and now for him to make such a ridiculous statement
inviting violence towards us causes us to lose respect for him and
his judgement. We are learning that we never should have come here in
the first place. Believe me Dad, there is a completely different
attitude now. The fact that the President gave rich people a tax cut
and didn't do anything for military families is hurtful. Where there
was once pride and satisfaction in defeating an enemy there is now
regret and shame. God Bless America.

Your loving Son, Donny
oldickeastman
2003-07-17 14:33:27 UTC
Permalink
Fred,

You can't stop Zionist internet agents from spreading their racist
violence doctrines by telling them to "seek help." Wolfowitz, Perle,
Kissinger, Rumsfeld
and the billionaires and trillionaires who hold them on retainer are
not going to seek help because sane Fred Garvin recommends it to them.

They did 9-11 to get the wars they wanted and to get your gentile sons
and daughters to do the killing and dying for them. They control this
country psychologically and their shills on the internet are part of
the coverup and selling program.

You can't tell them to "seek help" and expect it to do any good. You
must work for the awakening of the good quiet people to rise up and
pull these murdering lyers down on obstruction of justice charges.

Meanwhile, here is something to clear your head of Zionist smoke:

--------------------

Articles:


TOO LITTLE TOO LATE

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB105821991056891800,00.html
An unusual manifesto is circulating through the e-mail boxes of
prominent Washingtonians from an ad hoc group calling itself the
"Committee for the Republic." Its five sponsors include conservative
C. Boyden Gray, a White House lawyer in the first Bush administration;
Chas. W. Freeman, a former ambassador to Saudi Arabia; and Stephen
Cohen, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.


===========

Senate Republicans on Wednesday defeated calls by Democrats for an
independent commission to examine intelligence President Bush used to
justify the Iraq invasion, and to force him to disclose costs and
plans to stabilize postwar Iraq.

http://tinyurl.com/h7a1

==============

Who's Who on the 9/11 "Independent" Commission
by Michel Chossudovsky
GO HERE FOR FULL STORY AND LINKS:
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO307B.html


(Cont'd) Lee H. Hamilton Vice Chair
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO307B.html

"Representation" on the Commission:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO307B.html

===================

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,465137,00.html
Inside the Bush Administration's feud with the diplomat who poured
cold water on the Iraq-uranium connection. ... Former Ambassador
Joseph C. Wilson raised the Administration's ire with an op-ed piece
in The New York Times on July 6 charging that the Administration had
"twisted" intelligence to "exaggerate" the Iraqi threat.

================


Climate of Fear: Sexual Violence and Abduction of Women and Girls in
Baghdad," Full Report available:
In HTML format
http://hrw.org/reports/2003/iraq0703/

==============

Rumsfeld Operated His Own Spy Ring
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=42254;title=APFN

==============

http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html
How will President George W. Bush personally make millions (if not
billions) from the War on Terror and Iraq? The old fashioned way.
He'll inherit it.
Meet The Carlyle Group
Former World Leaders and Washington Insiders Making Billions in the
War on Terrorism ....
It is hard to imagine an address closer to the heart of American
power. The offices of the Carlyle Group are on Pennsylvania Avenue in
Washington DC, midway between the White House and the Capitol
building, and within a stone's throw of the headquarters of the FBI
and numerous government departments. The address reflects Carlyle's
position at the very center of the Washington establishment, but amid
the frenetic politicking that has occupied the higher reaches of that
world in recent weeks, few have paid it much attention. Elsewhere, few
have even heard of it...

But since the start of the "war on terrorism", the firm - unofficially
valued at $13.5bn - has taken on an added significance. Carlyle has
become the thread which indirectly links American military policy in
Afghanistan to the personal financial fortunes of its celebrity
employees, not least the current president's father. And, until
earlier this month, Carlyle provided another curious link to the
Afghan crisis: among the firm's multi-million-dollar investors were
members of the family of Osama bin Laden More...

==================

Iraq: Insecurity Driving Women Indoors
http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/iraq071603.htm
The insecurity plaguing Baghdad and other Iraqi cities has a distinct
and debilitating impact on the daily lives of women and girls,
preventing them from participating in public life at a crucial time in
their country's history, Human Rights Watch said in a report released
today.

==================

Challenge: Anyone who is willing to argue the evidence against my
claim of solid incontrovertable proof that the attack on the Pentagon
was an inside-job black-op mass-murder frameup by "neo-conservative"
zionist operatives in the Defense Department -- I will debate you in
a special thread on these newsgroups -- I only ask that you be willing
to share your evidence and argue the merits of your case yourself from
the evidence. Right now exactly no one is making any new counter
arguments to replace the once refuted by the "small-killer-jet"
evidence. -- Dick Eastman

review the evidence for the small-killer jet here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/messages

and here:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm

===================

DO YOU REMEMBER THIS: "THEY HATE US BECAUSE OF OUR FREEDOMS" ?

911 : nearly two years and two wars later ...............
by "Ethic"
( sorry for my poor English language )
It was to be ** The largest criminal investigation in the history of
the nation **

On September 11, 2001, when most were too numb to contemplate much of
anything, Newsweek told us what
to expect.
"As a small army of fire fighters struggled to put out the flames at
the World Trade Center in New York and at the Pentagonin Washington,"
Peg Tyre wrote : "federal law enforcement
agencies had already begun marshaling agents, readying them for what
promises to be the largest criminal investigation in the history of
the nation."
[ http://www.msnbc.com/news/627334.asp?0sp=w12b7&cp1=1 ]

Nearly two years (and two wars) later, however, this huge
investigation hasn't panned out. Attempts to uncover intelligence
failures have been routinely thwarted; Halliburton has accomplished
more in Afghanistan
http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=2471 ]

and Iraq [ http://money.cnn.com/2003/04/11/news/companies/war_halliburton
] than Bush's " DEAD or ALIVE " doctrine; and sadly, the CIA's
"spectacular attack" pertains not only to the trauma of 9/11, but to
subsequent assaults on Americans' faith and trust.

Regardless how anyone frames it, the White House duped us. From "THEY
HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS" to "SOLID
EVIDENCE" of Al-Qaeda/Iraq connections, the Administration skirted
some issues and manipulated information on others.

In short, Bush Inc. lied and pressured others to do the same. The
game plan succeeded, however, as polls repeatedly indicated that more
than half of all U.S. citizens were consistently conned
into believing Iraq was an immediate threat and that Saddam was
involved in the Sept. 11 attacks.
More :
http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/03/07/01.html
The Attack Has Been Spectacular by Maureen Farrell Maureen Farrell is
a writer and media consultant who specializes in helping other writers
get television and radio exposure.
© Copyright 2003, Maureen Farrell

FAIR USE NOTICE : This post contains copyrighted material the use
of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright
owner. I am making such material available in an effort to advance
understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic,
democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. I believe this
constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided
for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107
______________________________________________________

Nearly two years and two wars later, the Bush Gang is promoting
its reconstruction efforts, what means getting business oppotunities
to the Bush Gang' friends such as : Unocal; CentGas; Betchel and
Donald Rumsfield; Halliburton, George Schulz and Dick Cheney;
Chevron and Condoleeza Rice; pharmaceutical companies and
Ayatollah John Ashcroft; Boots & Coots; KBR; DynCorp;
Carlyle Group; Georges Bush Senior and the G. W. Bush' Gang
who both get great returns ( % ) from every market
(even % over armaments ! ) Isn't it great ?

* Ethic *

( sorry for my poor English language )
=======================



It was President Bush, that paragon of accountability, who first
pointed the finger at the director of central intelligence (DCI) and
complained, in effect: "He made me say it." It was left to the
national security advisor, Condoleezza Rice, to put in the stiletto
and twist it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999258,00.html

===============

Muslim, Zionist: Is There a Federal Double Standard?
http://www.arabia.com/newsfeed/article/english/0,14183,407055,00.html

==============

Waxman Letter: 'Punish Those Who Misled'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703A.shtml

Cheney Under Pressure to Quit Over False War Evidence
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703B.shtml

Iraq Pressure on Bush Mounts as U.S. Soldier Killed
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703C.shtml

Tour of Duty or Deplorable Deployment?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703D.shtml

Bush Faced Dwindling Data on Iraq Nuclear Bid
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703E.shtml

Showdown Nears Over Terrorism Detentions
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703F.shtml

Three Essential Errors Committed in Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703G.shtml

CIA: Assessment of Syria's WMD Exaggerated
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703H.shtml

Grassroots Uprising Fights to Protect Rights and Freedoms
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703I.shtml

====================

Wolfowitz committee instructed White House to use Iraq/uranium
reference in State of the Union speech --by Jason Leopold "A Pentagon
committee led by Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense,
advised George W. Bush to include a reference in his January State of
the Union address about Iraq trying to purchase 500 tons of uranium
from Niger to bolster the case for war in Iraq, despite the fact that
the CIA warned Wolfowitz's committee that the information was
unreliable, according to a CIA intelligence official and four members
of the Senate's intelligence committee who have been investigating the
issue."

--------------------------
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html
According to former Bush officials, all defence and intelligence
sources, senior administration figures created a shadow agency of
Pentagon analysts staffed mainly by ideological amateurs to compete
with the CIA and its military counterpart, the Defence Intelligence
Agency.

The agency, called the Office of Special Plans (OSP), was set up by
the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, to second-guess CIA
information and operated under the patronage of hardline conservatives
in the top rungs of the administration, the Pentagon and at the White
House, including Vice-President Dick Cheney.

The ideologically driven network functioned like a shadow government,
much of it off the official payroll and beyond congressional
oversight. But it proved powerful enough to prevail in a struggle with
the State Department and the CIA by establishing a justification for
war.

Mr Tenet has officially taken responsibility for the president's
unsubstantiated claim in January that Saddam Hussein's regime had been
trying to buy uranium in Africa, but he also said his agency was under
pressure to justify a war that the administration had already decided
on.

==================

NEO-CONS HAVE DONE US A FAVOR... AND DON'T EVEN KNOW IT
Well, let me put it this way. Those deceiving, nation-wrecking
sonsabitches didn't mean to do us any favors, but it turned out that
way. And there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.
http://www.etherzone.com/2003/moor071703.shtml


====================

Peaceful Warrior

Chris Strohm is a freelance reporter and volunteer with the DC
Independent Media Center. Ingrid Drake is a correspondent for Pacifica
Radio's Peacewatch program.
http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8341

As the U.S. occupation of Iraq extends with no end in sight, and the
death toll for both U.S. soldiers and Iraqi civilians continues to
mount, more voices of dissent from military personnel and families are
surfacing every day.

One of the most poignant so far comes from a young Marine who gave an
interview with Pacifica Radio's Peacewatch program the night before he
was deployed to Iraq. He discussed his strong commitment to peace, and
said the Bush administration was violating constitutional principles
and misleading the country into an unjust war.

He was killed in late June, fighting a war he didn't believe in.

Because the interview was given under the condition of anonymity, and
out of respect for the current wishes of his family, the Marine will
be identified in this story only as John (not his real name). John's
friends describe him as a passionate, intense person with an
insatiable appetite for knowledge and a commitment to peace. He
studied philosophy and peace with an emphasis on Middle Eastern
affairs, particularly Iraq and Israel.

His friends say he went into the military under the Clinton
administration to gain credibility, so that perhaps someday his
beliefs on how to build a lasting peace in the Middle East would be
taken seriously. In the months before his deployment, he helped
organize anti-war campaigns, mainly working behind the scenes.

In his interview with Pacifica, John expressed outrage that a
legitimate public debate on the war had not occurred. Many
alternatives to combat were available, he explained, such as using
money being spent for war to finance a grassroots Iraqi democracy
movement that would rival the Baath regime, or promoting democracy
throughout the Middle East to show people alternative forms of
government.

"It is almost unimaginable to expect that this war is going to create
a better peace for anybody with the exception of a very small
percentage of people," he said.

He accused the administration of not talking honestly with the
American public about potential consequences of a U.S. war on Iraq,
such as the potential for urban combat, the psyche of the Iraqi
people, the impact on the United Nations and the fate of the Middle
East.

"This could have repercussions in terms of the war on terrorism," he
said. "It could have repercussions on international diplomacy. It
could have repercussions on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. It could
have repercussions in terms of our ability to get anything else done
in the United Nations. And even if... everything goes the way it's
supposed to go, what does that mean for the world order? It says that
we basically can do whatever we want to do whenever we want to do it
because we are the world's sole superpower."

But even as he expressed doubts about the Bush administration's
decision, he spoke eloquently about his patriotism, and looked to the
highest ideals of the country for inspiration:

"I believe in the United States. I believe in the Constitution. I
think it's perhaps one of the greatest documents ever written. I
believe in the idea that we the people are sovereign and we determine
our own destiny. We have a democracy and the Bill of Rights and
freedom of expression, freedom of speech, freedom of religion and due
process. Until the world is such a place that we can really live
without the military, individual Americans have to step up and they
have to serve."

The Bush administration, he claimed, had not made a credible case for
war with Iraq, and was violating constitutional principles by sending
troops into combat. He spoke of the Declaration of Independence, and
how its writers vowed to be free of England, where their lives were
ruled and determined by one man. "The constant rhetoric of the
administration is that there's going to be one person who decides when
we go to war," he said, "and that is such a blatant violation of every
constitutional principle that our founding fathers came up with."

"But even beyond that, it's 'we the people' that this nation is
about," he continued. "It isn't about politics or personal agendas or
political agendas or economic agendas. And I believe that this war is
not the right thing for America because it hasn't yet been proven
conclusively that there is a threat to 'we the people' -- and I think
that is the sole determining factor as to whether or not this nation
should ever go to war."

With chilling foresight, John predicted that much could go wrong in a
war with Iraq, saying the outcomes outlined by the administration were
based on highly optimistic and rosy scenarios. He said it was unlikely
that Iraqis would cheer the arrival of a U.S. occupying force, and
that long-term urban combat could be a likely outcome.

Yet he went to Iraq, believing it to be his duty. And continued, even
in the midst of combat, to exercise his belief in nonviolent
resolution. One of his commanders wrote a letter after his death
explaining a situation in which John negotiated a peaceful settlement
to a potentially deadly situation. A group of Baath Party officials
were found inside a house. Because he spoke Arabic, John entered the
house and talked with the officials until he
negotiated a surrender. His actions potentially saved the lives of
both U.S.
soldiers and Iraqis.

In letters home, John described the peace movement as "awesome," and
said he hoped it would grow larger, never relent against the Bush
administration, and help bring an end to the war.

Around June 20, those letters stopped.

As of July 14, 32 American soldiers have died from hostile action
since Bush declared an end to major combat operations in Iraq on May
1, according to the Pentagon. Forty-three other service members have
died in incidents unrelated to hostilities.

Nancy Lessin, co-founder of Military Families Speak Out, says more
people are becoming outraged now that the war against Iraq has turned
into a highly risky occupation.

"Too many U.S. military personnel and way too many innocent Iraqis
have been killed," she says. "And what we predicted to be true has
come true, that there are no weapons of mass destruction. Everything
we said was going to happen is coming to pass, and one of the most
frightening aspects of this is that the people of this country haven't
completely risen up in opposition to what's going on."

Her words are echoed, and answered, by John's. Before he was deployed,
John wrote a final letter as part of his will.

"That I have died means I have failed to achieve the one thing in life
I truly longed to give the world -- peace," the letter reads. "The
plight of human suffering consumed me and I dedicated much to trying
to find the ideas that might lead humankind toward alleviating it for
all. It was a quest which was inextricably intertwined with my quest
for freedom. If you know anything about me you know that. Understand
it and come to understand how the suffering of others tormented my
soul. Then seek to honor my memory by trying to achieve what I could
not."

Andrew Korfhage provided additional reporting for this article.

=================

OPINION POLLSTER WHO SAID BUSH HAD 80 PERCETN APPROVAL A FEW MONTHS
BACK, NOW SAYS MAJORITY OF IRAQIS WANT US TROOPS TO STAY -- WHAT
THIS MEANS OF COURSE IS THAT WOLFOWITZ-PERLE-RUMSFELD-KISSINGER ARE
NOW SHIFTING BLAME FOR THE DEADLY AND CRIMINAL OCCUPATION TO "THE WILL
OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE" -- DO YOU SUPPOSE ARMED SOLDIERS WENT HOUSE
TO HOUSE PROTECTING THE POLLSTERS AS THEY DID THEIR WORK?

=====================

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0717/p01s02-woeu.html

WASHINGTON AND LONDON - British Prime Minister Tony Blair speaks to a
joint
session of Congress Thursday as he receives the Congressional Gold
Medal - a
double honor last bestowed on Winston Churchill.

======================


http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0717/p01s02-woeu.html

WASHINGTON AND LONDON - British Prime Minister Tony Blair speaks to a
joint
session of Congress Thursday as he receives the Congressional Gold
Medal - a
double honor last bestowed on Winston Churchill.

============

CALCUTTA Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee's refusal to send
peacekeeping troops to Iraq should warn President George W. Bush of
the problems that American unilateralism can create for traditionally
non-aligned Asian nations. ..........Vajpayee cannot forget that a
coalition of nationalist, left and Muslim groups, led by the Congress
party, hounded former Prime Minister Chandra Shekhar out of office for
allowing U.S. warplanes to land and refuel at Indian airports during
the first Gulf war.
http://www.iht.com/articles/102968.html

=================

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3284-748050,00.html
It is a prospect to make any sensible person weep: Washington later
today, Tokyo tomorrow evening, Seoul and Beijing on Sunday, Shanghai
and Hong Kong on Tuesday, London on Thursday. Seven cities in eight
days sounds like the itinerary of a deranged tourist, or a CEO who
cannot wait to make use of his new executive jet, but it is actually
the Prime Minister's schedule for the coming week.

=================

The U.S. military's new commander in Iraq acknowledged for the first
time yesterday that American troops are engaged in a "classical
guerrilla-type" war against remnants of former Iraqi president Saddam
Hussein's Baath Party and said Baathist attacks are growing in
organization and sophistication.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2830-2003Jul16.html?nav=hptop_tb


===================

Blair waters down claim linking Iraq to Niger uranium
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=425057

======================

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=425053
£131,000 a year - more than any cabinet minister - the Government said
last night -- The bill for ministers' special advisers and spin
doctors has trebled since Labour came to power and now costs the
taxpayer £5.4m a year. The soaring bill has angered MPs who have
questioned the need for so many special advisers, particularly in
Downing Street, where there are 26.

=======================

UK Cost Of Occupation: £5m A Day - Human Life Cost Extra


http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999719,00.html

========================







George W. Bush once again showed himself to be
unfit to be President of the United States when
answering questions with the United Nations Secretary
General Kofi Annan at a photo opportunity at the
Oval Office on Monday, July 14.?

In reply to a question related to the now discredited
claim that Iraq tried to buy Uranium yellowcake from
Niger, George W. sidetracked with a startling, new
explanation of why Saddam Hussein was removed
from power.

He said, "And we gave him [Saddam Hussein ] a chance
to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in.
And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided
to remove him from power, along with other nations, so
as to make sure he was not a threat to the United States
and our friends and allies in the region."

The statement is posted at the official White House web site -
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030714-3.html

This is such an extraordinary perversion of the truth, I am
left flabbergasted, and hardly able to think through what it
actually means that the most powerful nation in the world
is led by a man who so totally twists the facts. For starters,
perhaps George W. Bush was not telling a lie so much
as once again demonstrating an inability to distinguish fact
from fiction, even with regard to actions that he commands.

As I remember it the UN inspectors were in Iraq and the
Iraqi government was providing them with unfettered access
to facilities, even allowing them to dismantle Iraqi missiles,
when they were instructed by the UN Secretary-General
to leave Iraq, just prior to the US-UK invasion.

Here is the full text of the White House reported question and
answer exchange, which ended with the faux pas that must have
made Kofi Annan, for one, wince, without daring to correct
(So what does that say about Kofi Annan? Was boy George
unconsciously daring him to put him right?):

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, Dana, one last question.

Q Mr. President, back on the question of Iraq, and that
specific line that has been in question --

THE PRESIDENT: Can you cite the line? (Laughter.)

Q I could, if you gave me some time.

THE PRESIDENT: When I gave the speech, the line was
relevant.

Q So even though there has been some question about
the intelligence -- the intelligence community knowing
beforehand that perhaps it wasn't, you still believe that
when you gave it --

THE PRESIDENT: Well, the speech that I gave was
cleared by the CIA. And, look, the thing that's important
to realize is that we're constantly gathering data. Subsequent
to the speech, the CIA had some doubts. But when I gave
the -- when they talked about the speech and when they
looked at the speech, it was cleared. Otherwise, I wouldn't
have put it in the speech. I'm not interested in talking about
intelligence unless it's cleared by the CIA. And as Director
Tenet said, it was cleared by the CIA.

The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did
Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the
answer is, absolutely. And we gave him a chance to allow
the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And,
therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to
remove him from power, along with other nations, so as
to make sure he was not a threat to the United States
and our friends and allies in the region. I firmly believe
the decisions we made will make America more secure
and the world more peaceful.
oldickeastman
2003-07-17 15:36:46 UTC
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My invitation to ADL to argue against this resolution: "Zionists Did
9-11" in fair and dignified debate. Dick Eastman
-----------------------

Dear Members of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith,

Resolved: "Zionists Did 9-11"

Who is willing to argue the evidence against this claim that the
attack on the Pentagon was an inside-job black-op mass-murder frameup
by "neo-conservative" zionist operatives in the Defense Department?
I am speaking of course of Paul
Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Donald Rumsfeld, Henry Kissinger and
half-a-dozen others.

Do you disagree? Will you provide an informed person to argue your
case?

I will debate any bona fide ADL representative(s) in a special
thread
on any newsgroup or yahoogroup forum chosen by my opponent(s) -- I
only ask that
you be willing to share your counter evidence and argue the merits of
your
case yourself in an honest exchange using established evidence and
clearly explained logic as I also will try to do.

Right now exactly no one is making any new counter arguments to
replace the all previous arguments refuted by the "small-killer-jet"
evidence.

If this claim is really "defamation" (presumably this term includes
the notion of "false statements") of Zionism, then show us on the
internet!

Respectfully yours,

Dick Eastman
Yakima

Review my evidence for the small-killer jet here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/messages

and here:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm

=============

Related:


Who's Who on the 9/11 "Independent" Commission
by Michel Chossudovsky

"Representation" on the Commission:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO307B.html
Ralph Nesbitt
2003-07-17 17:22:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by oldickeastman
My invitation to ADL to argue against this resolution: "Zionists Did
9-11" in fair and dignified debate. Dick Eastman
-----------------------
Dear Members of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith,
Resolved: "Zionists Did 9-11"
Who is willing to argue the evidence against this claim that the
attack on the Pentagon was an inside-job black-op mass-murder frameup
by "neo-conservative" zionist operatives in the Defense Department?
I am speaking of course of Paul
Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Donald Rumsfeld, Henry Kissinger and
half-a-dozen others.
Do you disagree? Will you provide an informed person to argue your
case?
I will debate any bona fide ADL representative(s) in a special
thread
on any newsgroup or yahoogroup forum chosen by my opponent(s) -- I
only ask that
you be willing to share your counter evidence and argue the merits of
your
case yourself in an honest exchange using established evidence and
clearly explained logic as I also will try to do.
Right now exactly no one is making any new counter arguments to
replace the all previous arguments refuted by the "small-killer-jet"
evidence.
If this claim is really "defamation" (presumably this term includes
the notion of "false statements") of Zionism, then show us on the
internet!
Respectfully yours,
Dick Eastman
Yakima
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message
s
Post by oldickeastman
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm
=============
Who's Who on the 9/11 "Independent" Commission
by Michel Chossudovsky
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO307B.html
1 look at the above sites, much less your posting history, would convince
anyone with any sense at all you are a kook/loon/nut case/crazy "Lunatic" of
the first order attempting to stir trouble.

Hopefully the "Security Section" of ADL will check up on you/your activities
as a "Potential Threat" to society, Jewish Society, in particular.
Ralph Nesbitt Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Hit1Hard
2003-07-17 21:52:08 UTC
Permalink
This is 1938 Berlin
2003-07-17 18:11:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Hopefully the "Security Section" of ADL will check up on you/your
activities as a "Potential Threat" to society, Jewish Society, in
particular. Ralph Nesbitt Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
If any of them fuck with me, I'll skewer the motherfuckers.
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that it
made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
oldickeastman
2003-07-18 03:56:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by This is 1938 Berlin
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Hopefully the "Security Section" of ADL will check up on you/your
activities as a "Potential Threat" to society, Jewish Society, in
particular. Ralph Nesbitt Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
If any of them fuck with me, I'll skewer the motherfuckers.
Things are getting tense in the good ol' USA.

Zionists are the masters of murder and deceit.

I don't give myself more than a month.

And so I have written this -- your my countrymen for men of good will
everywhere:

========


From: Dick Eastman
To: Quigs_Fight ; ***@yahoogroups.com ; apfn-***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: my secrets are out, except this one (rather important)



my secrets are out, except this one (rather important)

Whenever I go away fear that I may never write another word. And so
I try to say everything that I think needs saying. The recent death
of Brian Quig sets me thinking about leaving an index of my
discoveries and theories, a list of my proposals for reforming the
country to restore her highest principles of government -- and
finally, below all that, to share the great book idea that I may
never get around to writing.

Dick Eastman:

Discoveries and Theories:

1. clandestine weather modification

2. the role of Bernard Baruche in the twentieth century

3. the monetary theory of globalization plunder of nations

4. the F-16 attack on the Pentagon

5. the real greatness and goodness of John C. Calhoun, William
Jennings Bryan, Huey Long, Father Coughlin, CHarles Lindberg, Robert
Taft, Joe McCarthy

6. the masterplan of Zhou Enlai for the overthrow of the US by
indirect cultural warfare means

7. and my own confirmation of the two essential conspiracy theories of
my day

a. the Federal Reserve system, income tax, direct
election of US Senators as deliberate preparation for
the economic exploitation of pre-planed world war one

b. the arch evil of Zionism

8. The Reforms necessary to restore the nation:

1) return to state legislatures selecting Senators;

2) return and perfection of electors selection presidents --
electors chosen in purely local elections of best persons without
party or prior commitment to a choice -- they then chose a President
by any method of interviews and sifting and they collectively choose
-- the top two choices becoming president and vice president

3) strict use of anti-trust to break up zionist organized crime
monopoly of the media;

4) the breakup of the Congress -- useing the Capitol for ceremonies
only -- having representatives and senators permanently located in
their own states -- all committee work and interviewing being done at
locations specified at the time of the creation of the committee

5) the re-uniting of "ways and means" with the passage of each bill
-- so that each bill will have its costs and benefits clearly defined

6) the elimination of omnibus bills --paring down the role of the
Federal Government (re-establishing state power from the mere
subservient corporation dividions they are today under the federal
dictatorship

7) Huey Long -like wealth tax -- re-distributing all wealth so that
no man's fortune exceeds 200 million dollars

8) the breakup of corporations -- requiring that all businesses be
conducted as single proprietorships or full-liability partnerships --
corporation bigness is not required to achieve "economies of scale"
-- in fact nothing is more like soviet planned economy ineptitude than
corporations, holding companies etc. Henry Ford and Bill gates did OK
by America -- J.P. Morgan and the corporations with Frank Carlucchi
on their Boards do not.

9) the forbidding of the export of investment capital --
international trade should be of consumption goods (products) ,
capital goods (machines, tools), raw materials, education and tourism
-- NOT INVESTMENT IN OTHER COUNTRIES -- NOT INTERNATIONAL LOANS --

10) the IMF, World Bank and other creatures of international banking
masquerading as humanitarian aid must be eliminated immediately

11) international treaties such as NAFTA must be eliminated
immediately

12) NATO should be eliminated immediately and all military and
policial treaties between nations should be eliminated

13) no individual on earth should be permitted to own findustrial
capital outside his own country

14) banking should be returned totally to the seperate states to
regulate as they wish

15) the Federal Reserve private monopoly on the creation of money
should be eliminated

16) the Treasury should take over the money supply and the production
of dollars

17. the open market purchase and sale of government securities should
be eliminated as the means of regulating the money supply and interest
rates

18) the US should issue its dollar and its eagle, one backed by
silver the other by gold, allowing each to float freely against each
other

19) International merchant banking should be outlawed --
international banking merely limited to the facilitation of
international sales transactions of goods (see above) and not finance
capitalist investment

blah blah blah you have all heard all this from me a hundred times

but here is something that I hope will effect every reader's thinking
about US politics over the last 100 years
----

Finally, in rushed form, an important piece of history that
illuminates our miserable times, and involves some of the same evil
forces.

Anyway, I have one more discovery to set out now -- in case I am not
here on Monday

My Secrets are Out, Except This One
by Dick Eastman

TR Roosevelt, Assassination, Bully Little Wars, "Remember the Main,"
Imperialism and Masked Slavery

The Rothschild Agent in charge of managing US politics (as J.P. Morgan
was in chage of managing US finance) was Mark Hanna.

Representing the international IOU-holding class (bond market) Hanna
and Morgan (with Rockefeller and other Robber Baron Money Lords)
sought a policy of DEFLATION --

since loanable funds, which they monopolized, have a price (called the
interest rate) which is determined by supply and demand. The Goal of
Morgan and Hanna in 1896 as in other elections was to uphold a pure
Gold Standard for the American money system, so that money (loanable
funds) would be scarcer and the profits in lending greater. (The
Civil War had made the Rockefellers, Harrimans etc. extremely wealthy
and therefore politically corrupting nationally.

McKinnley was chosen by Mark Hanna to be the President because he
favored the Gold Standard. J.P. Morgan had destroyed Grover Cleveland
with an economic depression that brought (small town) bank failures,
unemployment, hunger, crippling labor strikes -- the big newspapers
owned by the Money Lords ensuring that the Democrats would be blamed
because they were "the party in power."

McKinnley and Hobart ( Garret Hobart was director in 60 large
corporations and general counsel for many of them -- once when their
opponent, William Jennings Bryan came to a town and began making a
speech in a large hall -- the lights suddenly went out, forcing
Bryan to make his speech in total darkness -- Hobat was President of
the electric company servicing that region) -- the Rebublicans were
elected offering the single remedy for all ills: "sound money," i.e.,
the gold standard, ie., tight money supply -- deflation for the IOU
holders.

But then, as investment bankers always do when they have their
monetary system ducks all in a row, they wanted a WAR, so they could
again make some of that really BIG money they were making with the
U.S. Civil War.

War they got -- and I will tell you about that and the role of Teddy
Roosevelt and Mark Hanna in that below. -- it will have a very current
ring too it, you will be surprised.

When Mckinley signed the the declaration of war on April 25, 1898
he used Hobart's pen.

All that is well known to students of US history.

But here it gets interesting.

The Spanish American War resulted in the American capture of the
Philippine islands from Spain. McKinley, began to be troubled about
"the Philippine business" but in the end determined to "Civilize and
Christianize" them -- it came to him one night after he asked for
"Divine guidance."

Congress brought forth a resolution to establish freedom for the
Phillipine Islands.
William Jennings Bryan, still leading the Democrats, what attacked the
sordid motives of the businessmen dominating the administration, how
they were bent on leading the republic down the path of militarism.
He pointed out that the Republicans were ignoring Filipino rights and
violating our own constitution. He challenged the Republicans by
telling them that do not dare to take the people's side here at home,
how could they take the side of the Filipino's whose country they
occupy with physical force alone? "We dare not educate the Filipinos,
lest they learn to read the Declaration of Independence and the
Constitution of the United States." Bryan reminded the nation that
Christ's injunction to go into all the world and preach the Gospel
said nothing about enforcing conversion and virtue at the point of a
Gatling machine gun.

Then McKinnley, doubtless influenced by the criticism coming from
Bryan, began to think and act for himself. (His views were also
changing from High Tariffs to "reciprocal trade.) A struggle ensued
with Mark Hanna for control of the national Republican machine.

Hanna took action.

In the fall of 1898, Hobart fell ill with "symptoms of embarrassed
respiration". On March 3rd he resigned from his duties presiding as
presiding officer of the Senate. On November 21, 1899 was dead.

In the election of 1900 Teddy Roosevelt was McKinnleys new running
mate.

In September of 1900 McKinnley was shot by a Polish Jew, Leon F.
Czolgosz, who merely said "I thought it wasn't right for any one man
to get so much ceremony." He insisted that he did not get the idea of
killing the President until three or four days before he shot him.
But those in the Anarchist group he joined told a different story:

In August 1898 he quit his job at a wire mill, his older brother
remarking that he looked like he had "gone to pieces" -- he retired
to the family farm where he did not work, going to Cleveland for two
or three days, each time saying he was planning to attend "some
meetings."

In the Spring of 1900 he pressed the family for the return of the $400
that he had contributed to the purchase of the family farm so he could
go away.

On May 5, heard Emma Goldman in Cleveland.

On May 19 he visited Emil Schilling, treasurer of a group called the
Liberty Club. Three weeks later he asked Schilling, "Say, have you
any secret societies? I hear the Anarchists are plotting something.
.." During the investigation of Czolgosz detectives concluded that
sought connection with the anarchists for an unspecified project of
his own. One of the team of doctors wrote: "The inference is almost
justifiable that the act which he contemplated, instead of being the
result of Anarchist teachings, led him to turn to Anarchists as a
convenient means of accomplishing and explaining an end; the germ of
the idea that he had a duty to perform, which was to kill the
President, being already in his mind."

No lets go back a little bit.

Just as someone in Cleveland prepared Czolgosz for his job, which
involved blending in with Anarchists, so Thedore Roosevelt was being
prepared for his, which involved forcing wars and serving Hanna and
Morgan while appearing to all as as a straight-as-an arrow
incorruptable Progressive "trust buster."

Back in 1895 Teddy Roosevelt was sworn in as Police Commissioner at
City Hall in New York. His assignment was to break up the Tammany
machine based on big Irish cops cracking heads here and whistling past
corruption there etc. and to make that machine totally subservient to
the Morgan and Hanna interests. The "Take" of cops had been big
enough to sustain the Democratic organization in power from 1886 to
1894. Roosevelt became the hit man. As TR wrote to a friend at the
time: " I ahve the most important and corrupt department in New York
on my hands. I shall speedily assail some of the ablest, shrewdest
men in this city, who will be fighting for their lives, and I know how
hard the task ahead of me is." After TR, the Money Power was firmly
in control of New York politics.

Roosevelt's next job was to ready the US for war with Spain.

In mid-1897 we see President McKinnley suddenly appointing "TR"
Assistant sScretary of the Navy.

The position of Assistant Secretary of the Navy was the most powerful
international post at the time. The Navy was the main power of
"isolationist" might, but it was also the one with the most
international connections -- arrangements must be made with all the
nations where American ships were visiting etc. Roosevelt began at
once working for a bigger fleet (my Paternal grandfather, a sailor in
the ranks, around the world in "the Great White Fleet" that Roosevelt
pushed to be built.)

But Roosevelt was also insisting that war with Spain was inevitable!
(This was before the battleship Main was blown up in Havana harbor --
the Pearl Harbor, World Trade Center casus belli of the day.) His
letters of the time show that he was determined that the US should
control both oceans and dispossess Spain of her possessions in each of
them.

Roosevelt had the internationalist ideology that war is a legitimate
instrument of political power. Roosevelt was a militarist without
apology, equating war with manhood.

On the evening of February 15, 1898 the battleship Main exploded
killing 250 sailors. Immediately the monopoly mass media began its
firestorm of jingoism, screaming for revenge of what historians are
now agreed was certainly not the work of Spain!!!

At this point the Secretary of the Navy, John Davis, became ill and
left for Massachusetts to recover, leaving Roosevelt in charge of the
Navy. Immediately, while the nation was still at peace, Roosevelt
cabled the Pacific Fleet, under Commodore George Dewey, to Hong Kong,
there to be ready to keep the Spanish feet from leaving the Asiatic
coast and then to move to the Philippine Island for offensive
operations.

McKinnley was surprised at the action taken by Roosevelt, when the
origins of the explosion in Havana harbor were not even known. But
the President did not rescind the Assistant Secretary of the Navy's
order.

In April, after the heavy bombardment of the nations giant newspaper
chains, let by the Hearst Corporation, Congress bowed to the
instigated public pressure and declared war on Spain.

THe very next day, Theodore Roosevelt resigned from his cabinet post
as Secretary of the Navy and was wonderously and instantly appointed
lieutenant-colonel of a new regiment of mounted cavalry called the
Rough Riders. Morgan and Hanna and the Hearst papers etc. were about
to make themselves a war hero President.

There is some question of just how real and how much staged the famous
"charge" up San Juan Hill really was. Roosevelt wrote: "We were all
in the spirit of the thing, and greatly excited by the charge, the men
cheering and running forward between shots. . . . "

When the great hero returned half a million people crowded the ticker
tape parade.

Like Franklin Roosevelt after him (who also was assistant secretary of
the navy during world war one, btw) Teddy immediatly ran for large
corporations under public regulation" -- in other words dividing up
the market and fixing prices so that there would be no competition and
doing it "legally" -- as sociologist and historian Gabrial Kloko has
pointed out,

It was at this point that McKinnley was breaking with Mark Hanna on
the issue of imperialism and the tarrif and acting his own man -- and
that Vice President Hobart took sick and died.

Suddenly "Boss" Platt, one of the leaders of the New York Party
machine was saying the virile personality of Roosevelt, "supported by
his war record in Cuba and by his administrative record as Governor of
New York, would add great strength to the national ticket." Very
strange thing for someone who worked to put Roosevelt in the governors
chair to be saying -- wanting him to take the figurehead position that
is the U.S. vice presidency!

Knowing that the public distructed him and that his public approval of
someone could be the kiss of death in public opinion, Mark Hanna
began the very unpolitician-like practice of telling everyone that he
did not like Teddy Roosevelt! ALthough whenever this or that
candidtate had been suggested for the VP postion, Hanna had jumped in
saying that alternative "would not be big enough to be President."

Of course the convention was all "sewed up" and Roosevelt won the Vice
Presidency on the firs ballot as McKinley's running mate.

Again William Jennings Bryan ran for the Democrats against war and
imperialism and the cross of gold -- and again he lost. Roosevelt --
a very good agent for whoever was backing him -- gave 673 speeches on
a campaign trail 21,000 miles long through 24 states and 567 cities
and towns.

Yet Roosevelt did nothing during his tenure as President.

When McKinnely was shot in Buffalo, Roosevelt was alone in the
Adirondack Mountains communing with nature and his rifle (there not
being any schools around to help little tots with their reading
assignments) when a messenger got to him with the news -- he
hurried to Buffalo, and, on the 10th, finding McKinley not dead and
doing all right, he hurried back to the mountains again to be with his
family. And he stayed there until the 13th when McKinley finally was
dead. Roosevelt then went to Buffalo and took the oath of office at
the mansion of lawyer Ans;eu Wo;cpx. eight blocks down the street
from where McKinnley's body lay in state.

Recall that Mark Hanna had been posing as anti-Roosevelt even as he
intervened to ensure his electrion to the vice presidency. There were
some unusual statements by Hanna well before McKinley taking the
bullet:

To a delegate at the convention: "Don't you realize that there's only
one life between that madman and the Presidency?"

And to McKinely: "You duty to the country is to live for your years
from next March." (note: Inauguration Day used to be in March).

But the break between Hanna and McKinley over important issues of
foreign policy and these remarks forces one to say that Mark Hanna
"protesteth too much" .

For the alleged first meeting between Mark Hanna and Roosevelt came
IMMEDIATELY AFTER ROOSEVELT WAS SWORN IN -- HANNA WAS THE FIRST TO
ENTER THE HOUSE AFTER THE SWEARING IN -- IN OTHER WORDS, MARK HANNA
WAS THERE BUT DID NOT WANT TO BE SEEN WITH ROOSEVELT, HE DID NOT WANT
TO APPEAR TO COZY WITH IM.

But as a memorial book of McKinley's life tells of the alleged first
meeting between Roosevelt and Hanna on this occasion:

"President Roosevelt descried Mr. Hanna before he had mounted the
steps of the house. He came alertly and expectantly through the crowd
of well wishers surrounding him and hyeld out both hands. 'How do you
do, Senator, I am glad to see you,' he said, in tones rather modified
from his usual resonant enunciation.

"The lifelong friend of the dead President had his soft gray slouch
hat in his right hand. He transferred it to his left, which held his
cane, and holding out his right hand, he looked steadily at the new
national chieftain. 'Mr. President,' he said, and those who were
standing within a few feet thought they detected a quaver in his
voice. "Mr. President, I wish you success and a prosperous
administration; I trust that you will command me if I can be of
service.'

"The two men, easily the two most interesting figures in the great
tragedy, clasped hands for nearly a minute, but did not exchagne
another word."

And yes, Roosevelt's Presidency was very "prosperous" for some.

Years later, in 1912, Roosevelt served his nation again -- by forming
the Bull Moose party and drawing Republican votes from nationalist
Taft so that Woodrow Wilson could become President in the 1912
election.

In 1913, under Wilson, the Federal Reserve Act, the Income Tax, the
direct election of Senators were enacted -- and in 1917 -- after
the profits of war had been made -- he led us into war.
(Interestingly enough, it was William Jennings Bryan who was Wilson's
Secretary of State and who resigned because he felt that Wilson was
seeking to provoke the war he was pretending to oppose. (Wilson of
course was under the control of Col Edward House and young Berbard
Baruch who really controlled his presidency as Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld
control GW Bush's.

I tell you this story so that you will see the pattern of rich men and
war and goverment and murder.

I hope someone who reads this will take the clues I offer here and
write the book that needs to be written.

But for now, take what I have given here and recognize that what went
on at the beginning of the last century is happening again today.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
This is 1938 Berlin
2003-07-18 13:41:34 UTC
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Post by This is 1938 Berlin
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Hopefully the "Security Section" of ADL will check up on you/your
activities as a "Potential Threat" to society, Jewish Society, in
particular. Ralph Nesbitt Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
If any of them fuck with me, I'll skewer the motherfuckers.
Things are getting tense in the good ol' USA.
Zionists are the masters of murder and deceit.
I don't give myself more than a month.
And so I have written this -- your my countrymen for men of good will
========
From: Dick Eastman
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: my secrets are out, except this one (rather important)
my secrets are out, except this one (rather important)
Whenever I go away fear that I may never write another word. And so
I try to say everything that I think needs saying. The recent death
of Brian Quig sets me thinking about leaving an index of my
discoveries and theories, a list of my proposals for reforming the
country to restore her highest principles of government -- and
finally, below all that, to share the great book idea that I may
never get around to writing.
1. clandestine weather modification
2. the role of Bernard Baruche in the twentieth century
3. the monetary theory of globalization plunder of nations
4. the F-16 attack on the Pentagon
5. the real greatness and goodness of John C. Calhoun, William
Jennings Bryan, Huey Long, Father Coughlin, CHarles Lindberg, Robert
Taft, Joe McCarthy
6. the masterplan of Zhou Enlai for the overthrow of the US by
indirect cultural warfare means
7. and my own confirmation of the two essential conspiracy theories of
my day
a. the Federal Reserve system, income tax, direct
election of US Senators as deliberate preparation for
the economic exploitation of pre-planed world war one
b. the arch evil of Zionism
1) return to state legislatures selecting Senators;
2) return and perfection of electors selection presidents --
electors chosen in purely local elections of best persons without
party or prior commitment to a choice -- they then chose a President
by any method of interviews and sifting and they collectively choose
-- the top two choices becoming president and vice president
3) strict use of anti-trust to break up zionist organized crime
monopoly of the media;
4) the breakup of the Congress -- useing the Capitol for ceremonies
only -- having representatives and senators permanently located in
their own states -- all committee work and interviewing being done at
locations specified at the time of the creation of the committee
5) the re-uniting of "ways and means" with the passage of each bill
-- so that each bill will have its costs and benefits clearly defined
6) the elimination of omnibus bills --paring down the role of the
Federal Government (re-establishing state power from the mere
subservient corporation dividions they are today under the federal
dictatorship
7) Huey Long -like wealth tax -- re-distributing all wealth so that
no man's fortune exceeds 200 million dollars
8) the breakup of corporations -- requiring that all businesses be
conducted as single proprietorships or full-liability partnerships --
corporation bigness is not required to achieve "economies of scale"
-- in fact nothing is more like soviet planned economy ineptitude than
corporations, holding companies etc. Henry Ford and Bill gates did OK
by America -- J.P. Morgan and the corporations with Frank Carlucchi
on their Boards do not.
9) the forbidding of the export of investment capital --
international trade should be of consumption goods (products) ,
capital goods (machines, tools), raw materials, education and tourism
-- NOT INVESTMENT IN OTHER COUNTRIES -- NOT INTERNATIONAL LOANS --
10) the IMF, World Bank and other creatures of international banking
masquerading as humanitarian aid must be eliminated immediately
11) international treaties such as NAFTA must be eliminated
immediately
12) NATO should be eliminated immediately and all military and
policial treaties between nations should be eliminated
13) no individual on earth should be permitted to own findustrial
capital outside his own country
14) banking should be returned totally to the seperate states to
regulate as they wish
15) the Federal Reserve private monopoly on the creation of money
should be eliminated
16) the Treasury should take over the money supply and the production
of dollars
17. the open market purchase and sale of government securities should
be eliminated as the means of regulating the money supply and interest
rates
18) the US should issue its dollar and its eagle, one backed by
silver the other by gold, allowing each to float freely against each
other
19) International merchant banking should be outlawed --
international banking merely limited to the facilitation of
international sales transactions of goods (see above) and not finance
capitalist investment
blah blah blah you have all heard all this from me a hundred times
but here is something that I hope will effect every reader's thinking
about US politics over the last 100 years
----
Finally, in rushed form, an important piece of history that
illuminates our miserable times, and involves some of the same evil
forces.
Anyway, I have one more discovery to set out now -- in case I am not
here on Monday
My Secrets are Out, Except This One
by Dick Eastman
TR Roosevelt, Assassination, Bully Little Wars, "Remember the Main,"
Imperialism and Masked Slavery
The Rothschild Agent in charge of managing US politics (as J.P. Morgan
was in chage of managing US finance) was Mark Hanna.
Representing the international IOU-holding class (bond market) Hanna
and Morgan (with Rockefeller and other Robber Baron Money Lords)
sought a policy of DEFLATION --
since loanable funds, which they monopolized, have a price (called the
interest rate) which is determined by supply and demand. The Goal of
Morgan and Hanna in 1896 as in other elections was to uphold a pure
Gold Standard for the American money system, so that money (loanable
funds) would be scarcer and the profits in lending greater. (The
Civil War had made the Rockefellers, Harrimans etc. extremely wealthy
and therefore politically corrupting nationally.
McKinnley was chosen by Mark Hanna to be the President because he
favored the Gold Standard. J.P. Morgan had destroyed Grover Cleveland
with an economic depression that brought (small town) bank failures,
unemployment, hunger, crippling labor strikes -- the big newspapers
owned by the Money Lords ensuring that the Democrats would be blamed
because they were "the party in power."
McKinnley and Hobart ( Garret Hobart was director in 60 large
corporations and general counsel for many of them -- once when their
opponent, William Jennings Bryan came to a town and began making a
speech in a large hall -- the lights suddenly went out, forcing
Bryan to make his speech in total darkness -- Hobat was President of
the electric company servicing that region) -- the Rebublicans were
elected offering the single remedy for all ills: "sound money," i.e.,
the gold standard, ie., tight money supply -- deflation for the IOU
holders.
But then, as investment bankers always do when they have their
monetary system ducks all in a row, they wanted a WAR, so they could
again make some of that really BIG money they were making with the
U.S. Civil War.
War they got -- and I will tell you about that and the role of Teddy
Roosevelt and Mark Hanna in that below. -- it will have a very current
ring too it, you will be surprised.
When Mckinley signed the the declaration of war on April 25, 1898
he used Hobart's pen.
All that is well known to students of US history.
But here it gets interesting.
The Spanish American War resulted in the American capture of the
Philippine islands from Spain. McKinley, began to be troubled about
"the Philippine business" but in the end determined to "Civilize and
Christianize" them -- it came to him one night after he asked for
"Divine guidance."
Congress brought forth a resolution to establish freedom for the
Phillipine Islands.
William Jennings Bryan, still leading the Democrats, what attacked the
sordid motives of the businessmen dominating the administration, how
they were bent on leading the republic down the path of militarism.
He pointed out that the Republicans were ignoring Filipino rights and
violating our own constitution. He challenged the Republicans by
telling them that do not dare to take the people's side here at home,
how could they take the side of the Filipino's whose country they
occupy with physical force alone? "We dare not educate the Filipinos,
lest they learn to read the Declaration of Independence and the
Constitution of the United States." Bryan reminded the nation that
Christ's injunction to go into all the world and preach the Gospel
said nothing about enforcing conversion and virtue at the point of a
Gatling machine gun.
Then McKinnley, doubtless influenced by the criticism coming from
Bryan, began to think and act for himself. (His views were also
changing from High Tariffs to "reciprocal trade.) A struggle ensued
with Mark Hanna for control of the national Republican machine.
Hanna took action.
In the fall of 1898, Hobart fell ill with "symptoms of embarrassed
respiration". On March 3rd he resigned from his duties presiding as
presiding officer of the Senate. On November 21, 1899 was dead.
In the election of 1900 Teddy Roosevelt was McKinnleys new running
mate.
In September of 1900 McKinnley was shot by a Polish Jew, Leon F.
Czolgosz, who merely said "I thought it wasn't right for any one man
to get so much ceremony." He insisted that he did not get the idea of
killing the President until three or four days before he shot him.
In August 1898 he quit his job at a wire mill, his older brother
remarking that he looked like he had "gone to pieces" -- he retired
to the family farm where he did not work, going to Cleveland for two
or three days, each time saying he was planning to attend "some
meetings."
In the Spring of 1900 he pressed the family for the return of the $400
that he had contributed to the purchase of the family farm so he could
go away.
On May 5, heard Emma Goldman in Cleveland.
On May 19 he visited Emil Schilling, treasurer of a group called the
Liberty Club. Three weeks later he asked Schilling, "Say, have you
any secret societies? I hear the Anarchists are plotting something.
.." During the investigation of Czolgosz detectives concluded that
sought connection with the anarchists for an unspecified project of
his own. One of the team of doctors wrote: "The inference is almost
justifiable that the act which he contemplated, instead of being the
result of Anarchist teachings, led him to turn to Anarchists as a
convenient means of accomplishing and explaining an end; the germ of
the idea that he had a duty to perform, which was to kill the
President, being already in his mind."
No lets go back a little bit.
Just as someone in Cleveland prepared Czolgosz for his job, which
involved blending in with Anarchists, so Thedore Roosevelt was being
prepared for his, which involved forcing wars and serving Hanna and
Morgan while appearing to all as as a straight-as-an arrow
incorruptable Progressive "trust buster."
Back in 1895 Teddy Roosevelt was sworn in as Police Commissioner at
City Hall in New York. His assignment was to break up the Tammany
machine based on big Irish cops cracking heads here and whistling past
corruption there etc. and to make that machine totally subservient to
the Morgan and Hanna interests. The "Take" of cops had been big
enough to sustain the Democratic organization in power from 1886 to
1894. Roosevelt became the hit man. As TR wrote to a friend at the
time: " I ahve the most important and corrupt department in New York
on my hands. I shall speedily assail some of the ablest, shrewdest
men in this city, who will be fighting for their lives, and I know how
hard the task ahead of me is." After TR, the Money Power was firmly
in control of New York politics.
Roosevelt's next job was to ready the US for war with Spain.
In mid-1897 we see President McKinnley suddenly appointing "TR"
Assistant sScretary of the Navy.
The position of Assistant Secretary of the Navy was the most powerful
international post at the time. The Navy was the main power of
"isolationist" might, but it was also the one with the most
international connections -- arrangements must be made with all the
nations where American ships were visiting etc. Roosevelt began at
once working for a bigger fleet (my Paternal grandfather, a sailor in
the ranks, around the world in "the Great White Fleet" that Roosevelt
pushed to be built.)
But Roosevelt was also insisting that war with Spain was inevitable!
(This was before the battleship Main was blown up in Havana harbor --
the Pearl Harbor, World Trade Center casus belli of the day.) His
letters of the time show that he was determined that the US should
control both oceans and dispossess Spain of her possessions in each of
them.
Roosevelt had the internationalist ideology that war is a legitimate
instrument of political power. Roosevelt was a militarist without
apology, equating war with manhood.
On the evening of February 15, 1898 the battleship Main exploded
killing 250 sailors. Immediately the monopoly mass media began its
firestorm of jingoism, screaming for revenge of what historians are
now agreed was certainly not the work of Spain!!!
At this point the Secretary of the Navy, John Davis, became ill and
left for Massachusetts to recover, leaving Roosevelt in charge of the
Navy. Immediately, while the nation was still at peace, Roosevelt
cabled the Pacific Fleet, under Commodore George Dewey, to Hong Kong,
there to be ready to keep the Spanish feet from leaving the Asiatic
coast and then to move to the Philippine Island for offensive
operations.
McKinnley was surprised at the action taken by Roosevelt, when the
origins of the explosion in Havana harbor were not even known. But
the President did not rescind the Assistant Secretary of the Navy's
order.
In April, after the heavy bombardment of the nations giant newspaper
chains, let by the Hearst Corporation, Congress bowed to the
instigated public pressure and declared war on Spain.
THe very next day, Theodore Roosevelt resigned from his cabinet post
as Secretary of the Navy and was wonderously and instantly appointed
lieutenant-colonel of a new regiment of mounted cavalry called the
Rough Riders. Morgan and Hanna and the Hearst papers etc. were about
to make themselves a war hero President.
There is some question of just how real and how much staged the famous
"charge" up San Juan Hill really was. Roosevelt wrote: "We were all
in the spirit of the thing, and greatly excited by the charge, the men
cheering and running forward between shots. . . . "
When the great hero returned half a million people crowded the ticker
tape parade.
Like Franklin Roosevelt after him (who also was assistant secretary of
the navy during world war one, btw) Teddy immediatly ran for large
corporations under public regulation" -- in other words dividing up
the market and fixing prices so that there would be no competition and
doing it "legally" -- as sociologist and historian Gabrial Kloko has
pointed out,
It was at this point that McKinnley was breaking with Mark Hanna on
the issue of imperialism and the tarrif and acting his own man -- and
that Vice President Hobart took sick and died.
Suddenly "Boss" Platt, one of the leaders of the New York Party
machine was saying the virile personality of Roosevelt, "supported by
his war record in Cuba and by his administrative record as Governor of
New York, would add great strength to the national ticket." Very
strange thing for someone who worked to put Roosevelt in the governors
chair to be saying -- wanting him to take the figurehead position that
is the U.S. vice presidency!
Knowing that the public distructed him and that his public approval of
someone could be the kiss of death in public opinion, Mark Hanna
began the very unpolitician-like practice of telling everyone that he
did not like Teddy Roosevelt! ALthough whenever this or that
candidtate had been suggested for the VP postion, Hanna had jumped in
saying that alternative "would not be big enough to be President."
Of course the convention was all "sewed up" and Roosevelt won the Vice
Presidency on the firs ballot as McKinley's running mate.
Again William Jennings Bryan ran for the Democrats against war and
imperialism and the cross of gold -- and again he lost. Roosevelt --
a very good agent for whoever was backing him -- gave 673 speeches on
a campaign trail 21,000 miles long through 24 states and 567 cities
and towns.
Yet Roosevelt did nothing during his tenure as President.
When McKinnely was shot in Buffalo, Roosevelt was alone in the
Adirondack Mountains communing with nature and his rifle (there not
being any schools around to help little tots with their reading
assignments) when a messenger got to him with the news -- he
hurried to Buffalo, and, on the 10th, finding McKinley not dead and
doing all right, he hurried back to the mountains again to be with his
family. And he stayed there until the 13th when McKinley finally was
dead. Roosevelt then went to Buffalo and took the oath of office at
the mansion of lawyer Ans;eu Wo;cpx. eight blocks down the street
from where McKinnley's body lay in state.
Recall that Mark Hanna had been posing as anti-Roosevelt even as he
intervened to ensure his electrion to the vice presidency. There were
some unusual statements by Hanna well before McKinley taking the
To a delegate at the convention: "Don't you realize that there's only
one life between that madman and the Presidency?"
And to McKinely: "You duty to the country is to live for your years
from next March." (note: Inauguration Day used to be in March).
But the break between Hanna and McKinley over important issues of
foreign policy and these remarks forces one to say that Mark Hanna
"protesteth too much" .
For the alleged first meeting between Mark Hanna and Roosevelt came
IMMEDIATELY AFTER ROOSEVELT WAS SWORN IN -- HANNA WAS THE FIRST TO
ENTER THE HOUSE AFTER THE SWEARING IN -- IN OTHER WORDS, MARK HANNA
WAS THERE BUT DID NOT WANT TO BE SEEN WITH ROOSEVELT, HE DID NOT WANT
TO APPEAR TO COZY WITH IM.
But as a memorial book of McKinley's life tells of the alleged first
"President Roosevelt descried Mr. Hanna before he had mounted the
steps of the house. He came alertly and expectantly through the crowd
of well wishers surrounding him and hyeld out both hands. 'How do you
do, Senator, I am glad to see you,' he said, in tones rather modified
from his usual resonant enunciation.
"The lifelong friend of the dead President had his soft gray slouch
hat in his right hand. He transferred it to his left, which held his
cane, and holding out his right hand, he looked steadily at the new
national chieftain. 'Mr. President,' he said, and those who were
standing within a few feet thought they detected a quaver in his
voice. "Mr. President, I wish you success and a prosperous
administration; I trust that you will command me if I can be of
service.'
"The two men, easily the two most interesting figures in the great
tragedy, clasped hands for nearly a minute, but did not exchagne
another word."
And yes, Roosevelt's Presidency was very "prosperous" for some.
Years later, in 1912, Roosevelt served his nation again -- by forming
the Bull Moose party and drawing Republican votes from nationalist
Taft so that Woodrow Wilson could become President in the 1912
election.
In 1913, under Wilson, the Federal Reserve Act, the Income Tax, the
direct election of Senators were enacted -- and in 1917 -- after
the profits of war had been made -- he led us into war.
(Interestingly enough, it was William Jennings Bryan who was Wilson's
Secretary of State and who resigned because he felt that Wilson was
seeking to provoke the war he was pretending to oppose. (Wilson of
course was under the control of Col Edward House and young Berbard
Baruch who really controlled his presidency as Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld
control GW Bush's.
I tell you this story so that you will see the pattern of rich men and
war and goverment and murder.
I hope someone who reads this will take the clues I offer here and
write the book that needs to be written.
But for now, take what I have given here and recognize that what went
on at the beginning of the last century is happening again today.
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
If anything happens to Mr. Eastman, I will blow shit up.
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John Mazor
2003-07-18 23:56:42 UTC
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If anything happens to Mr. Eastman, I will blow shit up.
You've been blowing shit down, sideways, forwards and backwards here
for some time now. Why should we worry about you directing it upwards
now?
oldickeastman
2003-07-25 02:53:29 UTC
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First "Harry Hope" appeared on the internet -- now here is "Joe
Friendly" who has sized everything up.

It's like the marines have just landed and we are saved!

"It isn't the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight
in the dog that counts."

Be what you are, face the facts and say what you think -- fear will
vanish and the Harry Hopes and Joe Friendlys will appear.

And how about that Amy Worthington?

Dick Eastman


----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Friendly
To: People Who Think For Themselves:
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:02 AM
Subject: The US Administration are Nuking Everyone


Global sabotage enters totalitarian phase
by Joe Friendly

We are in the critical stage of global articulation.

The planetary saboteurs are wreaking maximum havoc on the world's
people and ecosystem - employing vaccines, both legal and illegal
drugs, pollution, toxic, non-nutritive food, coffee, cigarettes,
alcohol, marijuana, pornography, war trauma, media induced mental
damage, miseducation, state repression and terrorism, impoverishment,
military trauma and violence indoctrination, nuclear contamination,
civilisational sabotage through the IMF, WTO, EEC, etc.,
deforestation, agribusiness, frankenfoods, biological weapons, space
based weapons, HAARP, global climate sabotage, polluting and damming
of all the world's rivers, polluting and drawing down underground
aquifers, soil depletion and pollution, and mass species extinctions.


All this to cling to power and try to prevent humanity from claiming
its inherent dignity and divinity. The outcome of this Armageddon is
contingent on the choices made by you and me each moment.





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Death By Slow Burn - How America Nukes Its Own Troops
What 'Support Our Troops' Really Means
By Amy Worthington
The Idaho Observer
4-16-3

On March 30, an AP photo featured an American pro-war activist holding
a sign: "Nuke the evil scum, it worked in 1945!" That's exactly what
George Bush has done. America's mega-billion dollar war in Iraq has
been indeed a NUCLEAR WAR.

Bush-Cheney have delivered upon 17 million Iraqis tons of depleted
uranium (DU) weapons, a "liberation" gift that will keep on giving.
Depleted uranium is a component of toxic nuclear waste, usually stored
at secure sites. Handlers need radiation protection gear.

Over a decade ago, war-makers decided to incorporate this lethal waste
into much of the Pentagon's weaponry. Navy ships carrying Phalanx
rapid fire guns are capable of firing thousands of DU rounds per
minute.1 Tomahawk missiles launched from U.S. ships and subs are
DU-tipped.2 The M1 Abrams tanks are armored with DU.3 These and
British Challenger II tanks are tightly packed with DU shells, which
continually irradiate troops in or near them.4 The A-10 "tank buster"
aircraft fires DU shells at machines and people on the battlefield.5

DU munitions are classified by a United Nations resolution as illegal
weapons of mass destruction. Their use breaches all international
laws, treaties and conventions forbidding poisoned weapons calculated
to cause unnecessary suffering.

Ironically, support for our troops will extend well beyond the war in
Iraq. Americans will be supporting Gulf War II veterans for years as
they slowly and painfully succumb to radiation poisoning. U.S and
British troops deployed to the area are the walking dead. Humans and
animals, friends and foes in the fallout zone are destined to a long
downhill spiral of chronic illness and disability. Kidney dysfunction,
lung damage, bloody stools, extreme fatigue, joint pain, unsteady
gait, memory loss and rashes and, ultimately, cancer and premature
death await those exposed to DU.

Award-winning journalist Will Thomas wrote: "As the last Gulf conflict
so savagely demonstrated, GI immune systems reeling from multiple
doses of experimental vaccines offer little defense against further
exposure to chemical weapons, industrial toxins, stress, caffeine,
insect repellent and radiation leftover from the last war. This is a
war even the victors will lose."6

When a DU shell is fired, it ignites upon impact. Uranium, plus traces
of plutonium and americium, vaporize into tiny, ceramic particles of
radioactive dust. Once inhaled, uranium oxides lodge in the body and
emit radiation indefinitely. A single particle of DU lodged in a lymph
node can devastate the entire immune system according to British
radiation expert Roger Coghill.7

The Royal Society of England published data showing that battlefield
soldiers who inhale or swallow high levels of DU can suffer kidney
failure within days.8 Any soldier now in Iraq who has not inhaled
lethal radioactive dust is not breathing. In the first two weeks of
combat, 700 Tomahawks, at a cost of $1.3 million each, blasted Iraqi
real estate into radioactive mushroom clouds.9 Millions of DU tank
rounds liter the terrain. Cleanup is impossible because there is no
place on the planet to put so much contaminated debris.

Bush Sr.'s Gulf War I was also a nuclear war. 320 tons of depleted
uranium were used against Iraq in 1991.10 A 1998 report by the U.S.
Agency for Toxic Substances confirms that inhaling DU causes symptoms
identical to those claimed by many sick vets with Gulf War Syndrome.11
The Gulf War Veterans Association reports that at least 300,000 Gulf
War I vets have now developed incapacitating illnesses.12 To date,
209,000 vets have filed claims for disability benefits based on
service-connected injuries and illnesses from combat in that war.13

Dr. Asaf Durakovic, a professor of nuclear medicine at Georgetown
University, is a former army medical expert. He told nuclear
scientists in Paris last year that tens of thousands of sick British
and American soldiers are now dying from radiation they encountered
during Gulf War I. He found that 62 percent of sick vets tested have
uranium isotopes in their organs, bones, brains and urine.14
Laboratories in Switzerland and Finland corroborated his findings.

In other studies, some sick vets were found to be expressing uranium
in even their semen. Their sexual partners often complained of a
burning sensation during intercourse, followed by their own
debilitating illnesses.15

Nothing compares to the astronomical cancer rates and birth defects
suffered by the Iraqi people who have endured vicious nuclear
chastisement for years.16 U.S. air attacks against Iraq since 1993
have undoubtedly employed nuclear munitions. Pictures of grotesquely
deformed Iraqi infants born since 1991 are overwhelming.17 Like those
born to Gulf War I vets, many babies born to troops now in Iraq will
also be afflicted with hideous deformities, neurological damage and/or
blood and respiratory disorders.18

As an Army health physicist, Dr. Doug Rokke was dispatched to the
Middle East to salvage DU-contaminated tanks after Gulf War I. His
Geiger counters revealed that the war zones of Iraq and Kuwait were
contaminated with up to 300 millirems an hour in beta and gamma
radiation plus thousands to millions of counts per minute in alpha
radiation. Rokke recently told the media: "The whole area is still
trashed. It is hotter than heck over there still. This stuff doesn't
go away."19

DU remains "hot" for 4.5 billion years. Radiation expert Dr. Helen
Caldicott confirms that the dust-laden winds of DU-contaminated war
zones "will remain effectively radioactive for the rest of time."20
The murderous dust storms which ensnared coalition troops during the
first few days of the current invasion are sure to have significant
health consequences.

Rokke and his clean-up team were issued only flimsy dust masks for
their dangerous work. Of the 100 people on Rokke's decontamination
team, 30 have already "dropped dead." Rokke himself is ill with
radiation damage to lungs and kidneys. He has brain lesions, skin
pustules, chronic fatigue, continual wheezing and painful
fibromyalgia. Rokke warns that anyone exposed to DU should have
adequate respiratory protection and special coveralls to protect their
clothing because, he says, you can't get uranium particles off your
clothing.

The U.S. military insists that DU on the battlefield is not a problem.
Colonel James Naughton of the U.S. Army Material Command recently told
the BBC that complaints about DU "had no medical basis."21 The
military's own documents belie this. A 1993 Pentagon document warned
that "when soldiers inhale or ingest DU dust they incur a potential
increase in cancer risk."22 A U.S. Army training manual requires
anyone who comes within 25 meters of DU-contaminated equipment to wear
respiratory and skin protection.23 The U.S. Army Environmental Policy
Institute admitted: "If DU enters the body, it has the potential to
generate significant medical consequences."24 The Institute also
stated that, if the troops were to realize what they had been exposed
to, "the financial implications of long-term disability payments and
healthcare costs would be excessive."25 For pragmatic reasons, DOD
chooses to lie and deny.

Dr. Rokke confirms that the Pentagon lies about DU dangers and is
criminally negligent for neglecting medical attention needed by
DU-contaminated vets. He predicts that the numbers of American troops
to be sickened by DU from Gulf War II will be staggering.26 As they
gradually sicken and suffer a slow burn to their graves, the Pentagon
will, as it did after Gulf War I, deny that their misery and death is
a result of their tour in Iraq.

Dr. Rokke's candor has cost him his career. Likewise, Dr. Durakovic's
radiation studies on Gulf War I vets were not popular with U.S.
officials. Dr. Durakovic was reportedly told his life was in danger if
he continued his research. He left the U.S. to continue his research
abroad.27

Naive young coalition soldiers now in Iraq are likely unaware of how
deadly their battlefield environment is. Gulf War I troops were kept
in ignorance. Soldiers handled DU fragments and some wore these lethal
nuggets around their necks. A DU projectile emits more radiation in
five hours than allowed in an entire year under civilian radiation
exposure standards. "We didn't know any better," Kris Kornkven told
Nation magazine. "We didn't find out until long after we were home
that there even was such a thing as DU."28

George Bush's ongoing war in Afghanistan is also a nuclear war.
Shortly after 9-11, the U.S. announced it would stockpile tactical
nuclear weapons including small neutron bombs, nuclear mines and
shells suited to commando warfare in Afghanistan.29 In late September,
2001, Bush and Russian president Vladimir Putin agreed that the U.S.
would use tactical nuclear weapons in Afghanistan while Putin would
employ nuclear weapons against the Chechnyans.30

Describing the Pentagon's B-61-11 burrowing nuke bomb, George Smith
writes in the Village Voice: "Built ram tough with a heavy metal
casing for smashing through the earth and concrete, the B-61 explodes
with the force of an estimated 340,000 tons of TNT. It is lots of bang
for the buck, literally two apocalypse bombs in one, a boosted
plutonium firecracker called the primary and a heavy hydrogen
secondary for that good old-fashioned H-bomb fireball."31

Drought-stricken Afghanistan's underground water supply is now
contaminated by these nuclear weapons.32 Experts with the Uranium
Medical Research Center report that urine samples of Afghanis show the
highest level of uranium ever recorded in a civilian population.
Afghani soldiers and civilians are reported to have died after
suffering intractable vomiting, severe respiratory problems, internal
bleeding and other symptoms consistent with radiation poisoning. Dead
birds still perched in trees are found partially melted with blood
oozing from their mouths.33

Afghanistan's new president, Hamid Karzai, is a puppet installed by
Washington. Under the protection of American soldiers, Karzai's regime
is setting a new record for opium production. Both UN and U.S. reports
confirm that the huge Afghani opium harvest of 2002 makes Afghanistan
the world's leading opium producer.34 Thanks to nuclear weapons,
Afghanistan is now safe for the Bush-Cheney narcotics industry.35 ABC
News asserts that keeping the "peace" in Afghanistan will require
decades of allied occupation.36 For years to come, "peacekeepers" will
be eating, drinking and breathing the "hot" carcinogenic pollution
they have helped the Pentagon inflict upon that nation for organized
crime.

As governor of Arkansas during the Iran-Contra era, Bill Clinton
laundered $multi-millions in cocaine profits for then vice-president
George Bush Sr.37 As a partner in the Bush family's notorious crime
machine, President Clinton committed U.S. troops to NATO's campaign in
the Balkans, a prime heroin production and trans-shipment area. DOD's
campaign to control and reorganize the drug trade there for the Bush
mafia was yet another nuclear project.

For years, the U.S. and NATO fired DU missiles, bullets and shells
across the Balkans, nuking the peoples of Serbia, Bosnia and Kosovo.
As DU munitions were slammed into chemical plants, the environment
became hideously toxic, also endangering the peoples of Albania,
Macedonia, Greece, Italy, Austria and Hungary. By 1999, UN
investigators reported that an estimated 12 tons of DU had caused
irreparable damage to the Yugoslavian environment, with agriculture,
livestock and air water, and public health all profoundly damaged.38

Scientists confirm that citizens of the Balkans are excreting uranium
in their urine.39 In 2001, a Yugoslavian pathologist reported that
hundreds of Bosnians have died of cancer from NATO's DU bombardment.40
Many NATO peacekeepers in the Balkans now suffer ill health. Their
leukemias, cancers and other maladies are dubbed the "Balkans
Syndrome." Richard Coghill predicts that DU weapons used in Balkans
campaign will result in at least 10,000 cases of fatal cancer.41

U.S. citizens at home are also paying a heavy price for criminal
militarism gone mad. DOD is a pollution monster. The General
Accounting Office (GAO) found 9,181 dangerous military sites in USA
that will require $billions to rehabilitate. The GAO reports that DOD
has been both slothful and deceitful in its clean-up obligations.42
The Pentagon is now pressing Congress to exempt it from all
environmental laws so that it may pollute and poison free from
liability.43

The Navy uses prime fishing grounds off the coast of Washington state
to test fire DU ammunition. In January, Washington State Rep. Jim
McDermott chastised the Navy: "On one hand you have required soldiers
to have DU safety training and to wear protective gear when handling
DU...and submarines must stay clear of DU-contaminated waters. These
policies indicate there is cause for concern....On the other hand the
Department of Defense has repeatedly denied that DU poses any danger
whatsoever. There has been no remorse about leaving tons of DU
equipment in the soil in foreign countries, and there appears to be no
remorse about leaving it in the waters of your own country."44

DU has been used in military practice maneuvers in Indiana, Florida,
New Mexico, Massachusetts, Maryland and Puerto Rico. After the Navy
tested DU weaponry on the Puerto Rican island of Vieques, one third of
the island's population developed serious illness. Many people show
high levels of uranium in their bodies. Hundreds have filed a class
action suit against the Navy for $100 million, claiming DU
contamination has caused widespread cancers.45

The Navy's Fallon Naval Air Station near Fallon, Nevada, is a quagmire
of 26 toxic waste sites. It is also a target practice zone for DU
bombs and missiles. Area residents report bizarre illnesses, including
17 children who have contracted leukemia within five years. A survey
of groundwater in the Fallon area showed nearly half of area wells are
contaminated with radioactive materials.46

The materials for DU weaponry have been processed mainly at three
nuclear plants in Kentucky, Ohio and Tennessee, where workers handling
uranium contaminated with plutonium have suffered for decades with
cancers and debilitating maladies similar to Gulf War Syndrome.47

Emboldened by power-grabbing successes made possible by his
administration's devious 9-11 project, President Bush asserts that the
U.S. has the right to attack any nation it deems a potential threat.
He told West Point in 2002, "If we wait for threats to fully
materialize, we will have waited too long."48 Thus, it is certain that
Bush-Cheney future pre-emptive nuclear wars are lined up like idling
jetson a runway. Both Cheney's Halliburton Corp. and the Bush family's
Carlyle Group are profiteers in U.S. defense contracts, so endless war
is just good business.49

The Washington Post reported that the Pentagon will create special
nuclear weapons for use on North Korea's underground nuclear
facilities.50 Next August, U.S. war makers will meet to consolidate
plans for a new generation of "mini," "micro" and "tiny" nuclear bombs
and bunker busters. These will be added to the U.S. arsenal perhaps
for use against non-nuclear third-world nations such as Iran, Syria,
Lebanon.51

The solution? Americans must stop electing ruthless criminals to rule
this nation. We must convince fellow citizens that villains like
Saddam Hussein are made in the U.S. as rationale for endless corporate
war profits. Saddam was placed in power by the CIA.52 For years U.S.
government agencies, under auspices of George Bush Sr., supplied him
with chemical and biological weapons.53 Our national nuclear
laboratories, along with Unisys, Dupont and Hewlett-Packard, sold
Saddam materials for his nuclear program.54 Dick Cheney was CEO of
Halliburton in the late 90s when its subsidiaries signed $73 million
in new contracts to further supply Saddam.55 The wicked villain of
Iraq was nurtured for decades as a cash-cow by U.S.
military-industrial piranhas.

If America truly supports its troops, it must stop sending them into
nuclear holocaust for the enrichment of thugs. Time is running out. If
the DU-maniacs at the Pentagon and their coven of nuclear arms
peddlers are not harnessed, America will have no able-bodied fighting
forces left. All people of the earth will become grossly ill,
hideously deformed and short- lived. We must succeed in the critical
imperative to face reality and act decisively. Should we fail, there
will be no place to hide from Bush-Cheney's merciless nuclear orgies
yet to come or from the inevitable nuclear retaliation these orgies
will surely breed.

Endnotes

1."DOD Launches Depleted Uranium Training," Linda Kozaryn, American
Forces Press Service, 8-13-99.

2."Nukes of the Gulf War,"John Shirley, ***@aol.com. See this article
in archives at www.gulfwarvets.com.

3. BBC News, "US To Use Depleted Uranium," March 18, 2003; U.S.
General Accounting Office, Operation Desert Storm: "Early Performance
Assessment of Bradley and Abrams," 1-2-92.

4."Nukes of the Gulf War," op. cit.

5. Ibid.

6. "Invading Hiroshima," William Thomas, 2-4-2003, www.willthomas.net

7. "US Shells Leave Lethal Legacy," Toronto Star, July 31, 1999; also
"Radiation Tests for Peacekeepers in the Balkans Exposed to Depleted
Uranium," www.telegraph.co.uk, 12-31-02.

8. "Depleted Uranium May Stop Kidneys In Days," Rob Edwards, New
Scientist.com, 3-12-02; also "Uranium Weapons Too Hot to Handle," Rob
Edwards, New Scientist.co.uk, 6-9-99.

9. "Navy Seeks Cash for More Tomahawks," David Rennie in Washington,
Telegraph Group Limited, 1-4-03, news.telegraph.co.uk.

10. "Going Nuclear in Iraq--DU Cancers Mount Daily," Ramzi Kysia,
CounterPunch.org, 12-31-01.

11."Depleted Uranium Symptoms Match US Report As Fears Spread," Peter
Beaumont, The Observer (UK) 1-14-01, www.guardianlimited.co.uk.

12. "Gulf War Illnesses Affect 300,000 Vets," Ellen Tomson, Pioneer
Press, www.pioneerplanet.com. See also American Gulf War Veterans
Association at www.gulfwarvets.com.

13. "2 of Every 5 Gulf War Vets Are On Disability: 209,000 Make VA
Claims," World Net Daily, 1-28-03, WorldNetDaily.com.

14. "Research on Sick Gulf Vets Revisited, "New York Times, 1-29-01;
"Tests Show Gulf War Victims Have Uranium Poisoning," Jonathon
Carr-Brown and Martin Meissonnier, The Sunday Times (UK) 9-3-02.

15. "Catastrophe: Ill Gulf Vets Contaminated Partners With DU," The
Halifax Herald Limited, Clare Mellor, 2-09-01. This article is
available in archives at www.rense.com.

16. "Iraqi Cancer, Birth Defects Blamed on US Depleted Uranium,"
Seattle Post- Intelligencer, 11-12-02; "US Depleted Uranium Yields
Chamber of Horrors in Southern Iraq, Andy Kershaw, The Independent
(London) 12-4-01.

17. "The Environmental and Human Health Impacts of the Gulf War Region
with Special References to Iraq," Ross Mirkarimi, The Arms Control
Research Centre, May 1992. See also Gulf War Syndrome Birth Defects in
Iraq at www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html.

18. "The Tiny Victims of Desert Storm, Has Our Country Abandoned
Them?," Life Magazine, November 1995; "Birth Defects Killing Gulf War
Babies," Los Angeles Times, 11-14-94; "Depleted Uranium, The Lingering
Poison," Alex Kirby, BBC News Online, 6-7-99.

19. "Depleted Uranium, A Killer Disaster," Travis Dunn, Disaster
News.net, 12-29-02.

20. San Francisco Chronicle, 10-10-02.

21. "US To Use Depleted Uranium," BBC News, 3-18-03.

22. "Depleted Uranium Symptoms Match US Report As Fears Spread," Peter
Beaumont, The Observer (UK) 1-14-01.

23. "Iraqi Cancer, Birth Defects Blamed on US Depleted Uranium,"
Seattle Post- Intelligencer, 11-12-02.

24. "US To Use Depleted Uranium," BBC News, 3-18-03.

25. US Army Environmental Policy Institute: Health and Environmental
Consequences of Depleted Uranium in the U.S. Army, Technical Report,
June 1995.

26. "Pentagon Depleted Uranium No Health Risk," Dr. Doug Rokke,
3-15-03; also "The Terrible, Tragic Toll of Depleted Uranium," Address
by Dr. Rokke before congressional leaders in Washington,
D.C.,12-30-02; also "Gulf War Casualties," Dr. Doug Rokke,
www.traprockpeace.org. 9-30-02.

27."Tests Show Gulf War Victims Have Uranium Poisoning," Sunday Times
(UK), Jonathon Carr-Brown and Martin Meissonnier, 9-3-00.

28. "The Pentagon's Radioactive Bullet: An Investigative Report," Bill
Mesler, The Nation, 5-28-99, see www.thenation.com/
issue/961021/1021mesl.htm.

29. "Tactical Nukes Deployed In Afghanistan," World Net Daily,
10-7-01. 30. Ibid.

31. "The B-61 Bomb,The Burrowing Nuke" George Smith,VillageVoice.com
12-29-02.; also "Bunker-busting US Tactical Nuclear Bombs, Nowhere to
Hide," Kennedy Grey, Wired.com, 10-9-01.

32."Perpetual Death From America," Mohammed Daud Miraki,
Afghan-American Interviews, 2-24-03; also "Dying of Thirst," Fred
Pearce, New Scientist, 11-17-2001.

33. Ibid.

34. "Afghanistan Displaces Myanmar as Top Heroin Producer," Agence
France-Presse, 3-01-03. This article is at www.copvcia.com.;also
"Opium Trade Flourishing In the `New Afghanistan,'" Reuters, 3-3-03.

35. "The Bush-Cheney Drug Empire," Michael C. Ruppert, Nexus Magazine,
February-March 2000; The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the
Global Drug Trade, Alfred W. McCoy, Lawrence Hill & Co., revised
edition due May 2003; Drugging of America, Rodney Stich, Diablo
Western Press, 1999; "Blood for Oil, Drugs for Arms," Bob Djurdjevic,
Truth In Media, April 2000, www.truthinmedia.org. 36. ABC News,
February 27, 2003.

37. Compromised, Clinton Bush and the CIA, Terry Reed and John
Cummings, S.P.I. Books, 1994; The Clinton Chronicles and The Mena
Cover-up, Citizens for Honest Government, 1996; "The Crimes of Mena,
Grey Money," Ozark Gazette, 1995 (see www.copvcia.com.)

38. "Damage to Yugoslav Environment is Immense, Says a UN Report," Bob
Djurdjevic, 7-4-99, truthinmedia.org. This report was submitted to the
UN Security Council on June 9, 1999; also, "New Depleted Uranium Study
Shows Clear Damage," BBC News,8-28-99; also "NATO Issued Warning About
Toxic Ammo," Associated Press, 01-08-01.

39. CounterPunch.org, 12-28-01.

40. "Hundreds Died of Cancer After DU Bombing--Doctor," Reuters,
1-13-01.

41."Depleted Uranium Threatens Balkan Cancer Epidemic," BBC News,
7-30-99.

42. "Many Defense Sites Still Hazardous," Associated Press, 9-24-02;
also Old US Weapons Called Hidden Danger, Los Angeles Times, 11-25-02.

43. "Pentagon Seeks Freedom to Pollute Land, Air and Sea," Andrew
Gumbel in L.A., 3-13-03, Independent Digital (UK) Ltd.

44. "Radioactive DU Ammo Is Tested in Fish Areas," Seattle
Post-Intelligencer, 1-11-03; Letter from Rep. McDermott to Department
of the Navy: see "Navy Fired DU Rounds Into Waters Off Coast of
Washington," 1-20-03, rense.com.

45."Cancer Rates Soar From US Military Use of DU On `Enchanted
Island,'" www.telegraph.co.uk, 2-5-01; also "Navy Shells With Depleted
Uranium Fired in Puerto Rico," Fox News Online, 5-28-99.

46. "The Fallon, NV Cancer Cluster And a US Navy Bombing," Jeffrey St.
Clair, CounterPunch.org, 8-10-02.

47. "DU Shells Are Made of A Potentially Lethal Cocktail of Nuclear
Waste," Jonathon Carr-Brown, www.sunday-times.co.uk, 1-22-01.

48. "Preventative War Sets Perilous Precedent," Helen Thomas, Hearst
Newspapers, 3-20-03.

49. PIGS at the Trough, Arriana Huffington, Random House, 2003 (New
York Times best seller.); also "The Best Enemies Money Can Buy, >From
Hitler to Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden Insider Connections and
the Bush Family's Partnership With Killers of Americans;" Mike
Ruppert, From the Wilderness,10-10-01; also "Bush Sr.'s Carlyle Group
Gets Fat on War and Conflict," Jamie Doward, The Observer (UK),
3-25-03; also "Halliburton Wins Contract for Iraq Oil Firefighting,
Reuters, 3-7-03; also "Cashing In-Fortunes in Profits Await Bush
Circle After Iraq War, Andrew Gumbel, The Independent (London)
9-15-02; also "War Could Be Big Business for Halliburton," Reuters,
3-23-03.

50. "Pentagon Seeks a Nuclear Digger," Washington Post, March 10,
2003.

51. "Remember: Bush Planed Iraq War Before Taking Office," Neil
Mackay, The Sunday Herald (UK) 3-27-03; also "US Mini-Nukes Alarm
Scientists," The Guardian (UK) 4-18-01; also "US Nuclear First-Strike
Plan--It Keeps Getting Scarier, Jeffrey Steinberg, Executive
Intelligence Review, 2-24-03.

52. Wall Street Journal, 8-16-90: The CIA supported the Baath Party
and installed Hussein as Iraqi dictator in 1968.

53. "United States Dual-Use Exports to Iraq and Their Impact on the
Health of Persian Gulf War Veterans," Senate Committee on Banking,
Housing and Urban Affairs, 1992, 1994; "U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq
Buildup," Washington Post, 12-30-02.

54. "US Government, 24 US Corps Illegally Helped Iraq Build Its WMD,"
Hugh Williamson in Berlin, Financial Times, 12-19-02; "Full List of US
Weapons Suppliers To Iraq," Anu de Monterice, ***@earthlink.net,
12-19-02.

55. Huffington, op. cit.

Amy Worthington is a reporter for The Idaho Observer
***@coldreams.com
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"I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn
how to do it."
Everyman
2003-07-26 12:13:16 UTC
Permalink
A "Lunatic" that Spins/Twists the truth to stir/scare those with no actual
knowledge of the subject.
On the contrary. I have just reviewed your posts of late and this is
what I find:



In this thread we have Ralph saying of picture #1 of the 5 sequential
pictures released by the DoD:

" Due coloration/contrast of background the
fuselage blends into the background while for
the same reason the vertical stablizer is visible
as a "Blur"."

But the shape of the tail fin is clearly visible.

Also the missile plume is unmistakable trailing to the right at just
the right level below the tail fin to correspond with missile fired by
an F-16. You know that planes cannot penetrate walls like the
Pentagon, not Boeings and not F-16s -- a missile was needed to
soften the wall so that the small plane would enter without leaving
telltale debris on the grass.

In this thread we have also seen Fox news quoted on the subject of
what is in the first picture of the sequence:

<<The first photo shows a small, blurry white object
near the upper right corner — possibly the plane just
a few feet above the ground.>>

Clearly they mistook the smoke trail of the air-to-ground missile for
the plane, and missed spotting the tail fin completely.


And we have MSNBC reporting:

<< NBC?s Jim Miklaszewski explains that the sequence of five photos,
taken from a Department of Defense security camera, shows the Boeing
757 hitting the ground
an instant before it plows into the building and explodes in a
deadly fireball. >>

Clearly the smoke of the missile was misinterpreted by many as the
plane hitting the ground and raising smoke. But we know that the
planes trajectory was level and we know that the grass at this
location was unharmed.

In this thread we have someone remark:

<<Now explain to me the eyewitnesses who saw the plane and jumped from
ttheir cars as it took down lightpoles. >>

But the fact is that none of the witnesses saw the Boeing take down
the poles -- in every case a deduction is made after the fact, based
on their assumption that the Boeing did it -- but I have talked to
witnesses who prove that the Boeing was nowhere near the poles, that
the Boeing came over the Annex, they it flew by Lagasse from west to
east to the north of him, when the poles were slightly south of him
from his postion at the Gulf gas station.

BUT WHAT BRINGS ME HERE IS TO TELL YOU ALL ONCE AND FOR ALL

The American Society of Civil Engineers Pentagon Building Performance
Report backs up small-plane finding --- DISPROVES A BOEING CRASH
Well, the whole thing is painstakingly documented in the ASCE report.
Of course, the retards don't want to read it, since it instantly
debunks every single one of their rants.
Except that the ASCE does nothing of the kind. In fact, as I show you
below, the ASCE report supports the small-plane thesis and discredits
the official ( frameup/coverup) story.

Let's look at it together:

The American Society of Civil Engineers in their Pentagon Building
Performance Report which reports the different levels of damage done
to the pillars in the first story of the crash region presents
information that supports the photo evidence showing that NO STARBOARD
WING ENGINE OF A BOEING 575 ENTERED THE PENTAGON.

As you read the report and examin the diagrams and simulations keep
this color code of levels of damage to columns in mind (note:
"Spalling" means that chips have been knocked off the pillar.)

Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment

Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise without
remaining function

Blue squares: Impacted with large deformation and significant
impairment of function

Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment of
function

Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant impairment
of function.

https://www.asce.org/pdf/illustrations.pdf

(Be sure to use the zoom feature of your Adobe Acrobat etc. to read
the legends of these diagrams)

Let us examin this graphical summary of the engineers' findings.

Illustration A -- A cut-away simulation showing the arrangement of
pillars , numbered 1 through 34 across the outer wall and rows AA
(outer wall), A, B, C ... through O (15 rows) on the first floor as
you go back 220 ft. to the wall of the C-ring exit hole which is
between pillars 5-0 and 7-0 (there being only odd number pillars
behind the first row on the outer wall, i.e., twice as many)

The nose of the killer jet hit pillar 14-AA on the outer wall. The
distance from pillar 14-AA in the outer wall (E-ring) to exit hole
between columns 5-O and 7-0 in the C-ring wall is 310 feet.

But what do the engineers tell us about the damage to the Pentagon?

All the investigators did was enter the crash site for one day of
observations AFTER THE BUILDING HAD COLLAPSED OVER THE ORIGINAL CRASH
HOLE, examining each of the pillars and checking off its condition
according to this checklist:

Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment

Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise without
remaining function

Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment of
function

Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant impairment
of function.

The fact is that whereas the small-plane explaination is supported by
photos of the outer wall crash hole, pre-collapse, as having interior
wall still standing to the right of the hole where the fuselage
entered, the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance report DOES IN FACT
SUPPORT THE SMALL-PLANE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE BY INDICATING THAT THE
PILLARS TO THE RIGHT OF THE NOSE-ENTRY WERE STILL STANDING. They are
shown leaning out, indicating that they were not knocked down --
(they are drawn in the diagram as leaning, indicating that they were
"disconnected or broken" but not missing or knocked down (missing
pillars are marked by a red spot, knocked down pillars are shown
lying on their sides in the diagram).


And as for the damage alone the 310 feet from AA 14 to the missing
columns (red spots) are extremely close to the center line of the
path. MOST NOTABLE IS THE FACT THAT DOUBLE COLUMN 11-D WHICH IS AN
INTERIOR COLUMN HOLDING UP THE INTERIOR BACK WALL OF E-RING JUST TO
THE RIGHT OF WHERE THE FUSELAGE PASSED (ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER'S
DOTTED LINE FROM AA-14 TO THE HOLE IN C-RING) That column is not
knocked down or missing, but only is deformed with significant
impairment of function. And on the starboard side of the fuselage no
more pillars are knocked down, whereas in the path of the fuselage and
to the port side from center there are seven more red-marked pillars
that are damaged (missing, broken, disconnected). (See Illustration
B)


But this is totally consistent with the fact that the engine popped
out between pillars 5-O and 7-O -- it is totally consistent with the
fact that the killer jet was a single-engine, engine-in-fuselage
aircraft.

So we see that on the starboard side -- where we have -p[hotos of the
interior walls still standing before the collapse -- indicating that
there was no starboard wing engine -- we now also can point to the
structural report of the American Society of Civil Engineers, who show
that the exterior pillars were not downed to the right of the hole
made by the fuselage -- and that the engineers could make no
determination of which of the second and third rows of pillars (rows
A and B after the exterior row AA) were damaged or not, because of the
subsequent collapse that destroyed this evidence. BUT THE EVIDENCE
THE ENGINEERS WERE ABLE TO PRESENT IS ENTIRELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SMALL
PLANE THESIS, AND INCONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICIAL STORY THAT AN
AIRLINER WITH A MASSIVE STARBOARD WING ENGINE ENDERED THE BUILDING --
IT WAS DEFINITELY A SINGLE ENGINE PLANE AS ALL THE OTHER HARD
EVIDENCE IS ALSO INDICATING.


And here is other relevant information:


What BB does not want you to learn is that 9-11 was a mass-murder
frameup and that the evidence showing that an F-16 that fired a
missile into the target ahead of its own crash and that the Boeing 757
at the same moment overflew the Pentagon banked right over the 14th
street bridge on the Potomac and landed at Reagan National only one
mile from the crash. The flash and subsequent smoke and fire aided
the Boeing in moving away without detection. And before the noise of
the crash could reach the Washington monumnet, the Boeing was closer
to Reagan National than to the attack scene. At this time all planes
were being called down. The Boeing merely hit the tarmac and taxied
to a hanger where, doubtless, in the following weeks while the airport
was shut down, the plane met the same fate as BMWs that are stolen by
international car theives.

The Fi16 approached at such terrific speed (some heard a sonic boom
before the crash) and so low (ground hugging aircraft are very
difficult to see against a busy background of buildings -- the killer
jet may have been dark so it would resemble the shadow of an aircraft
from the sky. At any rate, all eyes were on the Boeing as it flew
over the Naval Annex, so that people missed the smaller jet in its
stealth approach from the southwest.

All of the above, with all of the details that I have left out, may be
found at the following sites:

Dick Eastman 30 evidence articles (photos, diagrams, ATC reports,
witness accounts etc.)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/messages

ANd here is another statement of the same thesis:

Eastman-APFN:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm


Other investigators fill in other aspects of this mass-murder by
Administration neo-con zionists in the Defense Department


http://www.freedomfiles.org/war (Neils Groenveld et al.)
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/ (Ian Henshaw et al.)

http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/
http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm (Frank Levin)
http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html

http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html
http://www.911timeline.net/
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html

http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com

http://www.antiwar.com
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/

http://digipressetmp4.teaser.fr/site/dossier.php?dosnum=60
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htmhttp://www.
http://asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htm

http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/4578.php
http://hamilton.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1786&group=webcast
http://buffalo.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=3265

========================
Are you sure that Sgt Lagasse is able to make the difference beetween
"port" and "starboard". As I teach sailing, I can tell you lot of people
get confused with that... And Lagasse doesn't work in the navy :)
Other question : Lagasse says he was fueling his car near "barraks K".
Would it be somewhere else than Citgo gas station N 9.5 E 17.5 ? For
example N 4.1 E 9.4
He did. He called me on the phone after the interview.

He said he saw the plane from the starboard side as it passed by him.
I checked his knowlege of starboard and port and he convinced me that
he knew the difference and that he has flown aircraft.


After he saw the actual Boeing pass by him, he dived in his car and
grabbed the police radio --

But then, after looking up again, he saw the the crash of the killer
jet (he says it was still the Boeing he was seeing -- but now from
behind the plane and at an angle so that he could just see narrowly
the "port side" -- and I checked it on the map and this is exactly
what he should have seen of the killer plane as it hit goiving his
location at the gas station.

I conclude that he saw the Boeing pass him -- saw its starboard
(right) side, but then, when he looked away and looked back, he saw
the killer jet hitting exactly as we know it did hit and exactly as it
should have looked from his position at the gas station.

He also said that the plane passed him going from left to right,
indicating that he was looking at the starboard -- had he viewed the
known path of the killer jet from the gas station he would have seen
it pass from right to left and seen the port side.


He explains this by saying that the plane yawed, that it flew not
pointing straight ahead, which he ascribes to the tail rudder being
turned extremely to one side. I believe that this is his mind
attemping to reconcile the impossible transition of observed
orientation of aircraft -- seeing first the Boeing from one position,
and then the killer for a split second, at a completely different
angle.

When Lagasse phoned I took my American Automobile Association road map
out and, checking street names against his story located, with him,
the gas station as inside the curve to the north made by the columbia
pike after it passes the Annex, that he was at the gas station inside
that curve in the road, exactly where the gulf station is. The gas
stations are one and the same --
BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
2003-07-26 15:23:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Everyman
A "Lunatic" that Spins/Twists the truth to stir/scare those with no
actual knowledge of the subject.
On the contrary. I have just reviewed your posts of late and this is
In this thread we have Ralph saying of picture #1 of the 5 sequential
" Due coloration/contrast of background the
fuselage blends into the background while for
the same reason the vertical stablizer is visible
as a "Blur"."
But the shape of the tail fin is clearly visible.
Also the missile plume is unmistakable trailing to the right at just
the right level below the tail fin to correspond with missile fired by
an F-16. You know that planes cannot penetrate walls like the
Pentagon, not Boeings and not F-16s -- a missile was needed to
soften the wall so that the small plane would enter without leaving
telltale debris on the grass.
In this thread we have also seen Fox news quoted on the subject of
<<The first photo shows a small, blurry white object
near the upper right corner — possibly the plane just
a few feet above the ground.>>
Clearly they mistook the smoke trail of the air-to-ground missile for
the plane, and missed spotting the tail fin completely.
<< NBC?s Jim Miklaszewski explains that the sequence of five photos,
taken from a Department of Defense security camera, shows the Boeing
757 hitting the ground
an instant before it plows into the building and explodes in a
deadly fireball. >>
Clearly the smoke of the missile was misinterpreted by many as the
plane hitting the ground and raising smoke. But we know that the
planes trajectory was level and we know that the grass at this
location was unharmed.
<<Now explain to me the eyewitnesses who saw the plane and jumped from
ttheir cars as it took down lightpoles. >>
But the fact is that none of the witnesses saw the Boeing take down
the poles -- in every case a deduction is made after the fact, based
on their assumption that the Boeing did it -- but I have talked to
witnesses who prove that the Boeing was nowhere near the poles, that
the Boeing came over the Annex, they it flew by Lagasse from west to
east to the north of him, when the poles were slightly south of him
from his postion at the Gulf gas station.
BUT WHAT BRINGS ME HERE IS TO TELL YOU ALL ONCE AND FOR ALL
The American Society of Civil Engineers Pentagon Building Performance
Report backs up small-plane finding --- DISPROVES A BOEING CRASH
Well, the whole thing is painstakingly documented in the ASCE report.
Of course, the retards don't want to read it, since it instantly
debunks every single one of their rants.
Except that the ASCE does nothing of the kind. In fact, as I show you
below, the ASCE report supports the small-plane thesis and discredits
the official ( frameup/coverup) story.
The American Society of Civil Engineers in their Pentagon Building
Performance Report which reports the different levels of damage done
to the pillars in the first story of the crash region presents
information that supports the photo evidence showing that NO STARBOARD
WING ENGINE OF A BOEING 575 ENTERED THE PENTAGON.
As you read the report and examin the diagrams and simulations keep
"Spalling" means that chips have been knocked off the pillar.)
Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment
Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise without
remaining function
Blue squares: Impacted with large deformation and significant
impairment of function
Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment of
function
Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant impairment
of function.
https://www.asce.org/pdf/illustrations.pdf
(Be sure to use the zoom feature of your Adobe Acrobat etc. to read
the legends of these diagrams)
Let us examin this graphical summary of the engineers' findings.
Illustration A -- A cut-away simulation showing the arrangement of
pillars , numbered 1 through 34 across the outer wall and rows AA
(outer wall), A, B, C ... through O (15 rows) on the first floor as
you go back 220 ft. to the wall of the C-ring exit hole which is
between pillars 5-0 and 7-0 (there being only odd number pillars
behind the first row on the outer wall, i.e., twice as many)
The nose of the killer jet hit pillar 14-AA on the outer wall. The
distance from pillar 14-AA in the outer wall (E-ring) to exit hole
between columns 5-O and 7-0 in the C-ring wall is 310 feet.
But what do the engineers tell us about the damage to the Pentagon?
All the investigators did was enter the crash site for one day of
observations AFTER THE BUILDING HAD COLLAPSED OVER THE ORIGINAL CRASH
HOLE, examining each of the pillars and checking off its condition
Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment
Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise without
remaining function
Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment of
function
Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant impairment
of function.
The fact is that whereas the small-plane explaination is supported by
photos of the outer wall crash hole, pre-collapse, as having interior
wall still standing to the right of the hole where the fuselage
entered, the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance report DOES IN FACT
SUPPORT THE SMALL-PLANE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE BY INDICATING THAT THE
PILLARS TO THE RIGHT OF THE NOSE-ENTRY WERE STILL STANDING. They are
shown leaning out, indicating that they were not knocked down --
(they are drawn in the diagram as leaning, indicating that they were
"disconnected or broken" but not missing or knocked down (missing
pillars are marked by a red spot, knocked down pillars are shown
lying on their sides in the diagram).
And as for the damage alone the 310 feet from AA 14 to the missing
columns (red spots) are extremely close to the center line of the
path. MOST NOTABLE IS THE FACT THAT DOUBLE COLUMN 11-D WHICH IS AN
INTERIOR COLUMN HOLDING UP THE INTERIOR BACK WALL OF E-RING JUST TO
THE RIGHT OF WHERE THE FUSELAGE PASSED (ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER'S
DOTTED LINE FROM AA-14 TO THE HOLE IN C-RING) That column is not
knocked down or missing, but only is deformed with significant
impairment of function. And on the starboard side of the fuselage no
more pillars are knocked down, whereas in the path of the fuselage and
to the port side from center there are seven more red-marked pillars
that are damaged (missing, broken, disconnected). (See Illustration
B)
But this is totally consistent with the fact that the engine popped
out between pillars 5-O and 7-O -- it is totally consistent with the
fact that the killer jet was a single-engine, engine-in-fuselage
aircraft.
So we see that on the starboard side -- where we have -p[hotos of the
interior walls still standing before the collapse -- indicating that
there was no starboard wing engine -- we now also can point to the
structural report of the American Society of Civil Engineers, who show
that the exterior pillars were not downed to the right of the hole
made by the fuselage -- and that the engineers could make no
determination of which of the second and third rows of pillars (rows
A and B after the exterior row AA) were damaged or not, because of the
subsequent collapse that destroyed this evidence. BUT THE EVIDENCE
THE ENGINEERS WERE ABLE TO PRESENT IS ENTIRELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SMALL
PLANE THESIS, AND INCONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICIAL STORY THAT AN
AIRLINER WITH A MASSIVE STARBOARD WING ENGINE ENDERED THE BUILDING --
IT WAS DEFINITELY A SINGLE ENGINE PLANE AS ALL THE OTHER HARD
EVIDENCE IS ALSO INDICATING.
What BB does not want you to learn is that 9-11 was a mass-murder
frameup and that the evidence showing that an F-16 that fired a
missile into the target ahead of its own crash and that the Boeing 757
at the same moment overflew the Pentagon banked right over the 14th
street bridge on the Potomac and landed at Reagan National only one
mile from the crash. The flash and subsequent smoke and fire aided
the Boeing in moving away without detection. And before the noise of
the crash could reach the Washington monumnet, the Boeing was closer
to Reagan National than to the attack scene. At this time all planes
were being called down. The Boeing merely hit the tarmac and taxied
to a hanger where, doubtless, in the following weeks while the airport
was shut down, the plane met the same fate as BMWs that are stolen by
international car theives.
The Fi16 approached at such terrific speed (some heard a sonic boom
before the crash) and so low (ground hugging aircraft are very
difficult to see against a busy background of buildings -- the killer
jet may have been dark so it would resemble the shadow of an aircraft
from the sky. At any rate, all eyes were on the Boeing as it flew
over the Naval Annex, so that people missed the smaller jet in its
stealth approach from the southwest.
All of the above, with all of the details that I have left out, may be
Dick Eastman 30 evidence articles (photos, diagrams, ATC reports,
witness accounts etc.)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/me
ssages
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm
Other investigators fill in other aspects of this mass-murder by
Administration neo-con zionists in the Defense Department
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war (Neils Groenveld et al.)
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/ (Ian Henshaw et al.)
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/
http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm (Frank Levin)
http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html
http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html
http://www.911timeline.net/
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html
http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com
http://www.antiwar.com
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/
http://digipressetmp4.teaser.fr/site/dossier.php?dosnum=60
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htmhttp:/
/www. http://asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htm
http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/4578.php
http://hamilton.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1786&group=webcast
http://buffalo.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=3265
========================
Are you sure that Sgt Lagasse is able to make the difference beetween
"port" and "starboard". As I teach sailing, I can tell you lot of
people get confused with that... And Lagasse doesn't work in the navy
:)
Other question : Lagasse says he was fueling his car near "barraks
K". Would it be somewhere else than Citgo gas station N 9.5 E 17.5 ?
For example N 4.1 E 9.4
He did. He called me on the phone after the interview.
He said he saw the plane from the starboard side as it passed by him.
I checked his knowlege of starboard and port and he convinced me that
he knew the difference and that he has flown aircraft.
After he saw the actual Boeing pass by him, he dived in his car and
grabbed the police radio --
But then, after looking up again, he saw the the crash of the killer
jet (he says it was still the Boeing he was seeing -- but now from
behind the plane and at an angle so that he could just see narrowly
the "port side" -- and I checked it on the map and this is exactly
what he should have seen of the killer plane as it hit goiving his
location at the gas station.
I conclude that he saw the Boeing pass him -- saw its starboard
(right) side, but then, when he looked away and looked back, he saw
the killer jet hitting exactly as we know it did hit and exactly as it
should have looked from his position at the gas station.
He also said that the plane passed him going from left to right,
indicating that he was looking at the starboard -- had he viewed the
known path of the killer jet from the gas station he would have seen
it pass from right to left and seen the port side.
He explains this by saying that the plane yawed, that it flew not
pointing straight ahead, which he ascribes to the tail rudder being
turned extremely to one side. I believe that this is his mind
attemping to reconcile the impossible transition of observed
orientation of aircraft -- seeing first the Boeing from one position,
and then the killer for a split second, at a completely different
angle.
When Lagasse phoned I took my American Automobile Association road map
out and, checking street names against his story located, with him,
the gas station as inside the curve to the north made by the columbia
pike after it passes the Annex, that he was at the gas station inside
that curve in the road, exactly where the gulf station is. The gas
stations are one and the same --
Great work, Mr. Eastman.
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
Ralph Nesbitt
2003-07-26 16:01:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
Post by Everyman
A "Lunatic" that Spins/Twists the truth to stir/scare those with no
actual knowledge of the subject.
On the contrary. I have just reviewed your posts of late and this is
In this thread we have Ralph saying of picture #1 of the 5 sequential
" Due coloration/contrast of background the
fuselage blends into the background while for
the same reason the vertical stablizer is visible
as a "Blur"."
But the shape of the tail fin is clearly visible.
Also the missile plume is unmistakable trailing to the right at just
the right level below the tail fin to correspond with missile fired by
an F-16. You know that planes cannot penetrate walls like the
Pentagon, not Boeings and not F-16s -- a missile was needed to
soften the wall so that the small plane would enter without leaving
telltale debris on the grass.
In this thread we have also seen Fox news quoted on the subject of
<<The first photo shows a small, blurry white object
near the upper right corner — possibly the plane just
a few feet above the ground.>>
Clearly they mistook the smoke trail of the air-to-ground missile for
the plane, and missed spotting the tail fin completely.
<< NBC?s Jim Miklaszewski explains that the sequence of five photos,
taken from a Department of Defense security camera, shows the Boeing
757 hitting the ground
an instant before it plows into the building and explodes in a
deadly fireball. >>
Clearly the smoke of the missile was misinterpreted by many as the
plane hitting the ground and raising smoke. But we know that the
planes trajectory was level and we know that the grass at this
location was unharmed.
<<Now explain to me the eyewitnesses who saw the plane and jumped from
ttheir cars as it took down lightpoles. >>
But the fact is that none of the witnesses saw the Boeing take down
the poles -- in every case a deduction is made after the fact, based
on their assumption that the Boeing did it -- but I have talked to
witnesses who prove that the Boeing was nowhere near the poles, that
the Boeing came over the Annex, they it flew by Lagasse from west to
east to the north of him, when the poles were slightly south of him
from his postion at the Gulf gas station.
BUT WHAT BRINGS ME HERE IS TO TELL YOU ALL ONCE AND FOR ALL
The American Society of Civil Engineers Pentagon Building Performance
Report backs up small-plane finding --- DISPROVES A BOEING CRASH
Well, the whole thing is painstakingly documented in the ASCE report.
Of course, the retards don't want to read it, since it instantly
debunks every single one of their rants.
Except that the ASCE does nothing of the kind. In fact, as I show you
below, the ASCE report supports the small-plane thesis and discredits
the official ( frameup/coverup) story.
The American Society of Civil Engineers in their Pentagon Building
Performance Report which reports the different levels of damage done
to the pillars in the first story of the crash region presents
information that supports the photo evidence showing that NO STARBOARD
WING ENGINE OF A BOEING 575 ENTERED THE PENTAGON.
As you read the report and examin the diagrams and simulations keep
"Spalling" means that chips have been knocked off the pillar.)
Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment
Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise without
remaining function
Blue squares: Impacted with large deformation and significant
impairment of function
Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment of
function
Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant impairment
of function.
https://www.asce.org/pdf/illustrations.pdf
(Be sure to use the zoom feature of your Adobe Acrobat etc. to read
the legends of these diagrams)
Let us examin this graphical summary of the engineers' findings.
Illustration A -- A cut-away simulation showing the arrangement of
pillars , numbered 1 through 34 across the outer wall and rows AA
(outer wall), A, B, C ... through O (15 rows) on the first floor as
you go back 220 ft. to the wall of the C-ring exit hole which is
between pillars 5-0 and 7-0 (there being only odd number pillars
behind the first row on the outer wall, i.e., twice as many)
The nose of the killer jet hit pillar 14-AA on the outer wall. The
distance from pillar 14-AA in the outer wall (E-ring) to exit hole
between columns 5-O and 7-0 in the C-ring wall is 310 feet.
But what do the engineers tell us about the damage to the Pentagon?
All the investigators did was enter the crash site for one day of
observations AFTER THE BUILDING HAD COLLAPSED OVER THE ORIGINAL CRASH
HOLE, examining each of the pillars and checking off its condition
Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment
Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise without
remaining function
Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment of
function
Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant impairment
of function.
The fact is that whereas the small-plane explaination is supported by
photos of the outer wall crash hole, pre-collapse, as having interior
wall still standing to the right of the hole where the fuselage
entered, the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance report DOES IN FACT
SUPPORT THE SMALL-PLANE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE BY INDICATING THAT THE
PILLARS TO THE RIGHT OF THE NOSE-ENTRY WERE STILL STANDING. They are
shown leaning out, indicating that they were not knocked down --
(they are drawn in the diagram as leaning, indicating that they were
"disconnected or broken" but not missing or knocked down (missing
pillars are marked by a red spot, knocked down pillars are shown
lying on their sides in the diagram).
And as for the damage alone the 310 feet from AA 14 to the missing
columns (red spots) are extremely close to the center line of the
path. MOST NOTABLE IS THE FACT THAT DOUBLE COLUMN 11-D WHICH IS AN
INTERIOR COLUMN HOLDING UP THE INTERIOR BACK WALL OF E-RING JUST TO
THE RIGHT OF WHERE THE FUSELAGE PASSED (ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER'S
DOTTED LINE FROM AA-14 TO THE HOLE IN C-RING) That column is not
knocked down or missing, but only is deformed with significant
impairment of function. And on the starboard side of the fuselage no
more pillars are knocked down, whereas in the path of the fuselage and
to the port side from center there are seven more red-marked pillars
that are damaged (missing, broken, disconnected). (See Illustration
B)
But this is totally consistent with the fact that the engine popped
out between pillars 5-O and 7-O -- it is totally consistent with the
fact that the killer jet was a single-engine, engine-in-fuselage
aircraft.
So we see that on the starboard side -- where we have -p[hotos of the
interior walls still standing before the collapse -- indicating that
there was no starboard wing engine -- we now also can point to the
structural report of the American Society of Civil Engineers, who show
that the exterior pillars were not downed to the right of the hole
made by the fuselage -- and that the engineers could make no
determination of which of the second and third rows of pillars (rows
A and B after the exterior row AA) were damaged or not, because of the
subsequent collapse that destroyed this evidence. BUT THE EVIDENCE
THE ENGINEERS WERE ABLE TO PRESENT IS ENTIRELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SMALL
PLANE THESIS, AND INCONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICIAL STORY THAT AN
AIRLINER WITH A MASSIVE STARBOARD WING ENGINE ENDERED THE BUILDING --
IT WAS DEFINITELY A SINGLE ENGINE PLANE AS ALL THE OTHER HARD
EVIDENCE IS ALSO INDICATING.
What BB does not want you to learn is that 9-11 was a mass-murder
frameup and that the evidence showing that an F-16 that fired a
missile into the target ahead of its own crash and that the Boeing 757
at the same moment overflew the Pentagon banked right over the 14th
street bridge on the Potomac and landed at Reagan National only one
mile from the crash. The flash and subsequent smoke and fire aided
the Boeing in moving away without detection. And before the noise of
the crash could reach the Washington monumnet, the Boeing was closer
to Reagan National than to the attack scene. At this time all planes
were being called down. The Boeing merely hit the tarmac and taxied
to a hanger where, doubtless, in the following weeks while the airport
was shut down, the plane met the same fate as BMWs that are stolen by
international car theives.
The Fi16 approached at such terrific speed (some heard a sonic boom
before the crash) and so low (ground hugging aircraft are very
difficult to see against a busy background of buildings -- the killer
jet may have been dark so it would resemble the shadow of an aircraft
from the sky. At any rate, all eyes were on the Boeing as it flew
over the Naval Annex, so that people missed the smaller jet in its
stealth approach from the southwest.
All of the above, with all of the details that I have left out, may be
Dick Eastman 30 evidence articles (photos, diagrams, ATC reports,
witness accounts etc.)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/me
ssages
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm
Other investigators fill in other aspects of this mass-murder by
Administration neo-con zionists in the Defense Department
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war (Neils Groenveld et al.)
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/ (Ian Henshaw et al.)
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/
http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm (Frank Levin)
http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html
http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html
http://www.911timeline.net/
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html
http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com
http://www.antiwar.com
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/
http://digipressetmp4.teaser.fr/site/dossier.php?dosnum=60
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htmhttp:/
/www. http://asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htm
http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/4578.php
http://hamilton.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1786&group=webcast
http://buffalo.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=3265
========================
Are you sure that Sgt Lagasse is able to make the difference beetween
"port" and "starboard". As I teach sailing, I can tell you lot of
people get confused with that... And Lagasse doesn't work in the navy
:)
Other question : Lagasse says he was fueling his car near "barraks
K". Would it be somewhere else than Citgo gas station N 9.5 E 17.5 ?
For example N 4.1 E 9.4
He did. He called me on the phone after the interview.
He said he saw the plane from the starboard side as it passed by him.
I checked his knowlege of starboard and port and he convinced me that
he knew the difference and that he has flown aircraft.
After he saw the actual Boeing pass by him, he dived in his car and
grabbed the police radio --
But then, after looking up again, he saw the the crash of the killer
jet (he says it was still the Boeing he was seeing -- but now from
behind the plane and at an angle so that he could just see narrowly
the "port side" -- and I checked it on the map and this is exactly
what he should have seen of the killer plane as it hit goiving his
location at the gas station.
I conclude that he saw the Boeing pass him -- saw its starboard
(right) side, but then, when he looked away and looked back, he saw
the killer jet hitting exactly as we know it did hit and exactly as it
should have looked from his position at the gas station.
He also said that the plane passed him going from left to right,
indicating that he was looking at the starboard -- had he viewed the
known path of the killer jet from the gas station he would have seen
it pass from right to left and seen the port side.
He explains this by saying that the plane yawed, that it flew not
pointing straight ahead, which he ascribes to the tail rudder being
turned extremely to one side. I believe that this is his mind
attemping to reconcile the impossible transition of observed
orientation of aircraft -- seeing first the Boeing from one position,
and then the killer for a split second, at a completely different
angle.
When Lagasse phoned I took my American Automobile Association road map
out and, checking street names against his story located, with him,
the gas station as inside the curve to the north made by the columbia
pike after it passes the Annex, that he was at the gas station inside
that curve in the road, exactly where the gulf station is. The gas
stations are one and the same --
Great work, Mr. Eastman.
Check my response to the above referenced post by the "High Probability of
Less Than Truthful"/Preposterous B/S Artist Eastman. Perhaps then you may
choose to reconsider your conclusion/opinion/evaluation "Regarding the
quality" of "Eastman's Work".
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
2003-07-26 16:13:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
Post by Everyman
A "Lunatic" that Spins/Twists the truth to stir/scare those with
no actual knowledge of the subject.
On the contrary. I have just reviewed your posts of late and this
In this thread we have Ralph saying of picture #1 of the 5
" Due coloration/contrast of background the
fuselage blends into the background while for
the same reason the vertical stablizer is visible
as a "Blur"."
But the shape of the tail fin is clearly visible.
Also the missile plume is unmistakable trailing to the right at
just the right level below the tail fin to correspond with missile
fired by an F-16. You know that planes cannot penetrate walls like
the Pentagon, not Boeings and not F-16s -- a missile was needed
to soften the wall so that the small plane would enter without
leaving telltale debris on the grass.
In this thread we have also seen Fox news quoted on the subject of
<<The first photo shows a small, blurry white object
near the upper right corner — possibly the plane just
a few feet above the ground.>>
Clearly they mistook the smoke trail of the air-to-ground missile
for the plane, and missed spotting the tail fin completely.
<< NBC?s Jim Miklaszewski explains that the sequence of five
photos, taken from a Department of Defense security camera, shows
the Boeing 757 hitting the ground
an instant before it plows into the building and explodes in a
deadly fireball. >>
Clearly the smoke of the missile was misinterpreted by many as the
plane hitting the ground and raising smoke. But we know that the
planes trajectory was level and we know that the grass at this
location was unharmed.
<<Now explain to me the eyewitnesses who saw the plane and jumped
from ttheir cars as it took down lightpoles. >>
But the fact is that none of the witnesses saw the Boeing take down
the poles -- in every case a deduction is made after the fact,
based on their assumption that the Boeing did it -- but I have
talked to witnesses who prove that the Boeing was nowhere near the
poles, that the Boeing came over the Annex, they it flew by Lagasse
from west to east to the north of him, when the poles were
slightly south of him from his postion at the Gulf gas station.
BUT WHAT BRINGS ME HERE IS TO TELL YOU ALL ONCE AND FOR ALL
The American Society of Civil Engineers Pentagon Building
Performance Report backs up small-plane finding --- DISPROVES A
BOEING CRASH
Well, the whole thing is painstakingly documented in the ASCE
report. Of course, the retards don't want to read it, since it
instantly debunks every single one of their rants.
Except that the ASCE does nothing of the kind. In fact, as I show
you below, the ASCE report supports the small-plane thesis and
discredits the official ( frameup/coverup) story.
The American Society of Civil Engineers in their Pentagon Building
Performance Report which reports the different levels of damage
done to the pillars in the first story of the crash region presents
information that supports the photo evidence showing that NO
STARBOARD WING ENGINE OF A BOEING 575 ENTERED THE PENTAGON.
As you read the report and examin the diagrams and simulations keep
"Spalling" means that chips have been knocked off the pillar.)
Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment
Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise without
remaining function
Blue squares: Impacted with large deformation and significant
impairment of function
Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment of
function
Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant
impairment of function.
https://www.asce.org/pdf/illustrations.pdf
(Be sure to use the zoom feature of your Adobe Acrobat etc. to
read the legends of these diagrams)
Let us examin this graphical summary of the engineers' findings.
Illustration A -- A cut-away simulation showing the arrangement
of pillars , numbered 1 through 34 across the outer wall and rows
AA (outer wall), A, B, C ... through O (15 rows) on the first
floor as you go back 220 ft. to the wall of the C-ring exit hole
which is between pillars 5-0 and 7-0 (there being only odd number
pillars behind the first row on the outer wall, i.e., twice as
many)
The nose of the killer jet hit pillar 14-AA on the outer wall.
The distance from pillar 14-AA in the outer wall (E-ring) to exit
hole between columns 5-O and 7-0 in the C-ring wall is 310 feet.
But what do the engineers tell us about the damage to the Pentagon?
All the investigators did was enter the crash site for one day of
observations AFTER THE BUILDING HAD COLLAPSED OVER THE ORIGINAL
CRASH HOLE, examining each of the pillars and checking off its
Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment
Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise without
remaining function
Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment of
function
Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant
impairment of function.
The fact is that whereas the small-plane explaination is supported
by photos of the outer wall crash hole, pre-collapse, as having
interior wall still standing to the right of the hole where the
fuselage entered, the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance report
DOES IN FACT SUPPORT THE SMALL-PLANE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE BY
INDICATING THAT THE PILLARS TO THE RIGHT OF THE NOSE-ENTRY WERE
STILL STANDING. They are shown leaning out, indicating that they
were not knocked down -- (they are drawn in the diagram as
leaning, indicating that they were "disconnected or broken" but not
missing or knocked down (missing pillars are marked by a red spot,
knocked down pillars are shown lying on their sides in the
diagram).
And as for the damage alone the 310 feet from AA 14 to the missing
columns (red spots) are extremely close to the center line of the
path. MOST NOTABLE IS THE FACT THAT DOUBLE COLUMN 11-D WHICH IS
AN INTERIOR COLUMN HOLDING UP THE INTERIOR BACK WALL OF E-RING
JUST TO THE RIGHT OF WHERE THE FUSELAGE PASSED (ACCORDING TO THE
ENGINEER'S DOTTED LINE FROM AA-14 TO THE HOLE IN C-RING) That
column is not knocked down or missing, but only is deformed with
significant impairment of function. And on the starboard side of
the fuselage no more pillars are knocked down, whereas in the path
of the fuselage and to the port side from center there are seven
more red-marked pillars that are damaged (missing, broken,
disconnected). (See Illustration B)
But this is totally consistent with the fact that the engine popped
out between pillars 5-O and 7-O -- it is totally consistent with
the fact that the killer jet was a single-engine,
engine-in-fuselage aircraft.
So we see that on the starboard side -- where we have -p[hotos of
the interior walls still standing before the collapse --
indicating that there was no starboard wing engine -- we now also
can point to the structural report of the American Society of Civil
Engineers, who show that the exterior pillars were not downed to
the right of the hole made by the fuselage -- and that the
engineers could make no determination of which of the second and
third rows of pillars (rows A and B after the exterior row AA)
were damaged or not, because of the subsequent collapse that
destroyed this evidence. BUT THE EVIDENCE THE ENGINEERS WERE ABLE
TO PRESENT IS ENTIRELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SMALL PLANE THESIS, AND
INCONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICIAL STORY THAT AN AIRLINER WITH A
MASSIVE STARBOARD WING ENGINE ENDERED THE BUILDING --
IT WAS DEFINITELY A SINGLE ENGINE PLANE AS ALL THE OTHER HARD
EVIDENCE IS ALSO INDICATING.
What BB does not want you to learn is that 9-11 was a mass-murder
frameup and that the evidence showing that an F-16 that fired a
missile into the target ahead of its own crash and that the Boeing
757 at the same moment overflew the Pentagon banked right over the
14th street bridge on the Potomac and landed at Reagan National
only one mile from the crash. The flash and subsequent smoke and
fire aided the Boeing in moving away without detection. And before
the noise of the crash could reach the Washington monumnet, the
Boeing was closer to Reagan National than to the attack scene. At
this time all planes were being called down. The Boeing merely hit
the tarmac and taxied to a hanger where, doubtless, in the
following weeks while the airport was shut down, the plane met the
same fate as BMWs that are stolen by international car theives.
The Fi16 approached at such terrific speed (some heard a sonic boom
before the crash) and so low (ground hugging aircraft are very
difficult to see against a busy background of buildings -- the
killer jet may have been dark so it would resemble the shadow of an
aircraft from the sky. At any rate, all eyes were on the Boeing as
it flew over the Naval Annex, so that people missed the smaller jet
in its stealth approach from the southwest.
All of the above, with all of the details that I have left out, may
Dick Eastman 30 evidence articles (photos, diagrams, ATC
reports, witness accounts etc.)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup
/me ssages
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm
Other investigators fill in other aspects of this mass-murder by
Administration neo-con zionists in the Defense Department
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war (Neils Groenveld et al.)
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/ (Ian Henshaw et al.)
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/
http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm (Frank Levin)
http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html
http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html
http://www.911timeline.net/
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html
http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com
http://www.antiwar.com
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/
http://digipressetmp4.teaser.fr/site/dossier.php?dosnum=60
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htmhtt
p:/ /www.
http://asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htm
http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/4578.php
http://hamilton.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1786&group=webca
st http://buffalo.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=3265
========================
Are you sure that Sgt Lagasse is able to make the difference
beetween "port" and "starboard". As I teach sailing, I can tell
you lot of people get confused with that... And Lagasse doesn't
work in the navy
:)
Other question : Lagasse says he was fueling his car near "barraks
K". Would it be somewhere else than Citgo gas station N 9.5 E 17.5
? For example N 4.1 E 9.4
He did. He called me on the phone after the interview.
He said he saw the plane from the starboard side as it passed by
him. I checked his knowlege of starboard and port and he convinced
me that he knew the difference and that he has flown aircraft.
After he saw the actual Boeing pass by him, he dived in his car and
grabbed the police radio --
But then, after looking up again, he saw the the crash of the
killer jet (he says it was still the Boeing he was seeing -- but
now from behind the plane and at an angle so that he could just see
narrowly the "port side" -- and I checked it on the map and
this is exactly what he should have seen of the killer plane as it
hit goiving his location at the gas station.
I conclude that he saw the Boeing pass him -- saw its starboard
(right) side, but then, when he looked away and looked back, he saw
the killer jet hitting exactly as we know it did hit and exactly as
it should have looked from his position at the gas station.
He also said that the plane passed him going from left to right,
indicating that he was looking at the starboard -- had he viewed
the known path of the killer jet from the gas station he would
have seen it pass from right to left and seen the port side.
He explains this by saying that the plane yawed, that it flew not
pointing straight ahead, which he ascribes to the tail rudder being
turned extremely to one side. I believe that this is his mind
attemping to reconcile the impossible transition of observed
orientation of aircraft -- seeing first the Boeing from one
position, and then the killer for a split second, at a completely
different angle.
When Lagasse phoned I took my American Automobile Association road
map out and, checking street names against his story located, with
him, the gas station as inside the curve to the north made by the
columbia pike after it passes the Annex, that he was at the gas
station inside that curve in the road, exactly where the gulf
station is. The gas stations are one and the same --
Great work, Mr. Eastman.
Check my response to the above referenced post by the "High
Probability of Less Than Truthful"/Preposterous B/S Artist Eastman.
Perhaps then you may choose to reconsider your
conclusion/opinion/evaluation "Regarding the quality" of "Eastman's
Work". Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Do ad hominem attacks ever work, Ralphie? Among thinking people, I mean?
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
Hit1Hard
2003-07-26 20:00:14 UTC
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Ralph Nesbitt
2003-07-26 17:36:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
Post by Everyman
A "Lunatic" that Spins/Twists the truth to stir/scare those with
no actual knowledge of the subject.
On the contrary. I have just reviewed your posts of late and this
In this thread we have Ralph saying of picture #1 of the 5
" Due coloration/contrast of background the
fuselage blends into the background while for
the same reason the vertical stablizer is visible
as a "Blur"."
But the shape of the tail fin is clearly visible.
Also the missile plume is unmistakable trailing to the right at
just the right level below the tail fin to correspond with missile
fired by an F-16. You know that planes cannot penetrate walls like
the Pentagon, not Boeings and not F-16s -- a missile was needed
to soften the wall so that the small plane would enter without
leaving telltale debris on the grass.
In this thread we have also seen Fox news quoted on the subject of
<<The first photo shows a small, blurry white object
near the upper right corner — possibly the plane just
a few feet above the ground.>>
Clearly they mistook the smoke trail of the air-to-ground missile
for the plane, and missed spotting the tail fin completely.
<< NBC?s Jim Miklaszewski explains that the sequence of five
photos, taken from a Department of Defense security camera, shows
the Boeing 757 hitting the ground
an instant before it plows into the building and explodes in a
deadly fireball. >>
Clearly the smoke of the missile was misinterpreted by many as the
plane hitting the ground and raising smoke. But we know that the
planes trajectory was level and we know that the grass at this
location was unharmed.
<<Now explain to me the eyewitnesses who saw the plane and jumped
from ttheir cars as it took down lightpoles. >>
But the fact is that none of the witnesses saw the Boeing take down
the poles -- in every case a deduction is made after the fact,
based on their assumption that the Boeing did it -- but I have
talked to witnesses who prove that the Boeing was nowhere near the
poles, that the Boeing came over the Annex, they it flew by Lagasse
from west to east to the north of him, when the poles were
slightly south of him from his postion at the Gulf gas station.
BUT WHAT BRINGS ME HERE IS TO TELL YOU ALL ONCE AND FOR ALL
The American Society of Civil Engineers Pentagon Building
Performance Report backs up small-plane finding --- DISPROVES A
BOEING CRASH
Well, the whole thing is painstakingly documented in the ASCE
report. Of course, the retards don't want to read it, since it
instantly debunks every single one of their rants.
Except that the ASCE does nothing of the kind. In fact, as I show
you below, the ASCE report supports the small-plane thesis and
discredits the official ( frameup/coverup) story.
The American Society of Civil Engineers in their Pentagon Building
Performance Report which reports the different levels of damage
done to the pillars in the first story of the crash region presents
information that supports the photo evidence showing that NO
STARBOARD WING ENGINE OF A BOEING 575 ENTERED THE PENTAGON.
As you read the report and examin the diagrams and simulations keep
"Spalling" means that chips have been knocked off the pillar.)
Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment
Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise without
remaining function
Blue squares: Impacted with large deformation and significant
impairment of function
Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment of
function
Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant
impairment of function.
https://www.asce.org/pdf/illustrations.pdf
(Be sure to use the zoom feature of your Adobe Acrobat etc. to
read the legends of these diagrams)
Let us examin this graphical summary of the engineers' findings.
Illustration A -- A cut-away simulation showing the arrangement
of pillars , numbered 1 through 34 across the outer wall and rows
AA (outer wall), A, B, C ... through O (15 rows) on the first
floor as you go back 220 ft. to the wall of the C-ring exit hole
which is between pillars 5-0 and 7-0 (there being only odd number
pillars behind the first row on the outer wall, i.e., twice as
many)
The nose of the killer jet hit pillar 14-AA on the outer wall.
The distance from pillar 14-AA in the outer wall (E-ring) to exit
hole between columns 5-O and 7-0 in the C-ring wall is 310 feet.
But what do the engineers tell us about the damage to the Pentagon?
All the investigators did was enter the crash site for one day of
observations AFTER THE BUILDING HAD COLLAPSED OVER THE ORIGINAL
CRASH HOLE, examining each of the pillars and checking off its
Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment
Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise without
remaining function
Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment of
function
Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant
impairment of function.
The fact is that whereas the small-plane explaination is supported
by photos of the outer wall crash hole, pre-collapse, as having
interior wall still standing to the right of the hole where the
fuselage entered, the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance report
DOES IN FACT SUPPORT THE SMALL-PLANE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE BY
INDICATING THAT THE PILLARS TO THE RIGHT OF THE NOSE-ENTRY WERE
STILL STANDING. They are shown leaning out, indicating that they
were not knocked down -- (they are drawn in the diagram as
leaning, indicating that they were "disconnected or broken" but not
missing or knocked down (missing pillars are marked by a red spot,
knocked down pillars are shown lying on their sides in the
diagram).
And as for the damage alone the 310 feet from AA 14 to the missing
columns (red spots) are extremely close to the center line of the
path. MOST NOTABLE IS THE FACT THAT DOUBLE COLUMN 11-D WHICH IS
AN INTERIOR COLUMN HOLDING UP THE INTERIOR BACK WALL OF E-RING
JUST TO THE RIGHT OF WHERE THE FUSELAGE PASSED (ACCORDING TO THE
ENGINEER'S DOTTED LINE FROM AA-14 TO THE HOLE IN C-RING) That
column is not knocked down or missing, but only is deformed with
significant impairment of function. And on the starboard side of
the fuselage no more pillars are knocked down, whereas in the path
of the fuselage and to the port side from center there are seven
more red-marked pillars that are damaged (missing, broken,
disconnected). (See Illustration B)
But this is totally consistent with the fact that the engine popped
out between pillars 5-O and 7-O -- it is totally consistent with
the fact that the killer jet was a single-engine,
engine-in-fuselage aircraft.
So we see that on the starboard side -- where we have -p[hotos of
the interior walls still standing before the collapse --
indicating that there was no starboard wing engine -- we now also
can point to the structural report of the American Society of Civil
Engineers, who show that the exterior pillars were not downed to
the right of the hole made by the fuselage -- and that the
engineers could make no determination of which of the second and
third rows of pillars (rows A and B after the exterior row AA)
were damaged or not, because of the subsequent collapse that
destroyed this evidence. BUT THE EVIDENCE THE ENGINEERS WERE ABLE
TO PRESENT IS ENTIRELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SMALL PLANE THESIS, AND
INCONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICIAL STORY THAT AN AIRLINER WITH A
MASSIVE STARBOARD WING ENGINE ENDERED THE BUILDING --
IT WAS DEFINITELY A SINGLE ENGINE PLANE AS ALL THE OTHER HARD
EVIDENCE IS ALSO INDICATING.
What BB does not want you to learn is that 9-11 was a mass-murder
frameup and that the evidence showing that an F-16 that fired a
missile into the target ahead of its own crash and that the Boeing
757 at the same moment overflew the Pentagon banked right over the
14th street bridge on the Potomac and landed at Reagan National
only one mile from the crash. The flash and subsequent smoke and
fire aided the Boeing in moving away without detection. And before
the noise of the crash could reach the Washington monumnet, the
Boeing was closer to Reagan National than to the attack scene. At
this time all planes were being called down. The Boeing merely hit
the tarmac and taxied to a hanger where, doubtless, in the
following weeks while the airport was shut down, the plane met the
same fate as BMWs that are stolen by international car theives.
The Fi16 approached at such terrific speed (some heard a sonic boom
before the crash) and so low (ground hugging aircraft are very
difficult to see against a busy background of buildings -- the
killer jet may have been dark so it would resemble the shadow of an
aircraft from the sky. At any rate, all eyes were on the Boeing as
it flew over the Naval Annex, so that people missed the smaller jet
in its stealth approach from the southwest.
All of the above, with all of the details that I have left out, may
Dick Eastman 30 evidence articles (photos, diagrams, ATC
reports, witness accounts etc.)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup
/me ssages
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm
Other investigators fill in other aspects of this mass-murder by
Administration neo-con zionists in the Defense Department
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war (Neils Groenveld et al.)
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/ (Ian Henshaw et al.)
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/
http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm (Frank Levin)
http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html
http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html
http://www.911timeline.net/
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html
http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com
http://www.antiwar.com
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/
http://digipressetmp4.teaser.fr/site/dossier.php?dosnum=60
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htmhtt
p:/ /www.
http://asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htm
http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/4578.php
http://hamilton.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1786&group=webca
st http://buffalo.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=3265
========================
Are you sure that Sgt Lagasse is able to make the difference
beetween "port" and "starboard". As I teach sailing, I can tell
you lot of people get confused with that... And Lagasse doesn't
work in the navy
:)
Other question : Lagasse says he was fueling his car near "barraks
K". Would it be somewhere else than Citgo gas station N 9.5 E 17.5
? For example N 4.1 E 9.4
He did. He called me on the phone after the interview.
He said he saw the plane from the starboard side as it passed by
him. I checked his knowlege of starboard and port and he convinced
me that he knew the difference and that he has flown aircraft.
After he saw the actual Boeing pass by him, he dived in his car and
grabbed the police radio --
But then, after looking up again, he saw the the crash of the
killer jet (he says it was still the Boeing he was seeing -- but
now from behind the plane and at an angle so that he could just see
narrowly the "port side" -- and I checked it on the map and
this is exactly what he should have seen of the killer plane as it
hit goiving his location at the gas station.
I conclude that he saw the Boeing pass him -- saw its starboard
(right) side, but then, when he looked away and looked back, he saw
the killer jet hitting exactly as we know it did hit and exactly as
it should have looked from his position at the gas station.
He also said that the plane passed him going from left to right,
indicating that he was looking at the starboard -- had he viewed
the known path of the killer jet from the gas station he would
have seen it pass from right to left and seen the port side.
He explains this by saying that the plane yawed, that it flew not
pointing straight ahead, which he ascribes to the tail rudder being
turned extremely to one side. I believe that this is his mind
attemping to reconcile the impossible transition of observed
orientation of aircraft -- seeing first the Boeing from one
position, and then the killer for a split second, at a completely
different angle.
When Lagasse phoned I took my American Automobile Association road
map out and, checking street names against his story located, with
him, the gas station as inside the curve to the north made by the
columbia pike after it passes the Annex, that he was at the gas
station inside that curve in the road, exactly where the gulf
station is. The gas stations are one and the same --
Great work, Mr. Eastman.
Check my response to the above referenced post by the "High
Probability of Less Than Truthful"/Preposterous B/S Artist Eastman.
Perhaps then you may choose to reconsider your
conclusion/opinion/evaluation "Regarding the quality" of "Eastman's
Work". Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Do ad hominem attacks ever work, Ralphie? Among thinking people, I mean?
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
Check my response before you declare it "Ad Hom", if you are a "Thinking
Person"?
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
2003-07-26 22:16:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
Post by Everyman
A "Lunatic" that Spins/Twists the truth to stir/scare those
with no actual knowledge of the subject.
On the contrary. I have just reviewed your posts of late and
In this thread we have Ralph saying of picture #1 of the 5
" Due coloration/contrast of background the
fuselage blends into the background while for
the same reason the vertical stablizer is visible
as a "Blur"."
But the shape of the tail fin is clearly visible.
Also the missile plume is unmistakable trailing to the right at
just the right level below the tail fin to correspond with
missile fired by an F-16. You know that planes cannot penetrate
walls like the Pentagon, not Boeings and not F-16s -- a
missile was needed to soften the wall so that the small plane
would enter without leaving telltale debris on the grass.
In this thread we have also seen Fox news quoted on the subject
<<The first photo shows a small, blurry white object
near the upper right corner — possibly the plane just
a few feet above the ground.>>
Clearly they mistook the smoke trail of the air-to-ground
missile for the plane, and missed spotting the tail fin
completely.
<< NBC?s Jim Miklaszewski explains that the sequence of five
photos, taken from a Department of Defense security camera,
shows the Boeing 757 hitting the ground
an instant before it plows into the building and explodes in a
deadly fireball. >>
Clearly the smoke of the missile was misinterpreted by many as
the plane hitting the ground and raising smoke. But we know
that the planes trajectory was level and we know that the grass
at this location was unharmed.
<<Now explain to me the eyewitnesses who saw the plane and
jumped from ttheir cars as it took down lightpoles. >>
But the fact is that none of the witnesses saw the Boeing take
down the poles -- in every case a deduction is made after the
fact, based on their assumption that the Boeing did it -- but I
have talked to witnesses who prove that the Boeing was nowhere
near the poles, that the Boeing came over the Annex, they it
flew by Lagasse from west to east to the north of him, when the
poles were slightly south of him from his postion at the Gulf
gas station.
BUT WHAT BRINGS ME HERE IS TO TELL YOU ALL ONCE AND FOR ALL
The American Society of Civil Engineers Pentagon Building
Performance Report backs up small-plane finding --- DISPROVES
A BOEING CRASH
Well, the whole thing is painstakingly documented in the ASCE
report. Of course, the retards don't want to read it, since it
instantly debunks every single one of their rants.
Except that the ASCE does nothing of the kind. In fact, as I
show you below, the ASCE report supports the small-plane thesis
and discredits the official ( frameup/coverup) story.
The American Society of Civil Engineers in their Pentagon
Building Performance Report which reports the different levels
of damage done to the pillars in the first story of the crash
region presents information that supports the photo evidence
showing that NO STARBOARD WING ENGINE OF A BOEING 575 ENTERED
THE PENTAGON.
As you read the report and examin the diagrams and simulations
keep this color code of levels of damage to columns in mind
(note: "Spalling" means that chips have been knocked off the
pillar.)
Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment
Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise
without remaining function
Blue squares: Impacted with large deformation and significant
impairment of function
Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment
of function
Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant
impairment of function.
https://www.asce.org/pdf/illustrations.pdf
(Be sure to use the zoom feature of your Adobe Acrobat etc. to
read the legends of these diagrams)
Let us examin this graphical summary of the engineers' findings.
Illustration A -- A cut-away simulation showing the
arrangement of pillars , numbered 1 through 34 across the outer
wall and rows AA (outer wall), A, B, C ... through O (15
rows) on the first floor as you go back 220 ft. to the wall of
the C-ring exit hole which is between pillars 5-0 and 7-0
(there being only odd number pillars behind the first row on the
outer wall, i.e., twice as many)
The nose of the killer jet hit pillar 14-AA on the outer wall.
The distance from pillar 14-AA in the outer wall (E-ring) to
exit hole between columns 5-O and 7-0 in the C-ring wall is
310 feet.
But what do the engineers tell us about the damage to the Pentagon?
All the investigators did was enter the crash site for one day
of observations AFTER THE BUILDING HAD COLLAPSED OVER THE
ORIGINAL CRASH HOLE, examining each of the pillars and checking
Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment
Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise
without remaining function
Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment
of function
Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant
impairment of function.
The fact is that whereas the small-plane explaination is
supported by photos of the outer wall crash hole, pre-collapse,
as having interior wall still standing to the right of the hole
where the fuselage entered, the ASCE Pentagon Building
Performance report DOES IN FACT SUPPORT THE SMALL-PLANE
PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE BY INDICATING THAT THE PILLARS TO THE
RIGHT OF THE NOSE-ENTRY WERE STILL STANDING. They are shown
leaning out, indicating that they were not knocked down --
(they are drawn in the diagram as leaning, indicating that they
were "disconnected or broken" but not missing or knocked down
(missing pillars are marked by a red spot,
knocked down pillars are shown lying on their sides in the
diagram).
And as for the damage alone the 310 feet from AA 14 to the
missing columns (red spots) are extremely close to the center
line of the path. MOST NOTABLE IS THE FACT THAT DOUBLE COLUMN
11-D WHICH IS AN INTERIOR COLUMN HOLDING UP THE INTERIOR BACK
WALL OF E-RING JUST TO THE RIGHT OF WHERE THE FUSELAGE PASSED
(ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER'S DOTTED LINE FROM AA-14 TO THE HOLE
IN C-RING) That column is not knocked down or missing, but only
is deformed with significant impairment of function. And on
the starboard side of the fuselage no more pillars are knocked
down, whereas in the path of the fuselage and to the port side
from center there are seven more red-marked pillars that are
damaged (missing, broken, disconnected). (See Illustration B)
But this is totally consistent with the fact that the engine
popped out between pillars 5-O and 7-O -- it is totally
consistent with the fact that the killer jet was a
single-engine, engine-in-fuselage aircraft.
So we see that on the starboard side -- where we have -p[hotos
of the interior walls still standing before the collapse --
indicating that there was no starboard wing engine -- we now
also can point to the structural report of the American Society
of Civil Engineers, who show that the exterior pillars were not
downed to the right of the hole made by the fuselage -- and
that the engineers could make no determination of which of the
second and third rows of pillars (rows A and B after the
exterior row AA) were damaged or not, because of the subsequent
collapse that destroyed this evidence. BUT THE EVIDENCE THE
ENGINEERS WERE ABLE TO PRESENT IS ENTIRELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE
SMALL PLANE THESIS, AND INCONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICIAL STORY
THAT AN AIRLINER WITH A MASSIVE STARBOARD WING ENGINE ENDERED
THE BUILDING --
IT WAS DEFINITELY A SINGLE ENGINE PLANE AS ALL THE OTHER HARD
EVIDENCE IS ALSO INDICATING.
What BB does not want you to learn is that 9-11 was a
mass-murder frameup and that the evidence showing that an F-16
that fired a missile into the target ahead of its own crash and
that the Boeing 757 at the same moment overflew the Pentagon
banked right over the 14th street bridge on the Potomac and
landed at Reagan National only one mile from the crash. The
flash and subsequent smoke and fire aided the Boeing in moving
away without detection. And before the noise of the crash could
reach the Washington monumnet, the Boeing was closer to Reagan
National than to the attack scene. At this time all planes were
being called down. The Boeing merely hit the tarmac and taxied
to a hanger where, doubtless, in the following weeks while the
airport was shut down, the plane met the same fate as BMWs that
are stolen by international car theives.
The Fi16 approached at such terrific speed (some heard a sonic
boom before the crash) and so low (ground hugging aircraft are
very difficult to see against a busy background of buildings --
the killer jet may have been dark so it would resemble the
shadow of an aircraft from the sky. At any rate, all eyes were
on the Boeing as it flew over the Naval Annex, so that people
missed the smaller jet in its stealth approach from the
southwest.
All of the above, with all of the details that I have left out,
Dick Eastman 30 evidence articles (photos, diagrams, ATC
reports, witness accounts etc.)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-fram
eup /me ssages
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm
Other investigators fill in other aspects of this mass-murder by
Administration neo-con zionists in the Defense Department
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war (Neils Groenveld et al.)
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/ (Ian Henshaw et al.)
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/
http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm (Frank Levin)
http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html
http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html
http://www.911timeline.net/
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html
http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com
http://www.antiwar.com
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/
http://digipressetmp4.teaser.fr/site/dossier.php?dosnum=60
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htm
htt p:/ /www.
http://asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htm
http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/4578.php
http://hamilton.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1786&group=we
bca st http://buffalo.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=3265
========================
Are you sure that Sgt Lagasse is able to make the difference
beetween "port" and "starboard". As I teach sailing, I can tell
you lot of people get confused with that... And Lagasse doesn't
work in the navy
:)
Other question : Lagasse says he was fueling his car near
"barraks K". Would it be somewhere else than Citgo gas station
N 9.5 E 17.5 ? For example N 4.1 E 9.4
He did. He called me on the phone after the interview.
He said he saw the plane from the starboard side as it passed by
him. I checked his knowlege of starboard and port and he
convinced me that he knew the difference and that he has flown
aircraft.
After he saw the actual Boeing pass by him, he dived in his car
and grabbed the police radio --
But then, after looking up again, he saw the the crash of the
killer jet (he says it was still the Boeing he was seeing -- but
now from behind the plane and at an angle so that he could just
see narrowly the "port side" -- and I checked it on the map
and this is exactly what he should have seen of the killer plane
as it hit goiving his location at the gas station.
I conclude that he saw the Boeing pass him -- saw its starboard
(right) side, but then, when he looked away and looked back, he
saw the killer jet hitting exactly as we know it did hit and
exactly as it should have looked from his position at the gas
station.
He also said that the plane passed him going from left to right,
indicating that he was looking at the starboard -- had he viewed
the known path of the killer jet from the gas station he would
have seen it pass from right to left and seen the port side.
He explains this by saying that the plane yawed, that it flew
not pointing straight ahead, which he ascribes to the tail
rudder being turned extremely to one side. I believe that this
is his mind attemping to reconcile the impossible transition of
observed orientation of aircraft -- seeing first the Boeing
from one position, and then the killer for a split second, at a
completely different angle.
When Lagasse phoned I took my American Automobile Association
road map out and, checking street names against his story
located, with him, the gas station as inside the curve to the
north made by the columbia pike after it passes the Annex, that
he was at the gas station inside that curve in the road, exactly
where the gulf station is. The gas stations are one and the
same --
Great work, Mr. Eastman.
Check my response to the above referenced post by the "High
Probability of Less Than Truthful"/Preposterous B/S Artist Eastman.
Perhaps then you may choose to reconsider your
conclusion/opinion/evaluation "Regarding the quality" of "Eastman's
Work". Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Do ad hominem attacks ever work, Ralphie? Among thinking people, I
mean? --
Can I borrow a feeling?
Check my response before you declare it "Ad Hom", if you are a
"Thinking Person"?
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Your response was pretty empty, instead referring me to another thread.
You haven't answered my simple question in over two weeks. Forgive me if
I am in no rush to go on a wild goose chase.
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
JL Grasso
2003-07-26 22:29:20 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:16:11 GMT, BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
Post by Everyman
A "Lunatic" that Spins/Twists the truth to stir/scare those
with no actual knowledge of the subject.
On the contrary. I have just reviewed your posts of late and
In this thread we have Ralph saying of picture #1 of the 5
" Due coloration/contrast of background the
fuselage blends into the background while for
the same reason the vertical stablizer is visible
as a "Blur"."
But the shape of the tail fin is clearly visible.
Also the missile plume is unmistakable trailing to the right at
just the right level below the tail fin to correspond with
missile fired by an F-16. You know that planes cannot penetrate
walls like the Pentagon, not Boeings and not F-16s -- a
missile was needed to soften the wall so that the small plane
would enter without leaving telltale debris on the grass.
In this thread we have also seen Fox news quoted on the subject
<<The first photo shows a small, blurry white object
near the upper right corner — possibly the plane just
a few feet above the ground.>>
Clearly they mistook the smoke trail of the air-to-ground
missile for the plane, and missed spotting the tail fin
completely.
<< NBC?s Jim Miklaszewski explains that the sequence of five
photos, taken from a Department of Defense security camera,
shows the Boeing 757 hitting the ground
an instant before it plows into the building and explodes in a
deadly fireball. >>
Clearly the smoke of the missile was misinterpreted by many as
the plane hitting the ground and raising smoke. But we know
that the planes trajectory was level and we know that the grass
at this location was unharmed.
<<Now explain to me the eyewitnesses who saw the plane and
jumped from ttheir cars as it took down lightpoles. >>
But the fact is that none of the witnesses saw the Boeing take
down the poles -- in every case a deduction is made after the
fact, based on their assumption that the Boeing did it -- but I
have talked to witnesses who prove that the Boeing was nowhere
near the poles, that the Boeing came over the Annex, they it
flew by Lagasse from west to east to the north of him, when the
poles were slightly south of him from his postion at the Gulf
gas station.
BUT WHAT BRINGS ME HERE IS TO TELL YOU ALL ONCE AND FOR ALL
The American Society of Civil Engineers Pentagon Building
Performance Report backs up small-plane finding --- DISPROVES
A BOEING CRASH
Well, the whole thing is painstakingly documented in the ASCE
report. Of course, the retards don't want to read it, since it
instantly debunks every single one of their rants.
Except that the ASCE does nothing of the kind. In fact, as I
show you below, the ASCE report supports the small-plane thesis
and discredits the official ( frameup/coverup) story.
The American Society of Civil Engineers in their Pentagon
Building Performance Report which reports the different levels
of damage done to the pillars in the first story of the crash
region presents information that supports the photo evidence
showing that NO STARBOARD WING ENGINE OF A BOEING 575 ENTERED
THE PENTAGON.
As you read the report and examin the diagrams and simulations
keep this color code of levels of damage to columns in mind
(note: "Spalling" means that chips have been knocked off the
pillar.)
Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment
Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise
without remaining function
Blue squares: Impacted with large deformation and significant
impairment of function
Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment
of function
Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant
impairment of function.
https://www.asce.org/pdf/illustrations.pdf
(Be sure to use the zoom feature of your Adobe Acrobat etc. to
read the legends of these diagrams)
Let us examin this graphical summary of the engineers' findings.
Illustration A -- A cut-away simulation showing the
arrangement of pillars , numbered 1 through 34 across the outer
wall and rows AA (outer wall), A, B, C ... through O (15
rows) on the first floor as you go back 220 ft. to the wall of
the C-ring exit hole which is between pillars 5-0 and 7-0
(there being only odd number pillars behind the first row on the
outer wall, i.e., twice as many)
The nose of the killer jet hit pillar 14-AA on the outer wall.
The distance from pillar 14-AA in the outer wall (E-ring) to
exit hole between columns 5-O and 7-0 in the C-ring wall is
310 feet.
But what do the engineers tell us about the damage to the Pentagon?
All the investigators did was enter the crash site for one day
of observations AFTER THE BUILDING HAD COLLAPSED OVER THE
ORIGINAL CRASH HOLE, examining each of the pillars and checking
Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment
Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise
without remaining function
Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment
of function
Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant
impairment of function.
The fact is that whereas the small-plane explaination is
supported by photos of the outer wall crash hole, pre-collapse,
as having interior wall still standing to the right of the hole
where the fuselage entered, the ASCE Pentagon Building
Performance report DOES IN FACT SUPPORT THE SMALL-PLANE
PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE BY INDICATING THAT THE PILLARS TO THE
RIGHT OF THE NOSE-ENTRY WERE STILL STANDING. They are shown
leaning out, indicating that they were not knocked down --
(they are drawn in the diagram as leaning, indicating that they
were "disconnected or broken" but not missing or knocked down
(missing pillars are marked by a red spot,
knocked down pillars are shown lying on their sides in the
diagram).
And as for the damage alone the 310 feet from AA 14 to the
missing columns (red spots) are extremely close to the center
line of the path. MOST NOTABLE IS THE FACT THAT DOUBLE COLUMN
11-D WHICH IS AN INTERIOR COLUMN HOLDING UP THE INTERIOR BACK
WALL OF E-RING JUST TO THE RIGHT OF WHERE THE FUSELAGE PASSED
(ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER'S DOTTED LINE FROM AA-14 TO THE HOLE
IN C-RING) That column is not knocked down or missing, but only
is deformed with significant impairment of function. And on
the starboard side of the fuselage no more pillars are knocked
down, whereas in the path of the fuselage and to the port side
from center there are seven more red-marked pillars that are
damaged (missing, broken, disconnected). (See Illustration B)
But this is totally consistent with the fact that the engine
popped out between pillars 5-O and 7-O -- it is totally
consistent with the fact that the killer jet was a
single-engine, engine-in-fuselage aircraft.
So we see that on the starboard side -- where we have -p[hotos
of the interior walls still standing before the collapse --
indicating that there was no starboard wing engine -- we now
also can point to the structural report of the American Society
of Civil Engineers, who show that the exterior pillars were not
downed to the right of the hole made by the fuselage -- and
that the engineers could make no determination of which of the
second and third rows of pillars (rows A and B after the
exterior row AA) were damaged or not, because of the subsequent
collapse that destroyed this evidence. BUT THE EVIDENCE THE
ENGINEERS WERE ABLE TO PRESENT IS ENTIRELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE
SMALL PLANE THESIS, AND INCONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICIAL STORY
THAT AN AIRLINER WITH A MASSIVE STARBOARD WING ENGINE ENDERED
THE BUILDING --
IT WAS DEFINITELY A SINGLE ENGINE PLANE AS ALL THE OTHER HARD
EVIDENCE IS ALSO INDICATING.
What BB does not want you to learn is that 9-11 was a
mass-murder frameup and that the evidence showing that an F-16
that fired a missile into the target ahead of its own crash and
that the Boeing 757 at the same moment overflew the Pentagon
banked right over the 14th street bridge on the Potomac and
landed at Reagan National only one mile from the crash. The
flash and subsequent smoke and fire aided the Boeing in moving
away without detection. And before the noise of the crash could
reach the Washington monumnet, the Boeing was closer to Reagan
National than to the attack scene. At this time all planes were
being called down. The Boeing merely hit the tarmac and taxied
to a hanger where, doubtless, in the following weeks while the
airport was shut down, the plane met the same fate as BMWs that
are stolen by international car theives.
The Fi16 approached at such terrific speed (some heard a sonic
boom before the crash) and so low (ground hugging aircraft are
very difficult to see against a busy background of buildings --
the killer jet may have been dark so it would resemble the
shadow of an aircraft from the sky. At any rate, all eyes were
on the Boeing as it flew over the Naval Annex, so that people
missed the smaller jet in its stealth approach from the
southwest.
All of the above, with all of the details that I have left out,
Dick Eastman 30 evidence articles (photos, diagrams, ATC
reports, witness accounts etc.)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-fram
eup /me ssages
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm
Other investigators fill in other aspects of this mass-murder by
Administration neo-con zionists in the Defense Department
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war (Neils Groenveld et al.)
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/ (Ian Henshaw et al.)
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/
http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm (Frank Levin)
http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html
http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html
http://www.911timeline.net/
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html
http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com
http://www.antiwar.com
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/
http://digipressetmp4.teaser.fr/site/dossier.php?dosnum=60
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htm
htt p:/ /www.
http://asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htm
http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/4578.php
http://hamilton.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1786&group=we
bca st http://buffalo.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=3265
========================
Are you sure that Sgt Lagasse is able to make the difference
beetween "port" and "starboard". As I teach sailing, I can tell
you lot of people get confused with that... And Lagasse doesn't
work in the navy
:)
Other question : Lagasse says he was fueling his car near
"barraks K". Would it be somewhere else than Citgo gas station
N 9.5 E 17.5 ? For example N 4.1 E 9.4
He did. He called me on the phone after the interview.
He said he saw the plane from the starboard side as it passed by
him. I checked his knowlege of starboard and port and he
convinced me that he knew the difference and that he has flown
aircraft.
After he saw the actual Boeing pass by him, he dived in his car
and grabbed the police radio --
But then, after looking up again, he saw the the crash of the
killer jet (he says it was still the Boeing he was seeing -- but
now from behind the plane and at an angle so that he could just
see narrowly the "port side" -- and I checked it on the map
and this is exactly what he should have seen of the killer plane
as it hit goiving his location at the gas station.
I conclude that he saw the Boeing pass him -- saw its starboard
(right) side, but then, when he looked away and looked back, he
saw the killer jet hitting exactly as we know it did hit and
exactly as it should have looked from his position at the gas
station.
He also said that the plane passed him going from left to right,
indicating that he was looking at the starboard -- had he viewed
the known path of the killer jet from the gas station he would
have seen it pass from right to left and seen the port side.
He explains this by saying that the plane yawed, that it flew
not pointing straight ahead, which he ascribes to the tail
rudder being turned extremely to one side. I believe that this
is his mind attemping to reconcile the impossible transition of
observed orientation of aircraft -- seeing first the Boeing
from one position, and then the killer for a split second, at a
completely different angle.
When Lagasse phoned I took my American Automobile Association
road map out and, checking street names against his story
located, with him, the gas station as inside the curve to the
north made by the columbia pike after it passes the Annex, that
he was at the gas station inside that curve in the road, exactly
where the gulf station is. The gas stations are one and the
same --
Great work, Mr. Eastman.
Check my response to the above referenced post by the "High
Probability of Less Than Truthful"/Preposterous B/S Artist Eastman.
Perhaps then you may choose to reconsider your
conclusion/opinion/evaluation "Regarding the quality" of "Eastman's
Work". Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Do ad hominem attacks ever work, Ralphie? Among thinking people, I
mean? --
Can I borrow a feeling?
Check my response before you declare it "Ad Hom", if you are a
"Thinking Person"?
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Your response was pretty empty, instead referring me to another thread.
You haven't answered my simple question in over two weeks. Forgive me if
I am in no rush to go on a wild goose chase.
Is one your limit?



Jerry
JustaCowboy
2003-07-26 22:28:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
Great work, Mr. Eastman.
Check my response to the above referenced post by the "High Probability of
Less Than Truthful"/Preposterous B/S Artist Eastman. Perhaps then you may
choose to reconsider your conclusion/opinion/evaluation "Regarding the
quality" of "Eastman's Work".
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
The same Dickhead Eastman who claims that the government controls the
weather? Oh yeah, he has a ton of credibility.
BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
2003-07-26 16:28:00 UTC
Permalink
My god what a rant, ya put some effort into that one.
Pity you put no effort into your reply.
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that it
made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
j***@earthlink.net
2003-07-26 16:51:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
My god what a rant, ya put some effort into that one.
Pity you put no effort into your reply.
I didn't see a point in it, why bother to argue about a fantasy?
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.
"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that it
made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
2003-07-26 16:48:27 UTC
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Post by j***@earthlink.net
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
My god what a rant, ya put some effort into that one.
Pity you put no effort into your reply.
I didn't see a point in it, why bother to argue about a fantasy?
So you can tell me why there is no starboard engine on the "757"?
Post by j***@earthlink.net
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.
"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
Bertie the Bunyip
2003-07-26 22:02:45 UTC
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Post by j***@earthlink.net
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
My god what a rant, ya put some effort into that one.
Pity you put no effort into your reply.
I didn't see a point in it, why bother to argue about a fantasy?
Because he's a loon.

bertei
Post by j***@earthlink.net
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.
"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
David Casey
2003-07-26 18:12:38 UTC
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On 26 Jul 2003, <***@earthlink.net> wrote in us.military.army:

[followups set]
My god what a rant, ya put some effort into that one.
My theory on why all the idiots on Usenet lately is that somewhere, a mental
clinic had it's funding cut so they had to let most of the folks out.

Dave
--
You can talk about us, but you can't talk without us!
US Army Signal Corps!!
www.geocities.com/davidcasey98
BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
2003-07-26 22:17:12 UTC
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Post by David Casey
[followups set]
My god what a rant, ya put some effort into that one.
My theory on why all the idiots on Usenet lately is that somewhere, a
mental clinic had it's funding cut so they had to let most of the
folks out.
Dave
Is that why none of you can account for a missing starboard engine on the
Pentagon's "757"?
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
JL Grasso
2003-07-26 22:30:49 UTC
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:17:12 GMT, BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
Post by BEFEHL IST BEFEHL
Post by David Casey
[followups set]
My god what a rant, ya put some effort into that one.
My theory on why all the idiots on Usenet lately is that somewhere, a
mental clinic had it's funding cut so they had to let most of the
folks out.
Dave
Is that why none of you can account for a missing starboard engine on the
Pentagon's "757"?
You sifted through the rubble yourself, eh fuckwit?


Jerry

Bertie the Bunyip
2003-07-26 22:00:53 UTC
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My god what a rant, ya put some effort into that one.
More likely he just put a shitload of amphetimine into his system and let
fly.


bertie
Ralph Nesbitt
2003-07-26 15:46:18 UTC
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Post by Everyman
A "Lunatic" that Spins/Twists the truth to stir/scare those with no actual
knowledge of the subject.
DU (Deleted Uranium) is LSA (Low Specific Activity) Uranium Metal. When
burned the residue is mainly Uranium Oxide, the naturally ocuring form of
the Element Uranium occurs/is found in Naturaly occuring Uranium Ores.

Uranium Oxide, irrespective of specific activity, is a hazard to human
health, just as the oxides of any other "Metalic Element" are/is.

The most common exposure of people to radioactivity world wide is form a
natureally occuring radioactive gas given off by various rocks.
Post by Everyman
On the contrary. I have just reviewed your posts of late and this is
In this thread we have Ralph saying of picture #1 of the 5 sequential
" Due coloration/contrast of background the
fuselage blends into the background while for
the same reason the vertical stablizer is visible
as a "Blur"."
But the shape of the tail fin is clearly visible.
Also the missile plume is unmistakable trailing to the right at just
the right level below the tail fin to correspond with missile fired by
an F-16. You know that planes cannot penetrate walls like the
Pentagon, not Boeings and not F-16s -- a missile was needed to
soften the wall so that the small plane would enter without leaving
telltale debris on the grass.
Please get your atributions correct. The above paragraph is your
scenario/statement/comment/conclusion, not mine.

What you allege is a "Missile Plume" near/below the "Tail Fin" is
condensation in the low pressure area created by turbelence generated by the
passing of the tail structure. This phenomenom is common/commonly visible on
any landing A/C when humidity is sufficient to condense to visibility during
radical/quick changes in Barometric Pressure generated by turburlence
generated by a passing Air Foil.

Large a/c have a Keel Bean Srtucture, that is the strongest component of the
a/c on a relative basis. The "Kinetic Energy" of tha mass of the a/c
was/would be concentrated in the Keel Beam Structure. For a a/c the mass of
theBoeing 757 a/c in ?, with a forward speed of ~ 500 kts, at the time of
impact, the quanity of Kinetic Enegry" was/would be immense. I will agree,
it is doubtful an a/c of lesser mass, with less kinetic enegry, probably
would not have penetrated the bldg.

There was no evidence of a small plane found in the debries. There was
substantual evidence of a certain Boeing 757 a/c, commonly refered to as Flt
77, identified/found in the Debries. See Pic's at/near the bottom of:
http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com for documentation supporting my
statement regarding a certain Boeing 757 a/c, commonly refered to as Flt 77,
being found in the debries inside the bldg.
Post by Everyman
Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace!
In this thread we have also seen Fox news quoted on the subject of
<<The first photo shows a small, blurry white object
near the upper right corner - possibly the plane just
a few feet above the ground.>>
Clearly they mistook the smoke trail of the air-to-ground missile for
the plane, and missed spotting the tail fin completely.
See explanation of/for common atmospheric phenomenoma above, you are
mistakeing for/identifying as/assumeing is a "Missile Plume
Post by Everyman
<< NBC?s Jim Miklaszewski explains that the sequence of five photos,
taken from a Department of Defense security camera, shows the Boeing
757 hitting the ground
an instant before it plows into the building and explodes in a
deadly fireball. >>
Clearly the smoke of the missile was misinterpreted by many as the
plane hitting the ground and raising smoke. But we know that the
planes trajectory was level and we know that the grass at this
location was unharmed.
Again, see the explanation of/for common atmospheric phenomenoma above, you
are mistakeing for/mistakenly identifying as/assumeing is a "Missile Plume
Post by Everyman
<<Now explain to me the eyewitnesses who saw the plane and jumped from
ttheir cars as it took down lightpoles. >>
But the fact is that none of the witnesses saw the Boeing take down
the poles -- in every case a deduction is made after the fact, based
on their assumption that the Boeing did it -- but I have talked to
witnesses who prove that the Boeing was nowhere near the poles, that
the Boeing came over the Annex, they it flew by Lagasse from west to
east to the north of him, when the poles were slightly south of him
from his postion at the Gulf gas station.
BUT WHAT BRINGS ME HERE IS TO TELL YOU ALL ONCE AND FOR ALL
The American Society of Civil Engineers Pentagon Building Performance
Report backs up small-plane finding --- DISPROVES A BOEING CRASH
Well, the whole thing is painstakingly documented in the ASCE report.
Of course, the retards don't want to read it, since it instantly
debunks every single one of their rants.
Except that the ASCE does nothing of the kind. In fact, as I show you
below, the ASCE report supports the small-plane thesis and discredits
the official ( frameup/coverup) story.
The American Society of Civil Engineers in their Pentagon Building
Performance Report which reports the different levels of damage done
to the pillars in the first story of the crash region presents
information that supports the photo evidence showing that NO STARBOARD
WING ENGINE OF A BOEING 575 ENTERED THE PENTAGON.
As you read the report and examin the diagrams and simulations keep
"Spalling" means that chips have been knocked off the pillar.)
Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment
Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise without
remaining function
Blue squares: Impacted with large deformation and significant
impairment of function
Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment of
function
Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant impairment
of function.
https://www.asce.org/pdf/illustrations.pdf
(Be sure to use the zoom feature of your Adobe Acrobat etc. to read
the legends of these diagrams)
Let us examin this graphical summary of the engineers' findings.
Illustration A -- A cut-away simulation showing the arrangement of
pillars , numbered 1 through 34 across the outer wall and rows AA
(outer wall), A, B, C ... through O (15 rows) on the first floor as
you go back 220 ft. to the wall of the C-ring exit hole which is
between pillars 5-0 and 7-0 (there being only odd number pillars
behind the first row on the outer wall, i.e., twice as many)
The nose of the killer jet hit pillar 14-AA on the outer wall. The
distance from pillar 14-AA in the outer wall (E-ring) to exit hole
between columns 5-O and 7-0 in the C-ring wall is 310 feet.
But what do the engineers tell us about the damage to the Pentagon?
All the investigators did was enter the crash site for one day of
observations AFTER THE BUILDING HAD COLLAPSED OVER THE ORIGINAL CRASH
HOLE, examining each of the pillars and checking off its condition
How did the engineers enter the area prior to the shoreing up reinforcement
so removal of "Debries From the Collapse area could proceed in a ~ safe
manner? This statement/allegation by you above indicates a high probability
your statement/allegation is a "Less Than Truthful" reinteration of events
surronding the "Actions of the Investigators".
Post by Everyman
Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant
inpairment
Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise without
remaining function
Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment of
function
Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant impairment
of function.
The fact is that whereas the small-plane explaination is supported by
photos of the outer wall crash hole, pre-collapse, as having interior
wall still standing to the right of the hole where the fuselage
entered, the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance report DOES IN FACT
SUPPORT THE SMALL-PLANE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE BY INDICATING THAT THE
PILLARS TO THE RIGHT OF THE NOSE-ENTRY WERE STILL STANDING. They are
shown leaning out, indicating that they were not knocked down --
(they are drawn in the diagram as leaning, indicating that they were
"disconnected or broken" but not missing or knocked down (missing
pillars are marked by a red spot, knocked down pillars are shown
lying on their sides in the diagram).
And as for the damage alone the 310 feet from AA 14 to the missing
columns (red spots) are extremely close to the center line of the
path. MOST NOTABLE IS THE FACT THAT DOUBLE COLUMN 11-D WHICH IS AN
INTERIOR COLUMN HOLDING UP THE INTERIOR BACK WALL OF E-RING JUST TO
THE RIGHT OF WHERE THE FUSELAGE PASSED (ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER'S
DOTTED LINE FROM AA-14 TO THE HOLE IN C-RING) That column is not
knocked down or missing, but only is deformed with significant
impairment of function. And on the starboard side of the fuselage no
more pillars are knocked down, whereas in the path of the fuselage and
to the port side from center there are seven more red-marked pillars
that are damaged (missing, broken, disconnected). (See Illustration
B)
But this is totally consistent with the fact that the engine popped
out between pillars 5-O and 7-O -- it is totally consistent with the
fact that the killer jet was a single-engine, engine-in-fuselage
aircraft.
2 engines were found that were identified as comming from the Boeing 757 a/c
commonly referred to as Flt 77. 1 as you note in the debries inside the blg,
a pic of which is avaible on the webb site I referenced above. The other was
found in the "Mall Area". The engine found in the "Mall Area" was probably
knocked off by encountering the construction trailer/equipment/supplies just
before/as the a/c impacted the bldg. Once/When detached from the wing tha
engine bounced off either the ground or something in the area of the
construction compound, eventually comming to rest where it was found.
Post by Everyman
So we see that on the starboard side -- where we have -p[hotos of the
interior walls still standing before the collapse -- indicating that
there was no starboard wing engine -- we now also can point to the
structural report of the American Society of Civil Engineers, who show
that the exterior pillars were not downed to the right of the hole
made by the fuselage -- and that the engineers could make no
determination of which of the second and third rows of pillars (rows
A and B after the exterior row AA) were damaged or not, because of the
subsequent collapse that destroyed this evidence.
Earlier in the post you allege/state the engineers examined, the entire
area, for 1 day before any "Debries Removal/ reinforcement to preclude
futher collapse. IRC it required more than 1 day to shore up/reinforce the
damaged area so it would be ~ safe to enter. This allegation/statement by
you is indicative of a "High Probability" your reinteration of events is
"Less Than Truthful".
Post by Everyman
BUT THE EVIDENCE
THE ENGINEERS WERE ABLE TO PRESENT IS ENTIRELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SMALL
PLANE THESIS, AND INCONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICIAL STORY THAT AN
AIRLINER WITH A MASSIVE STARBOARD WING ENGINE ENDERED THE BUILDING --
IT WAS DEFINITELY A SINGLE ENGINE PLANE AS ALL THE OTHER HARD
EVIDENCE IS ALSO INDICATING.
You conveniently ignore the second engine found at/near the incident site &
a logical explanation of how it got to where it was found (See my
explatanation above). In addition you also ignore the fact the 2 engines
found. 1 in the debries inside the bldg, the other/2nd engine in the "Mall
Area" were identified by "Serial Number" as having come from/haveing been on
the Boeing 757 a/c, commonly refered to as Flt 77.

To sum up. Your attempt above to spin/use The ASCE Report, by reinteratering
events in a manner, with a "High Probablity of Being Less Than Truthful, to
support your scenario regarding the Flight 77 incident is the most
"Preposterous Line of B/S you have yet attempted IMHO.

< Balance of Eastman B/S Snipped>
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Ralph Nesbitt
2003-07-18 14:07:23 UTC
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Post by oldickeastman
Post by This is 1938 Berlin
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Hopefully the "Security Section" of ADL will check up on you/your
activities as a "Potential Threat" to society, Jewish Society, in
particular. Ralph Nesbitt Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
If any of them fuck with me, I'll skewer the motherfuckers.
Things are getting tense in the good ol' USA.
Zionists are the masters of murder and deceit.
I don't give myself more than a month.
And so I have written this -- your my countrymen for men of good will
========
From: Dick Eastman
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: my secrets are out, except this one (rather important)
my secrets are out, except this one (rather important)
Whenever I go away fear that I may never write another word. And so
I try to say everything that I think needs saying. The recent death
of Brian Quig sets me thinking about leaving an index of my
discoveries and theories, a list of my proposals for reforming the
country to restore her highest principles of government -- and
finally, below all that, to share the great book idea that I may
never get around to writing.
< snip of preposterous crock of B/S>
Anyone who seeks to stir up/incite trouble should not be surprised when it
"Bites them". This world is full of people who are not balanced/don't have
their act together that see a conspiracy behind every word/comment.

IMHO Dick Eastman is 1 such person. People such as this live in a fringe
fantasy world populated by some who are unstable at best. I would not be
surprised if Dick Eastman, in his paranoia was not preparing to/being
capable of "Horrendous Acts" to draw attention to his "Warped
thinking/Scenarios".
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
This is 1938 Berlin
2003-07-18 14:14:47 UTC
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Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by oldickeastman
Post by This is 1938 Berlin
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Hopefully the "Security Section" of ADL will check up on
you/your activities as a "Potential Threat" to society, Jewish
Society, in particular. Ralph Nesbitt Professional FD/CFR/ARFF
Type
If any of them fuck with me, I'll skewer the motherfuckers.
Things are getting tense in the good ol' USA.
Zionists are the masters of murder and deceit.
I don't give myself more than a month.
And so I have written this -- your my countrymen for men of good will
========
From: Dick Eastman
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: my secrets are out, except this one (rather important)
my secrets are out, except this one (rather important)
Whenever I go away fear that I may never write another word. And so
I try to say everything that I think needs saying. The recent death
of Brian Quig sets me thinking about leaving an index of my
discoveries and theories, a list of my proposals for reforming the
country to restore her highest principles of government -- and
finally, below all that, to share the great book idea that I may
never get around to writing.
< snip of preposterous crock of B/S>
Anyone who seeks to stir up/incite trouble should not be surprised
when it "Bites them". This world is full of people who are not
balanced/don't have their act together that see a conspiracy behind
every word/comment.
IMHO Dick Eastman is 1 such person. People such as this live in a
fringe fantasy world populated by some who are unstable at best. I
would not be surprised if Dick Eastman, in his paranoia was not
preparing to/being capable of "Horrendous Acts" to draw attention to
his "Warped thinking/Scenarios".
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
He's a true American. You're a puddle of monkey puke.
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
Hit1Hard
2003-07-18 19:35:27 UTC
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Ralph Nesbitt
2003-07-18 16:46:27 UTC
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Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by oldickeastman
Post by This is 1938 Berlin
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Hopefully the "Security Section" of ADL will check up on you/your
activities as a "Potential Threat" to society, Jewish Society, in
particular. Ralph Nesbitt Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
If any of them fuck with me, I'll skewer the motherfuckers.
Things are getting tense in the good ol' USA.
Zionists are the masters of murder and deceit.
I don't give myself more than a month.
And so I have written this -- your my countrymen for men of good will
========
From: Dick Eastman
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: my secrets are out,
except this one (rather important)
my secrets are out, except this one (rather important)
Whenever I go away fear that I may never write another word. And so I
try to say everything that I think needs saying. The recent death of
Brian Quig sets me thinking about leaving an index of my discoveries
and theories, a list of my proposals for reforming the country to
restore her highest principles of government -- and finally, below all
that, to share the great book idea that I may never get around to
writing.
< snip of preposterous crock of B/S>
Anyone who seeks to stir up/incite trouble should not be surprised when
it "Bites them". This world is full of people who are not balanced/don't
have their act together that see a conspiracy behind every
word/comment.
So.. Using one's first amendment is a justification for you to send some
thugs to him to "bite him", when it isn't covered in the hate speech?
Reread what I wrote regardeing him inciteing fringe elements.
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Can I compare that to the NAZI techniques in Old Germany?
Btw. Weren't some of your protectors of society caught with bombs and
plans to protect society from a CA senator?
Me thinks you & Eastman are the 1's claiming to be the "Protectors of
Society". IMHO your ideas of "Protecting Society" are a bit "warped".
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
You forgot ADL agitator.
Whle I know nothing of/have never had any contact with ADL, I am not the 1
attempting to incite rebellion, while being supportative of giving
aid/comfort to the "Enemy", as Eastman has, or as in your case, supporting
someone that does, meaning Eastman.
.
Eastman was the 1 that "challenged the ADL. No doubt such an organization
would have a group to check out those that challenge it. I have often heard
it said " Be careful what you ask/wish/pray for" you may not like it when
you get it".
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
--
Hit1Hard
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
This is 1938 Berlin
2003-07-18 17:00:00 UTC
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Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by oldickeastman
Post by This is 1938 Berlin
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Hopefully the "Security Section" of ADL will check up on
you/your activities as a "Potential Threat" to society,
Jewish Society, in particular. Ralph Nesbitt Professional
FD/CFR/ARFF Type
If any of them fuck with me, I'll skewer the motherfuckers.
Things are getting tense in the good ol' USA.
Zionists are the masters of murder and deceit.
I don't give myself more than a month.
And so I have written this -- your my countrymen for men of good
========
From: Dick Eastman
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: my secrets are out,
except this one (rather important)
my secrets are out, except this one (rather important)
Whenever I go away fear that I may never write another word. And
so I try to say everything that I think needs saying. The recent
death of Brian Quig sets me thinking about leaving an index of my
discoveries and theories, a list of my proposals for reforming the
country to restore her highest principles of government -- and
finally, below all that, to share the great book idea that I may
never get around to writing.
< snip of preposterous crock of B/S>
Anyone who seeks to stir up/incite trouble should not be surprised
when it "Bites them". This world is full of people who are not
balanced/don't have their act together that see a conspiracy behind
every
word/comment.
So.. Using one's first amendment is a justification for you to send
some thugs to him to "bite him", when it isn't covered in the hate
speech?
Reread what I wrote regardeing him inciteing fringe elements.
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Can I compare that to the NAZI techniques in Old Germany?
Btw. Weren't some of your protectors of society caught with bombs and
plans to protect society from a CA senator?
Me thinks you & Eastman are the 1's claiming to be the "Protectors of
Society". IMHO your ideas of "Protecting Society" are a bit "warped".
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
You forgot ADL agitator.
Whle I know nothing of/have never had any contact with ADL, I am not
the 1 attempting to incite rebellion, while being supportative of
giving aid/comfort to the "Enemy", as Eastman has, or as in your case,
supporting someone that does, meaning Eastman.
.
Eastman was the 1 that "challenged the ADL. No doubt such an
organization would have a group to check out those that challenge it.
I have often heard it said " Be careful what you ask/wish/pray for"
you may not like it when you get it".
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
--
Hit1Hard
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
I, too, "challenge" the ADL. Fuck those motherfuckers.
--
Can I borrow a feeling?
http://www.mp3.com/gortician

Bass for your anus:
http://www.mp3.com/manticore
http://www.mp3.com/meterversusyard
http://www.mp3.com/highc
http://www.mp3.com/measurerecs.

"[The artwork of Andrew Penland] is REAL...what I mean by "real" is that
it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
Hit1Hard
2003-07-18 21:36:28 UTC
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This is 1938 Berlin
2003-07-18 18:02:47 UTC
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Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by oldickeastman
Post by This is 1938 Berlin
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Hopefully the "Security Section" of ADL will check up on
you/your activities as a "Potential Threat" to society,
Jewish
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by oldickeastman
Post by This is 1938 Berlin
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Society, in particular. Ralph Nesbitt Professional
FD/CFR/ARFF
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by oldickeastman
Post by This is 1938 Berlin
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Type
If any of them fuck with me, I'll skewer the motherfuckers.
Things are getting tense in the good ol' USA.
Zionists are the masters of murder and deceit.
I don't give myself more than a month.
And so I have written this -- your my countrymen for men of good
========
From: Dick Eastman
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: my secrets are out,
except this one (rather important)
my secrets are out, except this one (rather important)
Whenever I go away fear that I may never write another word. And
so I try to say everything that I think needs saying. The recent
death of Brian Quig sets me thinking about leaving an index of my
discoveries and theories, a list of my proposals for reforming the
country to restore her highest principles of government -- and
finally, below all that, to share the great book idea that I may
never get around to writing.
< snip of preposterous crock of B/S>
Anyone who seeks to stir up/incite trouble should not be surprised
when it "Bites them". This world is full of people who are not
balanced/don't have their act together that see a conspiracy behind
every
word/comment.
So.. Using one's first amendment is a justification for you to send
some thugs to him to "bite him", when it isn't covered in the hate
speech?
Reread what I wrote regardeing him inciteing fringe elements.
You mean the tactical division getting to people with bombs when the
Juridical system has no ways to shut them up because it isn't hate
speech
<yet>?
If they want him for sedition, then don't worry, Carnivore has allready
filtered the message, his Name and Adress are in the Email.
Funny thing is that the Juridical system has not taken away his right
to
say whatever he wants...
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Can I compare that to the NAZI techniques in Old Germany?
Btw. Weren't some of your protectors of society caught with bombs and
plans to protect society from a CA senator?
Me thinks you & Eastman are the 1's claiming to be the "Protectors of
Society". IMHO your ideas of "Protecting Society" are a bit "warped".
On the other hand, I will never be caught with bombs and plans to blow
up
something or commit murder on one of the by the people elected
representatives... Me thinks all people should be that "warped.."
How about your ADL thugs?
Because in my eyes.. They are terrorists... And that bombing attempt in
CA did fullfill the complete description of terrorism as it is
described
and defined after 911.
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
You forgot ADL agitator.
Whle I know nothing of/have never had any contact with ADL, I am not
the
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
1 attempting to incite rebellion, while being supportative of giving
aid/comfort to the "Enemy", as Eastman has, or as in your case,
supporting someone that does, meaning Eastman. .
FUCK you dude... I support the 1st Amendment.. As every PATRIOT of the
USA would.. FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. What exactly do you NOT comprehend in
that statement..
NOW you trying to force your will upon peope to shut up by inducting
fear
in them because some THUG from a MOB like organisation could "BITE"
them
if they use their by the 1st amendment granted right...
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Eastman was the 1 that "challenged the ADL. No doubt such an
organization would have a group to check out those that challenge it.
Are you talking about the KKK here, about the MOB? Or what are you
blathering about when you talk about people known to use violence to
get
their way, if they can't buy enough people to make the laws they wish
in
place?
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
I have often heard it said " Be careful what you ask/wish/pray for"
you
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
may not like it when you get it".
Fear rattles my bones...
So in short, You support a criminal organisation who's objective it is
to
take away the 1st amendment rights from citicens of the United states
of
America. A short yes as answer is sufficient for admitting that you try
to undermine the Constitution of the United States, if not by law, then
by inducting fear in the population...
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
--
Hit1Hard
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
I will beat the shit out of, and then kill, any ADL sacks of shit that
attempt to coerce me or intimidate me.




And what about the Zionist bombers in Mexico City?
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Hit1Hard
2003-07-18 22:00:41 UTC
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Coppertop Killer
2003-07-18 20:31:13 UTC
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Post by This is 1938 Berlin
And what about the Zionist bombers in Mexico City?
Arrested with handgranades and pistols..
About the same time that event in the India
parliament happened.. and what almost triggered Nuclear war between India
and the only Nuclear Capable Muslim country in the world.
But that was AlQwatta...
Stop it! You...you...you, anti-American bastards!
Ralph Nesbitt
2003-07-18 22:24:58 UTC
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Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by oldickeastman
Post by This is 1938 Berlin
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Hopefully the "Security Section" of ADL will check up on
you/your activities as a "Potential Threat" to society, Jewish
Society, in particular. Ralph Nesbitt Professional FD/CFR/ARFF
Type
If any of them fuck with me, I'll skewer the motherfuckers.
Things are getting tense in the good ol' USA.
Zionists are the masters of murder and deceit.
I don't give myself more than a month.
And so I have written this -- your my countrymen for men of good
========
From: Dick Eastman
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: my secrets are out,
except this one (rather important)
my secrets are out, except this one (rather important)
Whenever I go away fear that I may never write another word. And
so I try to say everything that I think needs saying. The recent
death of Brian Quig sets me thinking about leaving an index of my
discoveries and theories, a list of my proposals for reforming the
country to restore her highest principles of government -- and
finally, below all that, to share the great book idea that I may
never get around to writing.
< snip of preposterous crock of B/S>
Anyone who seeks to stir up/incite trouble should not be surprised
when it "Bites them". This world is full of people who are not
balanced/don't have their act together that see a conspiracy behind
every
word/comment.
So.. Using one's first amendment is a justification for you to send
some thugs to him to "bite him", when it isn't covered in the hate
speech?
Reread what I wrote regardeing him inciteing fringe elements.
You mean the tactical division getting to people with bombs when the
Juridical system has no ways to shut them up because it isn't hate speech
<yet>?
Your statement/allegation, not mine
If they want him for sedition, then don't worry, Carnivore has allready
filtered the message, his Name and Adress are in the Email.
Funny thing is that the Juridical system has not taken away his right to
say whatever he wants...
Me thinks the Old Saw," Give someone enough Rope & they will hang
themselves" is aplicaple to Eastman.
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Can I compare that to the NAZI techniques in Old Germany?
Btw. Weren't some of your protectors of society caught with bombs and
plans to protect society from a CA senator?
Me thinks you & Eastman are the 1's claiming to be the "Protectors of
Society". IMHO your ideas of "Protecting Society" are a bit "warped".
On the other hand, I will never be caught with bombs and plans to blow up
something or commit murder on one of the by the people elected
representatives... Me thinks all people should be that "warped.."
How about your ADL thugs?
Because in my eyes.. They are terrorists... And that bombing attempt in
CA did fullfill the complete description of terrorism as it is described
and defined after 911.
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
You forgot ADL agitator.
Whle I know nothing of/have never had any contact with ADL, I am not the
1 attempting to incite rebellion, while being supportative of giving
aid/comfort to the "Enemy", as Eastman has, or as in your case,
supporting someone that does, meaning Eastman. .
FUCK you dude... I support the 1st Amendment.. As every PATRIOT of the
USA would.. FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. What exactly do you NOT comprehend in
that statement..
I comprehend the ranting/raveing of a "Fringe Loon/Kook".
NOW you trying to force your will upon peope to shut up by inducting fear
in them because some THUG from a MOB like organisation could "BITE" them
if they use their by the 1st amendment granted right...
Prehaps you need to take your mad's & chill. Getting so excited can have a
detrimental effect on your health.
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Eastman was the 1 that "challenged the ADL. No doubt such an
organization would have a group to check out those that challenge it.
Are you talking about the KKK here, about the MOB? Or what are you
blathering about when you talk about people known to use violence to get
their way, if they can't buy enough people to make the laws they wish in
place?
Who what are you blathering about? I believe you are the 1 that took it upon
yourself to exercise, what you refer to as your 1st ammendments, regarding
Eastman's challenge of ADL?
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
I have often heard it said " Be careful what you ask/wish/pray for" you
may not like it when you get it".
Fear rattles my bones...
So in short, You support a criminal organisation who's objective it is to
take away the 1st amendment rights from citicens of the United states of
America. A short yes as answer is sufficient for admitting that you try
to undermine the Constitution of the United States, if not by law, then
by inducting fear in the population...
Do you feel compelled to "Beat Your Wife" more than once a day? A short "No"
is sufficient to admit that you are not overly abusive of her.
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
--
Hit1Hard
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
--
Hit1Hard
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Dude, Where's My Freedom?
2003-07-18 23:01:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by oldickeastman
Post by This is 1938 Berlin
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Hopefully the "Security Section" of ADL will check up
on you/your activities as a "Potential Threat" to
society, Jewish Society, in particular. Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
If any of them fuck with me, I'll skewer the
motherfuckers.
Things are getting tense in the good ol' USA.
Zionists are the masters of murder and deceit.
I don't give myself more than a month.
And so I have written this -- your my countrymen for men of
========
From: Dick Eastman
Subject: my secrets are out, except this one (rather
important)
my secrets are out, except this one (rather important)
Whenever I go away fear that I may never write another
word. And so I try to say everything that I think needs
saying. The recent death of Brian Quig sets me thinking
about leaving an index of my discoveries and theories, a
list of my proposals for reforming the country to restore
her highest principles of government -- and finally, below
all that, to share the great book idea that I may never get
around to writing.
< snip of preposterous crock of B/S>
Anyone who seeks to stir up/incite trouble should not be
surprised when it "Bites them". This world is full of people
who are not balanced/don't have their act together that see a
conspiracy behind every
word/comment.
So.. Using one's first amendment is a justification for you to
send some thugs to him to "bite him", when it isn't covered in
the hate speech?
Reread what I wrote regardeing him inciteing fringe elements.
You mean the tactical division getting to people with bombs when
the Juridical system has no ways to shut them up because it isn't
hate speech <yet>?
Your statement/allegation, not mine
So what do you think the security section of the ADL does?
Why didn't they call like all lawfull citicens the cops to arrect
that CA senator? Why did they think they were above the law and
executioner at the
same
time?
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
If they want him for sedition, then don't worry, Carnivore has
allready filtered the message, his Name and Adress are in the
Email. Funny thing is that the Juridical system has not taken away
his right to say whatever he wants...
Me thinks the Old Saw," Give someone enough Rope & they will hang
themselves" is aplicaple to Eastman.
Your problem is not what Eastman says, Your problem is that a lot of
people could recognize what Eastman says.
You "forgot" for the 2nd time to reply to the 2 statement below.
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Can I compare that to the NAZI techniques in Old Germany?
Btw. Weren't some of your protectors of society caught with
bombs and plans to protect society from a CA senator?
Me thinks you & Eastman are the 1's claiming to be the
"Protectors of Society". IMHO your ideas of "Protecting Society"
are a bit "warped".
On the other hand, I will never be caught with bombs and plans to
blow up something or commit murder on one of the by the people
elected representatives... Me thinks all people should be that
"warped.."
How about your ADL thugs?
Because in my eyes.. They are terrorists... And that bombing
attempt in CA did fullfill the complete description of terrorism
as it is described and defined after 911.
No reaction? Kinda weird for someone so outspoken for "socurity" and
"Society"...
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
You forgot ADL agitator.
Whle I know nothing of/have never had any contact with ADL, I am
not the 1 attempting to incite rebellion, while being
supportative of giving aid/comfort to the "Enemy", as Eastman
has, or as in your case, supporting someone that does, meaning
Eastman. .
FUCK you dude... I support the 1st Amendment.. As every PATRIOT of
the USA would.. FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. What exactly do you NOT
comprehend in that statement..
I comprehend the ranting/raveing of a "Fringe Loon/Kook".
But you can't comprehend Freedom of Speech.
You do know how to accuse people to be an "Enemy" or to give
aid/support to the enemy.
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
NOW you trying to force your will upon peope to shut up by
inducting fear in them because some THUG from a MOB like
organisation could "BITE" them if they use their by the 1st
amendment granted right...
Prehaps you need to take your mad's & chill. Getting so excited can
have a detrimental effect on your health.
Is that a threat or a promise?
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Eastman was the 1 that "challenged the ADL. No doubt such an
organization would have a group to check out those that
challenge it.
Are you talking about the KKK here, about the MOB? Or what are you
blathering about when you talk about people known to use violence
to get their way, if they can't buy enough people to make the laws
they wish in place?
Who what are you blathering about? I believe you are the 1 that
took it upon yourself to exercise, what you refer to as your 1st
ammendments, regarding Eastman's challenge of ADL?
When someone screams _!!!FIRE!!!_ in a theater, You instantly start
the
stampede
to the exit... NO? That is exactly how Freedom of speech works..
You check for yourself what is claimed by others..
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
I have often heard it said " Be careful what you ask/wish/pray
for" you may not like it when you get it".
Fear rattles my bones...
So in short, You support a criminal organisation who's objective
it is to take away the 1st amendment rights from citicens of the
United states of America. A short yes as answer is sufficient for
admitting that you try to undermine the Constitution of the United
States, if not by law, then by inducting fear in the population...
Do you feel compelled to "Beat Your Wife" more than once a day? A
short "No" is sufficient to admit that you are not overly abusive
of her.
5th. Suck on that one for a while.
Now, you answer my question above, so objective readers can
comparethe answer with what you allready have stated in the rest of
your reply's
about this
subject?
What was that again about enough rope?
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
Post by Ralph Nesbitt
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Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
--
Hit1Hard
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
--
Hit1Hard
When presented with facts and logic Hit 1 Hard goes for the homoerotic
(f)lame.
If you can't argue your point just say so.
Don't make lame ad hom's.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
He sure has you spanked, AlcoholiC...
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it made NEW THOUGHTS occur in my head, which would have never otherwise
occurred." --Full Force Frank
oldickeastman
2003-07-22 15:45:44 UTC
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contents

1) Fisk: Americans fail to disclose all attacks on troops in Iraq

2) Fisk: The Americans talk of criminal and subversive elements but
this is a guerrilla war.

3) Israel says Iran's nuclear ambition a threat to Europe and Russia
requiring immediate military remedy

4) The failure to find weapons of mass destruction can only mean one
of three things

5) Enemies from within: Iran and Saudi Arabia

6) Torture testimony acceptable: British MI5 security service expert
says Britain will admit testimony gained through US torture of
detainees outside the reach of American law at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.
The home secretary says it is up to the men to prove that the
evidence has been obtained under torture but the men are not allowed
to hear the evidence against them.

7) Paul Wolfowitz ...... represents the Likud wing of meshuganah
Israelidom and as such, he's the main belt of transmission for the
Israeli terror-tactic of assassination which has been openly and
shamelessly embraced by George Bush and the Pentagon's Task Force 20,
as part of the Federal government's profound retreat from traditional
American statesmanship.


21 July 2003

Americans fail to disclose all attacks on troops in Iraq
[Premium article fee required]
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/

Faced with ever greater armed resistance to its occupation of Iraq,
the US is admitting only a fraction of the attacks in the country
against its forces, who lost another two soldiers yesterday.

Although the US authorities acknowledge ambushes in which their troops
die - such as the two men of the 101st Airborne Division whose convoy
was ambushed yesterday with rocket-propelled grenade and small arms
fire at Talafar 50 miles from Mosul - they have failed to report a
mass of attacks and assaults against patrols and bases in and around
Baghdad.

At Hurriyah three days ago, a patrol was ambushed by 15 armed men. But
because they suffered no casualties, the incident was not disclosed to
the press. Two days earlier, a bomb described by the Americans as an
"improved explosive device" (IED) - a set of mortar shells tied
together - blew up outside a Baghdad bank, injuring one soldier. That
attack went publicly unrecorded.

A set of security documents prepared by US military authorities, which
has been seen by The Independent, show "IEDs" are becoming one of the
favourite weapons of Iraqi guerrillas, often combined with
rocket-propelled grenades and rifle fire. The documents mention 10
security "incidents" in Baghdad alone during a 48-hour period at the
end of last week.

The Americans know their opponents are manufacturing their bombs in
makeshift "factories" in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq. But US forces
have decided only to report their "victories" - when they seize arms
and mines and detain hundreds of Iraqis. The US civilian
administrator, Paul Bremer, acknowledged there was a continuing
security problem, but contended "most of the country is quiet". He
also said that while the Americans believed Saddam Hussein was still
in Iraq, he was not orchestrating the attacks.

Yesterday's killing of two Americans - another was wounded in the
incident - happened in an area where US forces arrested dozens of
young men the previous week. Talafar was also the scene of the first
uprising against British rule in Iraq 83 years ago. An Iraqi working
for the UN was also killed yesterday when his blue UN vehicle was
ambushed south of Baghdad.

© 2003 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd

2=================================

21 July 2003

The Americans talk of criminal and subversive elements but this is a
guerrilla war. They are not safe anywhere
By Robert Fisk in Baghdad

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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/

In official US military documents, they are called "attackers" or just
plain "Iraqis".

In the press handouts printed by the occupation authorities, they are
- in the grand style of Soviet propaganda during the Afghan war -
"subversive elements".

When Operation Soda Mountain ended on 17 July, the propaganda boys of
the "Coalition Press Information Centre" outdid even the Russians by
boasting that the American raids had "successfully achieved the
objectives of neutralising subversive individuals".

But alas they did not.

For all the talk of detentions and arms finds - Soda Mountain led to
611 arrests and the reported discovery of 4,297 mortar rounds and
1,346 rocket-propelled grenades - the Iraqi guerrilla war against the
United States is becoming increasingly deadly.

On Saturday, for example, a US military map of Baghdad violence showed
10 security "incidents" over the previous 48 hours. They included the
discovery of mortar shells tied together on roads near Baghdad airport
and a mortar round fired at the occupation army at its base inside the
perimeter of the international airport.

They also included the discovery of a dead Iraqi and a wounded man who
had been preparing yet another bomb near the airport, this time made
of an 82mm shell, wire and blasting caps.

A section of a report on 19 July shows just how frequent these
guerrilla attacks have become. "Iqtissadiyin: 19/07 morning. Attack on
CF [coalition forces]," it says. "Three RPG [rocket-propelled
grenades] fired at CF convoy.

"Iqtissadiyin: 18/07 about 00:30. Attack on CF. Small arms fired at CF
from overpass and subsequently from nearby houses ...

"Hurriyah: 18/07 morning. Attacks on CF. Small arms fired at CF
soldier on duty at gas station, four assailants killed when CF
returned fire.

"Ash Shabab: 18/07 morning. Attack against Iraqi civilians. Suspect
fired three shots at Baghdad Hotel; the vehicle used by the assailant
was already spotted while involved into [sic] hostile surveillance of
CF position."

And so on and on. In one 24-hour period, the UN recorded six attacks
across Iraq, including an RPG fired at an American camp near Mosul, an
assault on an Iraqi police station in Muqidiyah, north-east of
Baghdad, a heavy machine- gun fired at US troops during a medical
evacuation near Karbala and a car that tried to ram an American
checkpoint near Qatum.

One of the more disturbing elements of the American reports is the
separation of incidents involving US troops and the violence inflicted
on civilians or Iraqi police.

On the attack at the police station, the gunman is referred to as a
"criminal". Assaults on Americans are described as "significant
incidents" while assaults on Iraqi civilians - during the theft of
their cars, for example - are referred to under the simple heading of
"crime". American lives, the underlying tenor of these reports seems
to be, are more important than innocent Iraqi lives.

Another security report - this time from the UN - records the third
attempt by guerrillas to shoot down an American helicopter near
Karbala with an
anti-aircraft gun. The latest incident occurred only hours after a
ground-to-air missile was fired at an American C-130 military cargo
aircraft at Baghdad airport, an attack that was publicly acknowledged.

Where the gunmen hide so big a weapon as an anti-aircraft gun is not
recorded.

But the message of all this information - most of it unreported by the
media - is that the Americans are no longer safe anywhere in Iraq: not
at Baghdad airport, which they captured with so much fanfare in early
April, not at their military bases, not in the streets of central
Baghdad or in their helicopters or on the country roads. A regular
guerrilla war has broken out in Iraq. And it's getting ever more out
of control.

© 2003 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd


3===========================

Israel says Iran's nuclear ambition a global threat
Reuters
http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/reuters07-21-045544.asp?reg=MIDEAST
BRUSSELS, July 21 - Israel said on Monday Iran was ''trying to do
everything'' to build a nuclear weapon and would pose a threat to the
whole world unless it was stopped. Iran rejected the charge, saying it
viewed weapons of mass destruction as a serious threat to its own
security. It repeated that its nuclear programme was aimed at meeting
the enormous energy demands of its rapidly developing economy.

Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom told reporters in Brussels
after meeting his European Union counterparts that Tehran refused to
accept tougher nuclear inspections and was continuing to enrich
uranium.

''Iran now is trying to do everything to have a nuclear weapon and
that is threatening not only the Middle East, it is threatening
Europe, the southern part of Russia,'' he said. ......

4=======================

The Worst Possible News Yet
7/22/2003 - Political Social - Article Ref: IV0307-2042
Hesham A. Hassaballa, M.D
http://www.iviews.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IV0307-2042

The recent news regarding Iraq is not good. Almost every day another
American soldier is killed. More soldiers, in fact, have been killed
by hostile fire during this war than during Gulf War I. Soldier morale
is taking a nose dive. Every day, more and more doubt is cast on the
intelligence that shaped the decision to go to war with Iraq. The
weapons of mass destruction that Iraq reportedly had have yet to be
found. In fact, the BBC has reported that "very senior sources" in the
British government have virtually ruled out the possibility of ever
finding weapons of mass destruction (WMD). They believe the weapons
were there, but were either hidden or destroyed before the war.

This last piece of news, which did not cause a stir in the U.S., is
the most troubling of all. The failure to find weapons of mass
destruction can only mean one of three things: (1) senior UK officials
were correct; (2) the weapons were never there to begin with; (3) in
the chaos and confusion of the war and its aftermath, some or all of
the weapons that were in existence ended up in the hands of terrorist
groups. .............

5===================================

Enemies from within: Iran and Saudi Arabia
Jul 22, 2003
By Ehsan Ahrari
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EG22Ak03.html
Iran and Saudi Arabia are edging closer to political instability and
even
cataclysmic change. In the case of Iran, the United States prefers a
change
of regime, but not for Saudi Arabia. However, regime change might be
the
eventual outcome in both countries for reasons that are essentially
similar:
the enemies of regimes are inside the borders. But there are also
certain
important aspects of dissimilarity in both Iran and Saudi Arabia.
......

6=========================

Torture testimony 'acceptable'
Expert tells terror appeal hearing that MI5 would use information
obtained
under duress in court
http://www.guardian.co.uk/humanrights/story/0,7369,1003351,00.html
Audrey Gillan
Tuesday July 22, 2003
The Guardian

An MI5 expert in terrorism has admitted that the security service
would use information extracted from tortured prisoners as evidence in
court.

The secret witness told a panel of judges that in spite of knowing
that a victim had been tortured or had come from a country where the
regime sanctioned torture, she would still consider their testimony to
be relevant to security service investigations.

The admissions will add to growing public concern over the detainees
at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, who were questioned by the CIA and by MI5
officers. Critics claim that the government has condoned torture by
the US in its attempts to garner evidence against people it suspects
of having been involved in al-Qaida or the Taliban.

The implication of the testimony has shocked human rights campaigners,
as well as lawyers and the families of those detained. Article three
of the Human Rights Act says "no one shall be subjected to torture or
inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment".

Malcolm Smart, director of the Medical Foundation for the Care of
Victims of Torture, criticised the government for being party to
torture, "either directly or by proxy".

He said: "Information obtained under torture is cheap and dirty
information. British intelligence should regard it with the deepest
suspicion. It is well-established that such information is not
reliable. International law requires that courts reject evidence
gathered by torture as inadmissible. If the intelligence services are
cooperating in this way then they are in effect condoning, even
encouraging, the torturers."

The security service expert, known only as witness A, told a hearing
of the special immigration appeals commission in London: "It doesn't
mean to say that because somebody is tortured that they have provided
information that's not actually true."

Speaking to a panel of three judges who are hearing the appeals of 10
men detained without charge or trial since December 2001, the witness
said: "We would weigh all information carefully, no matter where it
came from, against our other knowledge and sources before we made an
assessment, but it is still, obviously, speaking theoretically,
possible that intelligence provided which may have been obtained in a
way that would not be compatible with somebody's human rights could
still be assessed to be reliable based on existing knowledge or
because we've conducted further investigations on the basis of what
they've told us."

The home secretary believes that the men appealing against detention
are connected to terrorism. They are all asylum seekers or refugees.
The government has said it is holding them because they cannot be
returned to their country of origin as they may be tortured there.

Because the majority of these hearings are held in closed session, it
is unclear how much of the evidence is reliant on that obtained under
duress. Lawyers for the 10 have tried to establish the extent to
which the home secretary is relying on evidence in closed session that
is a result of torture but the government need not reveal this. The
home secretary says it is up to the men to prove that the evidence has
been obtained under torture but the men are not allowed to hear the
evidence against them.

It is understood that testimony has been taken from detainees both at
Bagram air base in Afghanistan and in Guantanamo Bay. Campaigners
allege that torture took place in both.

A US military coroner, Elizabeth Rowse, ruled that two men from
Afghanistan held at a secret CIA interrogation centre at Bagram air
base had been killed under interrogation. She confirmed that the
official cause of death of the two men was "homicide".

A further death at a holding facility near Asadabad is under
investigation.

Witness A said the security service had no concerns about the way the
Americans were gathering evidence that she was aware of. She had not
been aware of any deaths in custody and would be surprised to learn
that people held at Bagram had been tortured.

But US officials have previously admitted using "stress and duress" on
prisoners including sleep deprivation, denial of medication for battle
injuries, and forcing them to stand or kneel for hours on end with
hoods on. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have denounced
this as torture as defined by international treaty.

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003


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Amid the Ruins of Babylon, Paul Wolfowitz Finds "Final Vindication"

(excerpts)


by Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
http://www.hoffman-info.com/news.html

Wolfowitz runs the Pentagon under figurehead Rumsfeld almost solely
due to the electoral
muscle of the American Zionist lobby, and not due to any military
acumen on his part. True, certain American boobs from the misnamed
Bible Belt imagine that the Israelis are great warriors and
strategists, but these same people don't intend on being "left behind"
after the "rupture," so presumably it's not too much of a stretch to
question their lucidity.

Now comes Wolfowitz to Iraq, an "evil empire" he said was bristling
with those weapons of you-know-what. Was Wolfowitz even a mite
penitent or contrite while in Iraq? Did he even mention the fabled
weapons while he was there? Perish the thought! The bigger the con,
the more
necessary it is to brazenly insist that it's not a con. When Nixon
tried this he was laughed off the stage of history. Bush, Wolfowitz
and Rumsfeld are now into their third month of viewing the supposed
apocalyptic landscape of the Saddamites first hand, and finding it
empty of all weapons save those pesky little rocket-propelled grenades
which bedevil our armored SUVs with Vietcong-like persistence.

The Bush regime's Iraq project has unraveled. Yet in true Zionist
fashion, here is Wolfowitz shuffling around the Arabian desert with an
air of "final vindication." Is there any better evidence of the
delusional mentality of your garden variety Zionist than this charade?

Even whackier are the taxpaying, flag-waving psychos footing the $5
billion a month tab for this made-in-the-synagogue "American foreign
policy," even as the government quietly released details the other day
of its intention to drastically curtail the US postal system by
closing post offices and raising already highly inflated postage
rates, as a result of the "budget crunch."

The US government could efficiently chug along for decades if it were
helmed by crafty Machiavellians of the past like Robert S. McNamara,
who told a 1976 Senate investigation committee, "I just can't
understand how it (US government assassinations of Lumumba, Trujillo
and Abdul Karim Kassem) could have happened."

With village idiot Bush appointing clinically insane spokesmen like
Wolfowitz and Lubavitcher cultist Ari Fleischer, the US is as patently
thuggish and ugly as the hideous Ariel Sharon and his government.
McNamara didn't dare admit that US government assassinations were the
deliberate result of high level White House decisions, but last autumn
Ari Fleischer frankly told the nation that war with Iraq could be
avoided at the cost of "one bullet." Here was open US government
incitement to the assassination of head of state Saddam Hussein by the
President's own press secretary.

With crazies like Fleischer at the Washington wheel, the US government
is losing goodwill and influence around the world, while opening a lid
on a retributive Pandora's box brimming with vendetta, state terror
and popular rage. Pandora's door swings both ways, of course. One
can't help noting in the wake of Fleischer's obscene remark, that the
war with Iraq might also have been prevented with a single bullet
aimed at another head of state besides Saddam.

I confess to being an unabashed Wolfowitz fan. Who better to bring
this filthy, rotten System crashing down upon the lodge brothers than
the Wolf of the White House himself, the exalted policy wonk who, in
actuality, is little more than a tribalist of the most primitive and
chauvinistic dye? No American government can long maintain its
prestige and effectiveness when led by a fanatic (the p.c. term is
"activist"), from the fever swamps of Israeli apartheid.

The ruins of Babylon are found not only in Iraq, but on the banks of
the Potomac.

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Who was Dr David Kelly?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4171.htm

Fisk on US's Camp Cropper -- The Ugly Truth
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/


National Commission final conclusion -- 9-11 happened because of
lack of Patriot Act measures at the time of the attack
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25138-2003Jul21.html

Vincent Foster Murder Evidence
http://www.aim.org/

If the US and its only effective ally, the United Kingdom, are indeed
trapped, the strategic implications are even worse than they were in
Indochina.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EG22Ak05.html


California Energy Scam Fraud Traced To White House
http://www.rense.com/general39/oil.htm

US comes up with excuse "Iraqis are habitual liars" to account for
Ba'ath Party loyalists tested with lie detectors showing they are
telling the truth when thye deny knowledge of hidden WMDs and the
crimes against humanity Americans are accusing them of. (See article
above on how US has resorted to torture to exact confessions at
Guantanamo Bay detention-military-trial-and-execution camp.)
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030720-115919-6766r.htm
Everyman
2003-07-06 18:06:22 UTC
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How the Public has Flunked the Eye Test (todays article forwardings)

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"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in
its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no
opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of
people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous
advantages...will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps
without suspecting that the system is inimical to their best
interests." -- Rothschild Brothers of London communiqué to
associates in New York June 25, 1863 during the Civil War where the
Rothschilds "backed" both sides and collected from the defeated
South in the great "liquidation of assets" known as The Reconstruction
-- plundering and degrading "reconstruction" of defeated nations
being nothing new it seems. (Quotation from Aftermath news)


This is how the New York Times began its front-page article on
December 13 describing the U.S. response to Iraqs claims that it had
no chemical, biological or atomic weapons:

"American intelligence agencies have reached a preliminary conclusion
that Iraq's 12,000 page declaration of its weapons program fails to
account for chemical and biological agents missing when inspectors
left Iraq four years ago, American officials and United Nations
diplomats said today. In addition, Iraq's declaration on its nuclear
program, they say, leaves open a host of questions. Among them is why
Iraq was seeking to buy uranium in Africa in recent years."

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Start with the Administrations "investigation" to determine who were
the perpetrators of the 9-11 attack and follow through to the
justification for the conquest of Iraq and you will see that the
American people have flunked the eye test in handing their wallets and
their sons and daughters to the political agents of the billionaires.


http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/03/07/01.html

July 1, 2003

The Attack Has Been Spectacular
by Maureen Farrell

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"The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass
casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations
have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning."-- CIA
Intelligence Report for President Bush, July, 2001 (60 Days Prior to
9/11) http://tinyurl.com/fqw0

"President Bush and his top advisers were informed by the CIA early
last August that terrorists associated with Osama bin Laden had
discussed the possibility of hijacking airplanes." - The Washington
Post, May 16, 2002
http://tinyurl.com/g4yl

"Family members of victims of the terror attacks say the White House
has smothered every attempt to get to the bottom of the outrageous
intelligence failures that took place on its watch."-- Salon.com, June
18, 2003
http://tinyurl.com/fqw9

"If I did anything like this as a policeman, and killed 3,000 people,
with this much evidence against me, I'd spend 100,000 years in jail."
-- former New York City police officer Bruce DeCell, the Nation, June
19, 2003
http://tinyurl.com/fqwf

* * *

On September 11, 2001, when most were too numb to contemplate much of
anything, Newsweek told us what to expect. "As a small army of fire
fighters struggled to put out the flames at the World Trade Center in
New York and at the Pentagon in Washington," Peg Tyre wrote, "federal
law enforcement agencies had already begun marshaling agents, readying
them for what promises to be the largest criminal investigation in the
history of the nation." http://tinyurl.com/eb7m Nearly two years (and
two wars) later, however, this huge investigation hasn't panned out.
Attempts to uncover intelligence failures have been routinely
thwarted; Halliburton has accomplished more in Afghanistan
http://tinyurl.com/fqwq and Iraq http://tinyurl.com/fqwv than Bush's
"dead or alive" doctrine; and sadly, the CIA's "spectacular attack"
pertains not only to the trauma of 9/11, but to subsequent assaults on
Americans' faith and trust.

Regardless how anyone frames it, the White House duped us. From "they
hate us for our freedoms" to "solid evidence" of Al-Qaeda/Iraq
connections, the Administration skirted some issues and manipulated
information on others. In short, Bush Inc. lied and pressured others
to do the same. The game plan succeeded, however, as polls repeatedly
indicated that more than half of all U.S. citizens were consistently
conned into believing Iraq was an immediate threat and that Saddam was
involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. Meanwhile, millions of
well-intentioned souls, unaware of how deeply Bush cronies are lining
their war-profiteering pockets http://tinyurl.com/fqx1, still trust
promises of Iraq's "liberation" -- even if hourly ambushes on US
soldiers http://tinyurl.com/fqxb suggest Iraqis aren't exactly dancing
in the streets.

Nicholas Kristof, fresh from a trip to Iraq, told NPR's Terry Gross
that women and Christians are especially vulnerable now that Iraq's
Islamic fundamentalists "are winning" http://tinyurl.com/fqxd, while
Canada's Globe and Mail reported that Iraq's children are in even
greater peril -- with Iraq's child mortality rate, already
astronomical after 12 years of sanctions, possibly "even higher since
Saddam Hussein's regime fell and the United States took over governing
the country." http://tinyurl.com/fqxh Given the circumstances, Iraqi
rage, and the subsequent attacks, should have been foreseen. "It was
predictable," Iraqi political scientist Saad al-Jawwad told the
Guardian. "To any man or any woman or anybody who's living in despair
what could he do? He has nothing left but to carry arms and defy the
people who are here occupying his country and doing nothing for him or
his family. Where is democracy? Nonexistent. Where is stability?
Nonexistent. Where's electricity? Where's water?''
http://tinyurl.com/fqxk

The attack has been spectacular, hasn't it?

Despite ample evidence that Bush misled the nation into a pre-planned
war (and denounced anyone who tried to paint a realistic portrait of
the aftermath), sets of razor-sharp teeth that bared for the slightest
Clinton transgression have rescinded, and assorted bootlickers are now
busily concocting doozies to cushion the Deceiver in Chief from blame.
"Bush's reasons for invading Iraq seem to contradict reality," the
Philadelphia Inquirer's Dick Polman recently wrote. "But if those
claims do prove false, he won't be the first U.S. leader who has
skewed evidence." If those claimsprove false? <insert eye roll here.>

Polman's "thank you, sir, may I have another?" tone notwithstanding,
he chronicles a few of Bush's more blatant lies, including the
president's Sept. 7, 2002 assertion that "Iraq was 'six months away'
from building a nuclear weapon" ("I don't know what more evidence we
need," Bush said, citing a report that was apparently drafted in
Brigadoon); his Oct. 7 charge that Iraq was planning "missions
targeting the United States" via unmanned aerial vehicles (an
impossibility, given the UAVs' limited range); the infamous State of
the Union address in which Bush claimed Iraq was attempting to
purchase uranium from Niger (though the CIA had long since told
Cheney's office the documents containing this information were
forged); and Bush's assertion that Iraq was trying to buy
"high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production"
(also discredited beforehand). http://tinyurl.com/fqxw Polman missed
several other fibs, however, including one of the most creative --
that American soldiers had found Iraq's weather balloons of mass
destruction. http://tinyurl.com/fqy0

The attack has been spectacular, hasn't it?

Nonetheless, Senators Jim Jeffords and Robert Byrd were among those
who detected Bush's dissembling early on. "I am very disturbed by
President Bush's determination that the threat from Iraq is so severe
and so immediate that we must rush to a military solution. I do not
see it that way," Jeffords said in October, 2002.
http://tinyurl.com/fqy5 "We are rushing into war without fully
discussing why, without thoroughly considering the consequences, or
without making any attempt to explore what steps we might take to
avert conflict," Byrd warned. http://tinyurl.com/1u7e

But they, like other conscientious patriots, were up against a rising
tide of coercion. Jeffords was subjected to frequent briefings by
Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, President Bush and other top officials;
Dick Cheney breathed down CIA necks http://tinyurl.com/fqyj; and the
White House reportedly pressured a State Department chemical and
biological weapons expert to "tailor his analysis on Iraq and other
matters to conform with the Bush administration's views."
http://tinyurl.com/f7kk General Wesley Clark was also encouraged to
engage, sans evidence, in Sept. 11 spin. "I got a call on 9/11," Clark
told Tim Russert "I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying,
'You got to say this is connected. . . This has to be connected
to Saddam Hussein.'" http://tinyurl.com/fqyl

The attack has been spectacular, hasn't it?

This assault didn't come solely from the White House, however. Last
December, the Guardian's Brian Whitaker wrote an article on "how the
American media [were] softening up public attitudes to war with Iraq,"
detailing ways the Washington Post, Reuters and most specifically, the
New York Times' Judith Miller, spread disinformation.
http://tinyurl.com/3l4f Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern credited
Miller's legendary aluminum tubes scoop with providing the impetus for
war -- just as the bogus "babies in incubators" story
http://tinyurl.com/fqyt convinced the Senate to vote for war in 1991
"[The administration] looked around after Labor Day and said, "OK, if
we're going to have this war, we really need to persuade Congress to
vote for it," McGovern told William Rivers Pitt.
http://tinyurl.com/fqyw Saying that the Bush administration realized
that the hyped al Qaeda-Iraq connection would best resonate with
traumatized Americans, this 27 year CIA veteran also concluded that,
without reliable evidence, the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency
would never "come around" to the administration's view and would
"undercut" Bush's agenda. So the administration, McGovern surmised,
said, "What have we got? We've got those aluminum tubes!"

Though Daniel Ellsberg implored government insiders to expose Bush's
lies http://tinyurl.com/fqz1 and Scott Ritter tried to shed light on
WMD deceit, they, like "old Europe," were vilified as a chorus of
pundits targeted anyone who tried to tell the truth. "Americans
broadly agree on two facts about the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq,"
Daniel Pipes wrote, "its brutality and the danger it poses to
themselves, especially the danger of nuclear attack." While few
doubted Saddam's cruelty, those who didn't blindly accept mushroom
cloud propaganda were smeared on Pipes' tattle tale Web site.
http://tinyurl.com/fqz6 But like the FBI supervisor who thwarted field
agents' attempts to search Zacarias Moussaoui's computer and was later
handed the "Presidential Rank of Meritorious Service" award,
http://tinyurl.com/fqzc Pipes was nominated by President Bush to the
board of directors of the United States Institute of Peace.

The attack has been spectacular, hasn't it?

If these incidents weren't sufficiently alarming, the Veteran
Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (of which Ray McGovern is a
member) speculate that WMDs might be planted in Iraq
http://tinyurl.com/aer2. Bush apologist Andrew Sullivan is holding
out, however, hinting that two criticisms of the Bush administration's
"exaggerations" (i.e. those concerning Iraq's nuclear capabilities and
Saddam/Al Qaeda ties) may be premature. "I think we'll soon know more
about both arguments," he added. Others believe we'll know more, too
-- most likely in time for the 2004 election. http://tinyurl.com/fqzm

But even if WMDs aren't found (or planted), the Inquirer's Dick Polman
assures that "Americans might overlook Bush's claims because the war
in Iraq was brief and had few U.S. casualties." As a matter of course,
Polman also compares George Bush's lies to Bill Clinton's, as if
saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" is somehow
comparable to spilling both blood and treasure. Given that thousands
of Iraqis and more than 200 Americans have already lost their lives
(even as US soldiers are ambushed and murdered daily) and that the
illegal occupation of Iraq is expected to last somewhere between 5 and
60 years, weighing the consequential trauma of Monica's soiled blue
dress against the long-term consequences of Bush Doctrine-related
fabrications is like wondering if Martha Stewart is as criminally
diabolical as John Wayne Gacy.

With uranium sickness http://tinyurl.com/fqzq already a factor and
depressed soldiers aching to go home, the number of people who will
inevitably suffer from Bush's lies outweighs Clinton's victims on a
scale of hundreds of thousands to one. "I've been in the Gulf for five
months and I'm tired of all of this," one American soldier told the
BBC. "We have become a
target now." http://tinyurl.com/fqzu

The attack has been spectacular, hasn't it?

The families of September 11 victims certainly don't appreciate Bush's
duplicity and callous opportunism, either. "We've been fighting for
nearly 21 months -- fighting the administration, the White House,"
Monica Gabrielle, whose husband Richard was killed in the World Trade
Center, told Salon. "As soon as we started looking for answers we were
blocked, put off and ignored at every stop of the way." Admitting that
she is "disgusted" that Bush is "[using] Sept. 11 and its victims to
justify his agenda," Gabrielle echoed the concerns of Kristin
Breitweiser, whose husband Ronald was also killed at the World Trade
Center. "I sat and listened to the State of the Union speech when Bush
mentioned 9/11 12 or 13 times," she said. "At the same time, we were
having trouble getting funding for the independent commission."

Despite Dick Cheney's request that the Sept. 11 investigation be
limited, the House and Senate's bipartisan joint inquiry's findings
were, as the New York Times reported, "far more damaging" than
expected and Bush may evoke executive privilege to keep the
information under wraps. http://tinyurl.com/fr03 "Bush has done
everything in his power to squelch [the September 11] commission and
prevent it from happening," one anonymous 911 advocate told Salon.
"The Administration, and most politicians, really don't want to get to
the bottom of it, because they're all implicated in some way, in too
many different areas, for too many years," former New York City cop
told Bruce DeCell the Nation. But Newsweek explained the Bush strategy
most succinctly: "Even as White House political aides plot a 2004
campaign plan designed to capitalize on the emotions and issues raised
by the September 11 terror attacks," Michael Isikoff and Mark
Hosenball wrote, "administration officials are waging a
behind-the-scenes battle to restrict public disclosure of key events
relating to the attacks."
http://tinyurl.com/fr07

The attack has been spectacular, hasn't it?

And so, the most devastating event in recent American history, while
serving as a GOP political prop, receives less attention than the Laci
Peterson case. The New York Times completely ignored the September 11
commission's latest hearings, while Breitwesier has been booked, and
then un-booked, on TV several times. "I'm very disappointed in the
press," she told Salon. "I think it's disgusting the independent
commission is doing the most important work for this nation and it's
not even reported in the New York Times or on the nightly news. I've
been scheduled to go on Meet the Press and Hardball so many times and
I'm always canceled. Frankly I'd like nothing better than to go head
to head with Dick Cheney on Meet the Press. Because somebody needs to
ask the questions and I don't understand why nobody is."

Amazingly, the American public, who expected the government to
investigate everything from the Titanic disaster to Pearl Harbor,
doesn't seem to mind -- and the cascade of events that would have
rocked our more scrupulous ancestors are met with disinterest. Never
mind the manner in which our president was selected (or the
questionable help he received along the way http://tinyurl.com/fr0b
http://tinyurl.com/fr0h), in the past two years, the government and
media have habitually deceived us; our fears and emotions have been
manipulated; investigations into Dick Cheney's Energy Task Force and
9/11 have been stonewalled; bunker governments and secret arrests have
barely raised eyebrows; the country is "dangerously unprepared" to
handle another terrorist attack; and future elections may, like the
last one, be rigged http://tinyurl.com/f90s. Yet public outcry is
reserved for whether Ruben or Clay won "American Idol."

This apathy is baffling, given that U.S. citizens have never been
comfortable with deceit, war profiteering or blatant political
posturing. In this topsy-turvy world, Truth has gone AWOL, Justice is
secretly detained and the American Way has lost its way. The entire
country appears to be in the throes of cognitive dissonance, with
long-held beliefs about our national character challenged by facts
we'd rather ignore. "The United States, as the world knows, will never
start a war," John F. Kennedy promised in a galaxy far, far away. And
though we just waged our first full-scale preemptive war on "cooked
intelligence" and assorted lies, Americans are already poised for the
next preemptive war -- Sept. 11 families and U.S. soldiers be damned.

"I don't want to see a single war millionaire created in the United
States as a result of this world disaster," Franklin D. Roosevelt
warned as WWII loomed. Yet presidential grandfather Prescott Bush
forged lucrative alliances with the Nazis anyway
http://tinyurl.com/fr0u -- and war profiteering remains a Bush family
tradition. http://tinyurl.com/fr0z Does the public realize this? Do
they care? "When Kennedy got his highest rating after the debacle of
the Bay of Pigs," Gore Vidal wrote, "he observed, characteristically:
'It would seem that the worse you fu*k up in this job the more popular
you get.'" Perhaps that explains Bush's approval ratings? They
certainly don't make sense otherwise. But then again, few things do.
In many ways, tangible and not, this country isn't recognizable
anymore. Take a look around. The CIA was right. The attack has been
spectacular indeed.

Maureen Farrell is a writer and media consultant who specializes in
helping other writers get television and radio exposure.
© Copyright 2003, Maureen Farrell

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Other news:

U.S. underestimated the Iraqi will
http://www.gulfnews.com/Articles/Opinion.asp?ArticleID=91927

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The Defence Department, with Donald Rumsfeld at the helm, has expanded
its clout within the US government, reaching into realms such as
foreign policy and intelligence usually handled by other agencies.
Defence analysts said world events starting with the September 11,
attacks on the United States, and then wars in Afghanistan and Iraq,
have contributed to this bolstered sway.
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html

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90% of the heroin in Britain comes from "Northern Alliance"
Afghanistan opium processed through China now that the anti-opium
Taliban government has been crushed
http://www.sundayherald.com/35084

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Turkish leader Tayyip Erdogan will speak to Vice President Dick Cheney
on Sunday about Turkish soldiers seized by U.S. forces in Iraq and
hopes the incident will not inflame tensions between the NATO allies.
http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3042649

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Government Backers, Islamists Win Kuwait Poll
http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/reuters07-06-000637.asp?reg=MIDEAST

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Kuwaiti Women Hold Mock Election
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Blair: BBC Must Pay For Its Attack On My Integrity
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/07/06/nbeeb06.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/07/06/ixportaltop.html

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The Government has maintained that it presented the second dossier in
a different way from the first. But it was passed on to Colin Powell,
the US Secretary of State, and the timing of it, in the run-up to the
war, was crucial. ... The current inquiry is likely to censure
Campbell and the Government about the plagiarised material in the
second dossier. But Campbell and Straw have apologised about that
anyway, and the Government can say that apart from that transgression
everything else is fine. ... Surely the only way is to let the
United Nations inspection teams go back to Iraq and continue their
work. They have the experience and expertise to do so. The Americans
may say that it is not secure for them to do so because of the current
state of violence in the country. But after all, the Iraq Survey
Teams, organised by the US and Britain to try to discover WMD, are
operating in Iraq, and similar protection can be offered to UN teams.
It also seems unlikely that anti-American Iraqi factions on the ground
will attack UN personnel.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=422103

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Israeli Cabinet Approves Palestinain Prisoner Release
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/314691.html

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Japan Resumes Imperialism (in Iraq) After 58 Years of Gleaming Sanity
("The gwdevil made us do it.")
http://www.asahi.com/english/politics/K2003070600371.html

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Latest Bombing Is Aimed at Iraqis Working With U.S.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/06/international/worldspecial/06IRAQ.html?ex=1058451077&ei=1&en=6cbb84bd3462433b


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It's become a patriotic act to oppose the Patriot Act.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/129419_aclued.html

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Neturei Karta - Jews United Against Zionism
http://www.netureikarta.org/

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Death in Iraq is a daily event for American troops as they are
increasingly vulnerable to ambushes and attacks in an atmosphere that
is terribly hostile and bound to get worse.
http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/gallagher122.html

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There's little sign, however, that the administration knows what it
will take to win peace. U.S. officials in Iraq, including Army
officers, reportedly want an additional 50,000 troops to quell
troubles, but the White House is reluctant.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/129573_escalated.html

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U.S. allies and interests. Ironically, the U.S. may be financing a
military showdown with Communist China, since U.S. consumer purchases
pump billions of dollars into the Chinese economy, which, in turn,
pays for China's increasingly sophisticated military machine.
http://www.inatoday.com/potential.htm

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America is the rogue nation and humanitarianism is the least of our
considerations. Of course they're mistaken about who benefits because
the ruling elite benefits the most - but the vast majority of
Americans will be doing the sacrificing by fighting their wars which
is necessary to continue to project our global dominance.
-- Hank Roth
http://pnews.org

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On the cheap: Despite months of denials by Geoff Hoon, the Defence
Secretary, senior Army
officers have finally admitted that British troops were forced to take
part in combat operations in Iraq without the correct weapons, body
armour and clothing.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/07/06/nkit06.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/07/06/ixhome.html

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The United States will beam a Farsi-language television news programme
into Iran tonight, the latest in the propaganda war to create
discontent among an alienated younger generation.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,992328,00.html

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Confess or die, US tells Guantanamo Britons
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,992467,00.html

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Here is point-by-point coverage of ex-cabinet ministers Robin Cook and
Clare Short's evidence to the Commons foreign affairs select committee
about the Iraq war.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2996366.stm

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The coalition fears that Iraqi guerillas will keep fighting until the
tyrant is proved dead
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/07/06/wirq106.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/07/06/ixnewstop.html

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Note: For many years I have been convinced that Rep. Waxman was a
communist and a traitor and an evil accomplice to all that Clinton
obviously was -- yet I can also plainly see that right now he is
one of the few people in Congress who has been saying the right thing
forcefully. I won't try to figure that out. Here is a very important
letter that Waxman sent to Bush before the invasion of Iraq. --DE



March 17, 2003



The President
The White House
Washington, DC 20500

Dear Mr. President:

I am writing regarding a matter of grave concern. Upon your order,
our armed forces will soon initiate the first preemptive war in our
nation's history. The most persuasive justification for this war is
that we must act to prevent Iraq from developing nuclear weapons.

In the last ten days, however, it has become incontrovertibly clear
that a key piece of evidence you and other Administration officials
have cited regarding Iraq's efforts to obtain nuclear weapons is a
hoax. What's more, the Central Intelligence Agency questioned the
veracity of the evidence at the same time you and other Administration
officials were citing it in public statements. This is a breach of
the highest order, and the American people are entitled to know how it
happened.

As you know, I voted for the congressional resolution condemning Iraq
and authorizing the use of force. Despite serious misgivings, I
supported the resolution because I believed congressional approval
would significantly improve the likelihood of effective U.N. action.
Equally important, I believed that you had access to reliable
intelligence information that merited deference.

Like many other members, I was particularly influenced by your views
about Iraq's nuclear intentions. Although chemical and biological
weapons can inflict casualties, no argument for attacking Iraq is as
compelling as the possibility of Saddam Hussein brandishing nuclear
bombs. That, obviously, is why the evidence in this area is so
crucial, and why so many have looked to you for honest and credible
information on Iraq's nuclear capability.


The evidence in question is correspondence that indicates that Iraq
sought to obtain nuclear material from an African country, Niger. For
several months, this evidence has been a central part of the U.S. case
against Iraq. On December 19, the State Department filed a response
to Iraq's disarmament declaration to the U.N. Security Council. The
State Department response stated: "The Declaration ignores efforts to
procure uranium from Niger." A month later, in your State of the
Union address, you stated: "The British government has learned that
Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from
Africa." Defense Secretary Rumsfeld subsequently cited the evidence
in briefing reporters.

It has now been conceded that this evidence was a forgery. On March
7, the Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency,
Mohamed ElBaradei, reported that the evidence that Iraq sought nuclear
materials from Niger was "not authentic." As subsequent media
accounts indicated, the evidence contained "crude errors," such as a
"childlike signature" and the use of stationary from a military
government in Niger that has been out of power for over a decade.

Even more troubling, however, the CIA, which has been aware of this
information since 2001, has never regarded the evidence as reliable.
The implications of this fact are profound: it means that a key part
of the case you have been building against Iraq is evidence that your
own intelligence experts at the Central Intelligence Agency do not
believe is credible.

It is hard to imagine how this situation could have developed. The
two most obvious explanations — knowing deception or unfathomable
incompetence — both have immediate and serious implications. It is
thus imperative that you address this matter without delay and provide
an alternative explanation, if there is one.

The rest of this letter will explain my concerns in detail.



Use of the Evidence by U.S. Officials



The evidence that Iraq sought to purchase uranium from an African
country was first revealed by the British government on September 24,
2002, when Prime Minister Tony Blair released a 50-page report on
Iraqi efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction. As the New York
Times reported in a front-page article, one of the two "chief new
elements" in the report was the claim that Iraq had "sought to acquire
uranium in Africa that could be used to make nuclear weapons." [1]


This evidence subsequently became a significant part of the U.S. case
against Iraq. On December 7, Iraq filed its weapons declaration with
the United Nations Security Council. The U.S. response relied heavily
on the evidence that Iraq had sought to obtain uranium from Africa.
For example, this is how the New York Times began its front-page
article on December 13 describing the U.S. response:





American intelligence agencies have reached a preliminary conclusion
that Iraq's 12,000 page declaration of its weapons program fails to
account for chemical and biological agents missing when inspectors
left Iraq four years ago, American officials and United Nations
diplomats said today.
In addition, Iraq's declaration on its nuclear program, they say,
leaves open a host of questions. Among them is why Iraq was seeking
to buy uranium in Africa in recent years. [2]





The official U.S. response was provided on December 19, when Secretary
of State Colin Powell appeared before the Security Council. As the
Los Angeles Times reported, "A one-page State Department fact sheet .
. . lists what Washington considers the key omissions and deceptions
in Baghdad's Dec. 7 weapons declaration." [3] One of the eight "key
omissions and deceptions" was the failure to explain Iraq's attempts
to purchase uranium from an African country.
Specifically, the State Department fact sheet contains the following
points under the heading "Nuclear Weapons": "The Declaration ignores
efforts to procure uranium from Niger. Why is the Iraqi regime hiding
their uranium procurement?" A copy of this fact sheet is enclosed
with this letter.
The Iraqi efforts to obtain uranium from Africa were deemed
significant enough to be included in your State of the Union address
to Congress. You stated: "The British government has learned that
Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from
Africa." [4] As the Washington Post reported the next day, "the
president seemed quite specific as he ticked off the allegations last
night, including the news that Iraq had secured uranium from Africa
for the purpose of making nuclear bombs." [5]


A day later, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told reporters at a
news briefing that Iraq "recently was discovered seeking significant
quantities of uranium from Africa." [6]



Knowledge of the Unreliability of the Evidence
The world first learned that the evidence linking Iraq to attempts to
purchase uranium from Africa was forged from the Director General of
the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Mohamed ElBaradei. On
March 7, Director ElBaradei reported to the U.N. Security Council:



Based on thorough analysis, the IAEA has concluded, with the
concurrence of outside experts, that these documents — which formed
the basis for reports of recent uranium transactions between Iraq and
Niger — are in fact not authentic. We have therefore concluded that
these specific allegations are unfounded. [7]



Recent accounts in the news media have provided additional details.
According to the Washington Post, the faked evidence included "a
series of letters between Iraqi agents and officials in the central
African nation of Niger." [8] The article stated that the forgers
"made relatively crude errors that eventually gave them away —
including names and titles that did not match up with the individuals
who held office at the time the letters were purportedly written." [9]
CNN reported:


one of the documents purports to be a letter signed by Tandjia
Mamadou, the president of Niger, talking about the uranium deal with
Iraq. On it [is] a childlike signature that is clearly not his.
Another, written on paper from a 1980s military government in Niger,
bears the date of October 2000 and the signature of a man who by then
had not been foreign minister of Niger for 14 years. [10]



U.S. intelligence officials had doubts about the veracity of the
evidence long before Director ElBaradei's report. The Los Angeles
Times reported on March 15 that "the CIA first heard allegations that
Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger in late 2001" when "the existence
of the documents was reported to [the CIA] second- or third-hand."
The Los Angeles Times quotes one CIA official as saying: "We included
that in some of our reporting, although it was all caveated because we
had concerns about the accuracy of that information." [11] The
Washington Post reported on March 13: "The CIA . . . had questions
about ‘whether they were accurate,' said one intelligence official,
and it decided not to include them in its file on Iraq's program to
procure weapons of mass destruction." [12]
There have been suggestions by some Administration officials that
there may be other evidence besides the forged documents that shows
Iraq tried to obtain uranium from an African country. For instance,
CIA officials recently stated that "U.S. concerns regarding a possible
uranium agreement between Niger and Iraq were not based solely on the
documents which are now known to be fraudulent." The CIA provided
this other information to the IAEA along with the forged documents.
After reviewing this complete body of evidence, the IAEA stated: "we
have found to date no evidence or plausible indication of the revival
of a nuclear weapons programme in Iraq." [13] Ultimately, the IAEA
concluded that "these specific allegations are unfounded." [14]
Questions
These facts raise troubling questions. It appears that at the same
time that you, Secretary Rumsfeld, and State Department officials were
citing Iraq's efforts to obtain uranium from Africa as a crucial part
of the case against Iraq, U.S. intelligence officials regarded this
very same evidence as unreliable. If true, this is deeply disturbing:
it would mean that your Administration asked the U.N. Security
Council, the Congress, and the American people to rely on information
that your own experts knew was not credible.
Your statement to Congress during the State of the Union, in
particular, raises a host of questions. The statement is worded in a
way that suggests it was carefully crafted to be both literally true
and deliberately misleading at the same time. The statement itself —
"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently
sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa" — may be
technically accurate, since this appears to be the British position.
But given what the CIA knew at the time, the implication you intended
— that there was credible evidence that Iraq sought uranium from
Africa — was simply false.
To date, the White House has avoided explaining why the Administration
relied on this forged evidence in building its case against Iraq. The
first Administration response, which was provided to the Washington
Post, was "we fell for it." [15] But this is no longer credible in
light of the information from the CIA. Your spokesman, Ari Fleischer,
was asked about this issue at a White House news briefing on March 14,
but as the following transcript reveals, he claimed ignorance and
avoided the question:


Q: Ari, as the president said in his State of the Union address, the
British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought
significant quantities of uranium from Africa. And since then, the
IAEA said that those were forged documents —

Mr. Fleischer: I'm sorry, whose statement was that?
Q: The President, in his State of the Union address. Since then, the
IAEA has said those were forged documents. Was the administration
aware of any doubts about these documents, the authenticity of the
documents, from any government agency or department before it was
submitted to the IAEA?

Mr. Fleisher: These are matters that are always reviewed with an eye
toward the various information that comes in and is analyzed by a
variety of different people. The President's concerns about Iraq come
from multiple places, involving multiple threats that Iraq can
possess, and these are matters that remain discussed.
Thank you [end of briefing]. [16]



Plainly, more explanation is needed. I urge you to provide to me and
to the relevant committees of Congress a full accounting of what you
knew about the reliability of the evidence linking Iraq to uranium in
Africa, when you knew this, and why you and senior officials in the
Administration presented the evidence to the U.N. Security Council,
the Congress, and the American people without disclosing the doubts of
the CIA. In particular, I urge you to address:

Whether CIA officials communicated their doubts about the credibility
of the forged evidence to other Administration officials, including
officials in the Department of State, the Department of Defense, the
National Security Council, and the White House;


Whether the CIA had any input into the "Fact Sheet" distributed by the
State Department on December 19, 2002; and



Whether the CIA reviewed your statement in the State of the Union
address regarding Iraq's attempts to obtain uranium from Africa and,
if so, what the CIA said about the statement.

Given the urgency of the situation, I would appreciate an expeditious
response to these questions.
Sincerely,
Henry A. Waxman
Ranking Minority Member

Enclosure



[1] Blair Says Iraqis Could Launch Chemical Warheads in Minutes, New
York Times (Sept. 25, 2002).

[2] Threats and Responses: Report by Iraq, Iraq Arms Report Has Big
Omissions, U.S. Officials Say, New York Times (Dec. 13, 2002)
(emphasis added).

[3] U.S. Issues a List of the Shortcomings in Iraqi Arms Declaration,
Los Angeles Times (Dec. 20, 2002) (emphasis added).

[4] The President, State of the Union Address (Jan. 28, 2003) (online
at www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html)
(emphasis added).

[5] A War Cry Tempered by Eloquence, Washington Post (Jan. 29, 2003).

[6] Press Conference with Donald Rumsfeld, General Richard Myers,
Cable News Network (Jan. 29, 2003) (emphasis added).

[7] IAEA Director General Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, The Status of Nuclear
Inspections in Iraq: An Update (Mar. 7, 2002) (online at
www.iaea.org/worldatom/Press/Statements/ 2003/ebsp2003n006.shtml).

[8] Some Evidence on Iraq Called Fake; U.N. Nuclear Inspector Says
Documents on Purchases Were Forged, Washington Post (Mar. 8, 2003).

[9] Id.

[10] U.N. Saying Documents Were Faked, CNN American Morning with Paula
Zahn (Mar. 14, 2003).

[11] Italy May Have Been Misled by Fake Iraq Arms Papers, U.S. Says,
Los Angeles Times (Mar. 15, 2003).

[12] FBI Probes Fake Evidence of Iraqi Nuclear Plans, Washington Post
(Mar. 13, 2003).

[13] IAEA Director General Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, supra note 7
(emphasis added).

[14] Id. (emphasis added).

[15] Some Evidence on Iraq Called Fake, supra note 8.

[16] The White House, Press Briefing by Ari Fleischer (Mar. 14, 2003)
(online at www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030314-12.html)
(emphasis added).


http://www.house.gov/waxman/text/admin_iraq_march_17_let.htm

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9-11-01 was a Mass-Murder Frameup to Create a Politically Acceptable
Reason for Anglo-American Deviant Elite Global Tyranny. Here is the
Pentagon Attack crime evidence organized for World Court prosecution:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/
(20 evidence presentations)

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/

http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm
http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html
http://www.koolpages.com/killtown/flight77.html

http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/messenger.html
http://www.truthout.org
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero14/missile/temoins_en.htm

http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html

http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com
http://www.antiwar.com

http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/
http://www.911timeline.net/

http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm

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1. Call for all loyal opposition parties to form a temporary
coalition Union of National Parties Against Corruption representing
the entire country to defeat CFR Bi-Partisanship Crime Syndicate

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dick_eastman_populism/message/28




2. no political reform without prior liberating reform of the inner
man (complete in one lesson)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dick_eastman_populism/message/29
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